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Imdad Ali, you must have had a BT from Osama. The last I heard they have several Shia's held at gitmo.
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What's a BT? I'm just repeasting qaeda's own letters and known info on wahabi view of shias
Would you like to share those letters here from Al-kayda. You seem like a man keeping a track of them, and forget about BT you don’t need one you are way ahead of that.
Or just maybe I am keen observor of facts?
Let's be very clear. As long as there is chaos, the Middle East will remain in turmoil, no capital will be invested in Iraqi oil fields to fund the restoration of Iraq, and Americans will be killed. Baathists have been slaughtering the Shia for years. What makes you think this hatred has changed?
Re: searching for a conspiracy..
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.. because I cant believe fellow Muslims would support and perform this murder.
i hope there is some third party that is doing this, perhaps the americans to divide us..
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I hate to break it to ya, but I don't think Americans are responsible for this. Sounds like you can live with it to some extent if the Americans are directly (or even slightly)
responsible. It's a little tougher if they aren't, eh?
Well, the Muslim body count tragically is the same either way. You need to muster up some courage and direct your anger against the real bad guys here. You may influence those around you to do the same. Put some pressure on the bad guys. Until you do, this will repeat itself again and again, and blaming America, while offering you some solace, will do nothing for women and children and other innocents so callously targeted in the future. They will still die.
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Haha, you are very funny The Real AK47. can you tell us if Shias were permitted to do Matam during Muharam before the occupation? And while being over 60% of the population, what %age of them were in the Government of Saddam Hussain? And you are talking about sectarian killings?
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thats very clever, but that is not what I asked.
Q:- how many sectarian attacks happened before the occupation?
bottom line is, the mess wich is in Iraq today, blame lies on the occupiers, the whole invasion is based on a false premiss of WMD's, this has been a farce from the start.
** Stick to the topic of this thread.**
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The last I heard they have several Shia's held at gitmo.
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And that Shia Iran has links with Al Qaida, according the American's anyway.
I wonder how the American's explain the complete contradiction between Al Qaida supposedly killing Shia's in Iraq, while at the same time the Shia mullahs in Iran having links with them?
Bombing on Ashura
in iraq more than 100 dead and more than 200 injured …
May Allah punish those evil-doers and may the soul of those murdered rest in peace! Ameen :flower1:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
‘Souls will perish and blood will be spilt. This is exactly what we want’
Wednesday March 3, 2004
The Guardian
The US-led coalition last month warned that Islamist militants were fomenting violence in Iraq, and it named Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a potential mastermind of terrorist activity.
The Jordanian was targeted because the US had intercepted a letter purportedly written by him to Osama bin Laden. “The only solution is to strike the religious, military and other cadres of the Shia so they strike against the Sunnis,” the letter said. “Souls will perish and blood will be spilt. This is exactly what we want.”
It continued: “The Shia have taken on the dress of the army, police and the Iraqi security forces … We will undertake suicide operations and use car bombs to harm them.”
The US has offered a $10m reward for his capture.
Death toll in Iraq rises to 220, in Pakistan 41..
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Inna-Lillah-e-Wa-Inna-Ilaih-e-Rajioon…
First we need to see who would gain the largest profit from a civil war arising between the Shia and Sunni in Iraq?
Today while listening on the NPR I heard this reporter commentating on the speculation that Al-Qaeda was behind this…She immediately countered it by saying that Al-Qaeda is a name that is today being very carelessly tossed around…Furthermore she added, that unlike previous times, the Iraqis today are even more detremined than usual to oust the American invaders out from the country, and this sort of act simply brings them even closer together…
Al-Qaeda for whatever reasons would never resort to hurting Shias, specially in Iraq, now that few Shias are also involved in wanting the usurpers ousted from their midst, and to cause a rift between Iraqis on the basis of sectarianism would hurt the ultimate cause, that is, killing and/or sending the Yankees back home…
I am sure there is a foreign hand in this, as no hatred, for whatever reasons exceeds the achievement of a single aim, and that is the expulsion of foreign imperialists from their midst…
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You know, sometimes you really make me wonder if you go around lying on purpose, or if you’re just plain ol’ ignorant.
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**First we need to see who would gain the largest profit from a civil war arising between the Shia and Sunni in Iraq?
Today while listening on the NPR I heard this reporter commentating on the speculation that Al-Qaeda was behind this...She immediately countered it by saying that Al-Qaeda is a name that is today being very carelessly tossed around...Furthermore she added, that unlike previous times, the Iraqis today are even more detremined than usual to oust the American invaders out from the country, and this sort of act simply brings them even closer together...**
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Exactly, until the war there was never any history in Iraq of sectarian-based attacks. Although Saddam's regime was dominated by Sunni's and Christians he brutally put down any opponents to him, be they Sunni or Shia, or Arab or Kurd. Further proof of the lack of any real sectarian split in Iraq, is the fact that even after the bombings of Shia's (under the nose of American troops), there has not been any backlash against Sunni's and the Shia's have invariably ended up blaming the American's.
So faced with the Shia's assuming power in Iraq in democratic elections, and the long held American suspicipon of Shia power as demonstrated by their antipathy towards Iran and Hezbollah etc, who would benefit the greatest by trying split the Iraqi's?
Im glad to see your condemnation here, Lajawab. As a vocal sunni poster, your sentiments here were conspicously missing.
I’m willing to think that this was infact a conspiracy aimed at inciting civil war. But it should it turn out that it was carried out by our own hands, would you be willing to condemn AQ for it?
"Searching for a conspriracy" - at least the title of the thread is honest. But at what lengths and shame will people stoop to blame America before acknowleding the inherent violence and hatred that has been in that part of world since the dawn of history? It's pathetic. No, there hasn't been sunni on shia violence in Iraq. But that's because Saddam suppressed, tortured, imprisoned and killed them by the hundreds of thousands. Give the conspiracy theories a rest and be honest. There are many groups and governments that benefit from an unstable Iraq. The US isn't one of them.
Just as I have been saying, the Shia’s tend to blame the American’s for such attacks, as they have again this time. But what is even more interesting is that some of the people they have arrested in connection with these attacks are Iranians.
**Iraqi Shiites Decry U.S. After Bombings **
Shiite Muslim mourners chanted slogans against the United States Wednesday, venting their anger at Iraq’s instability after a series of suicide bombings against pilgrims that killed more than 100. As the country began three days of mourning, officials said 15 people, some possibly Iranians, were detained in the attacks.
"until the war there was never any history in Iraq of sectarian-based attacks. Although Saddam's regime was dominated by Sunni's and Christians he brutally put down any opponents to him, be they Sunni or Shia, or Arab or Kurd"
Yeah, isn't oppression great?
What do you think, that this hatred just sprung up in the last nine months?
"Shia's tend to blame the American's for such attacks"
Yes, all over the world Muslim on Muslim violence is viewed as someone elses fault. Simple question, who set off the bomb? Who pulls the trigger? Who plans the attacks? Start there. No elaborate conspiracy theories to make yourself feel better.
Just for the record, with over 270 people killed this attack is the worst terrorist incident since 9/11.