Searching for a conspiracy/ Iraq blasts (MERGED)

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"i hope there is some third party that is doing this, perhaps the americans to divide us.. so atleast the blame doesnt fall on those who will support this. so atleast those who support this will also be victims of duplicity.. and thus.. in some way.. less reprehensible."

The whole issue of Occams razor is not meant to be a classroom discussion, but one to address statements such as the one above. Wild conjecture and wild conspiracy theories are a way of life in some cultures. It is a way of denying the obvious, and justifying misplaced hate. I can't believe that one who is obviously educated, such as yourself, falls into such traps as looking for scapegoats.

People are killing your people. It is time to wash away cheap excuses, and look reality in the face.

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*Originally posted by humhaipakistani: *

**i dunno if you've have heard of the anti-revolution org. called MKO ( mujahideen kalq). The MKO was pretty active in killing innocnt shias before and during the revolution. After the iranian revolution came about, the members were pursued so they all went in to hiding, a majority fled to Iraq where they had alot of support from saddam's baathist regime.

when the americans took over, Iran demanded america to hand over the members of the org., but i dont believe the dmands were met. however, their weapons were taken from them (one of the conditions to not handing them over) and they were taken off from US list of terrorist org. (america held them responsible for an attack on US diplomats/ officials tht occured in iran before the rev.**
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Interesting, and all quite true.

But there is a glaring contradiction that no American has yet been able to answer at all. The American's say Al Qaida is anti-Shia, yet at the same time they claim that Shia Iran has links to Al Qaida as well, and they end up arresting Iranian nationals for these attacks on the Iraqi Shias. One contradiction after another.

Only the American occupiers benefit from dividing the Iraqi people, along sectarian lines, because they fear the power of the Shia majority in a trully democratic setup in Iraq. The Iraqi Shias are well aware of that, and that is why they are blaming the American's and have retaliated against the Sunni's of Iraq.

Mark my words before long the Shias of Iraq will rise up against the American military occupiers, after they exhaust all political channels, and if they conclude thet they will be deprived of real power.

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Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
"i hope there is some third party that is doing this, **perhaps the americans to divide us*.. so atleast the blame doesnt fall on those who will support this. so atleast those who support this will also be victims of duplicity.. and thus.. in some way.. less reprehensible."

The whole issue of Occams razor is not meant to be a classroom discussion, but one to address statements such as the one above. Wild conjecture and wild conspiracy theories are a way of life in some cultures. It is a way of denying the obvious, and justifying misplaced hate. I can't believe that one who is obviously educated, such as yourself, falls into such traps as looking for scapegoats.

People are killing your people. It is time to wash away cheap excuses, and look reality in the face.
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The whole issue of Occams razor is not meant to be a classroom discussion

Ouch. So yeah maybe I can be pedantic at times :) but Im just preparing to be a Uni professor 20 years later. have to begin early.

once again, im not looking for scapegoats, but im not believing any goat-seller either.

whereas we have our issues with hate, and if you looked at all at the religion forum lately, you would know that we thresh out hate-issues like the best of em, your country has had its issues with concealing/revealing the truth for their own purposes, as has had almost every other one. Should my country be in your position, and i was someone else, i wouldnt completely trust Pakistani govt to be telling the truth either.

so ask my opinion, here it is a random early morning, just-woke-up rambling. altruistic reasons for Iraq are bunk. the occupiers went in for their own reasons. to my mind, that reduces them to the level of people willing to kill thousands for their selfish reasons (which do not include self defence). thus to my mind, AQ is as credible a source as them.

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divide and conquer?

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*Originally posted by little human: *
divide and conquer?
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What else.

No American will ever be able to explain how they think Al Qaida is killing Shias in Iraq, yet Shia Iran is helping Al Qaida at the same time.

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malik, everyone knows that 'contradiction' is americas middle name. nothing new there.

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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Mark my words before long the Shias of Iraq will rise up against the American military occupiers, after they exhaust all political channels, and if they conclude thet they will be deprived of real power.
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a revolution in iraq is americas biggest fear. one iran is hard enough to handle, but two? and that too neighbours to eacother. well there'd go their pipe dream eh. and it wouldnt be surprising if they begged saddam to come back, afterall when the shia uprising occured back during the gulf war, atleast 2/3 of iraq had gone out of saddams hands. when america saw wat was happening, weapons and helicopters were immediately provided to saddam, then take a wild guess what he did with his gifts.

do they wonder then why they're not seen as liberators?

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*Originally posted by humhaipakistani: *

and it wouldnt be surprising if they begged saddam to come back, afterall when the shia uprising occured back during the gulf war, atleast 2/3 of iraq had gone out of saddams hands. when america saw wat was happening, weapons and helicopters were immediately provided to saddam, then take a wild guess what he did with his gifts.
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That's what the Shia's have never forgotten, and they also remember how the British and then later the American's supported one dictator after another who suppressed them.

The American's are terrified of the power of the Shia-majority like all colonialists have been throughout the 20 century, and they will put up any constititional or legal block to stop actual democracy in Iraq. But the Shias led by Ayatollah Sistani, who can probably bring millions onto the streets in one call, are aware of all this and will play it very cleverly for now. The time will come, and then they will seize what is rightfully theirs. :)

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*Originally posted by little human: *
divide and conquer?
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Yes, by al qaeda. They want a civil war between sunnis and shias in iraq as in pakistan. To make the US and musharraf look like they have failed.

It is an age old tactic of this fasadi group, known by different names over time.