Scott Ritter Internet Sex Arrest Exposed?

BraveHeart,
Just one question for yourself: you stated that even before all of this, you did not harbor a positive view of Ritter, because "he sells his opinions and his voice to the highest bidder". One question: how did he manage this in your opinion? Please don't tell me that you have fallen for the line that he is a stooge of Saddam Hussein; if one has read enough of his statements and past activities, one would know he is not currently a stooge of any government (although, some may believe at some point he might have been of the US admin. due to the espionage issue, but i guess that is not directly pertinent to the point at hand). i am very curious to learn how you think he has sold his voice to the highest bidder.

By the way no, you did not sound patronising at all, i thank you for your last comment. Not saying that i am perfect but i attempt to be careful with whom i place my faith into. But i think your intention behind the words was sincere, so i appreciate that very much.

OG :slight_smile: Plot certainly does thicken. i would anticipate, amidst everything that is occurring currently, such cheap and possibly criminal acts as blackmail from President Hussein. He is no Pope, he’s a dictator. Simultaneously, i would not expect blackmail from the weapons inspectors themselves who are working under the supervision of the UN Security Council.
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An Iraqi scientist launched a furious attack yesterday on what he called the ‘mafia-like’ UN arms inspectors, accusing them of trying to lure him out of the country with emotional blackmail…

Physicist Faleh Hassan accused one female inspector of using the bribe of a promise of medical treatment for his sick wife in an attempt to have him leave to be interrogated abroad about Baghdad’s nuclear programmes. ‘Never, never will I leave my country,’ he said. Hassan was one of two scientists whose homes were visited last Thursday by UN inspectors, paying their first unannounced calls on private homes. The Americans have been increasing the pressure on the UN teams to attempt to take scientists out of Iraq for questioning.

Hassan, 55, spent the night with inspectors at a Baghdad hotel. Just hours before, He had taken the UN experts to a field outside the capital, where they inspected together what seemed to be a man-made mound. It was during that trip Hassan claims he was offered medical treatment for his wife, who suffers from kidney stones, diabetes and high blood pressure. Hassan said he immediately refused the offer. ‘This is mafia-like behaviour,’ he said.

Source: Nuclear ‘threat’ found as UN asks for time, Helena Smith, Kamal Ahmed and Ed Vulliamy
The Observer, 19 January 2003

MyVoice,
Again, thank you for your last post. It was pretty direct and informative. Alright. It clears up some of the previous confusions and errors i had.

>>If you had a 13 year old daughter, would you demonstrate your faith in Scotty's innocence by letting him babysit her for a few hours?<<
Yes.

>>It is pretty clear that he was, in fact, arrested and charged with going on the Internet, chatting with what he believed to be an underage girl, arranging a personal meeting with the girl so that he might sexually gratify himself while she watched.<<
This is where you can call me stupid or naive, but i refuse to believe that Ritter actually did the above filthy acts. He was arrested, true; he was charged with the above acts - true again. MV, something for me just does not fit in this entire issue; there is a missing piece of the puzzle that refuses to 'click' for myself. Why have these allegations only surfaced now, a year and seven months subsequent to the actual moment of arrest? Ask yourself this question, please. Almost literally on the eve of his planned departure to Baghdad, where several individuals were aware that he was going to criticize the current US policies vis-a-vis militarily attacking Iraq, it just had to happen that these allegations had to surface? Sure. Where was the media coverage, and the public furor, at the moment that he was arrested? Why was it saved for nineteen months later?

Secondly - you have to be VERY close with the anti-sanctions movement to comprehend the type of 'image' that has been built up around Scott Ritter, which is not entirely self-created but he is aware of. As i stated previously, he is not a darling of the anti-sanctions activists, but he is someone we arrange to speak at venues, whose quotes we utilize in press releases or to our Members of Parliament, etc. You have to realize that he is someone who takes this position very carefully. i know precisely what you must be thinking - poor Nadia, she just can't accept that her Scotty fell from grace. The critical aspect to this point, is that i do not accept these allegations based upon the work that Ritter himself has carried out in the entire Iraq issue and how absolutely irrational these acts are in accordance with his previous hard work. How utterly irrational, you can't get any more stupider than to have these filthy conversations with a "girl" on the internet subsequent to your having devoted so much hard work into seeing that a reliable voice has been built up around yourself.

i think i know exactly what you and others will be thinking - 'she's damn naive, much more than i thought she was'. Please ask yourself whether you (as well as the other Guppies, whom i respect, who have replied in this thread) are not biased against him for his political perspectives? If he was a stalwart endorser of the US admin.'s policies vis-a-vis Iraq, and he was all gung-ho about attacking Iraq and regime change, would you still be so persistent about refusing to believe in his "innocence"?

Bottom line - let those who have the evidence, present it publically - if it is so incontrovertible, then show it to the rest of us.

This issue's sole purpose has been to distract from engaging in a constructive debate regarding the validity of Ritter's arguments. Bearing in mind the fact that the media pounced on this story nineteen months subsequent to the arrest, i think the sole intention of these allegations has been well-served. Either the accusing parties should show their evidence to the public, or barring that - since everyone's had their bit of cheap fun, i think it's time to move on.

Nadia,

What else could a scientist say publicly? Do you suppose his criticism of the inspectors was “free speech”?

Even school children are conditioned to say the right thing in Iraq. I am dying to see what stories come out when Saddam is gone!

THE CULT OF POPULARITY
Fear Has Its Own Language in Iraq
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR

AGHDAD, Iraq — Asked his thoughts about replacing Iraq’s government by force, Sheik Talel al-Khalidi, a member of parliament and tribal leader from Mosul, launches into one of those all-too-common sermons about President Saddam Hussein winning 100 percent of the vote in a referendum last October.

He demands to know how the Bush administration can possibly ignore such overwhelming support, prompting a visitor to note that Americans tend to respect election results when voters actually have a choice.

“But there was a choice!” the sheik protests. “People could vote yes or no.”

Any interview in Iraq runs the risk of capsizing beneath the flood of Orwellian language that courses through all public discussions, rendering true thoughts and sentiments extremely elusive. Occasionally someone angry or reckless enough voices harsh criticism of the Iraqi government, but such encounters are both furtive and extremely rare.

Since most interviews between Iraqis and the Western press are organized and monitored by minders from the Ministry of Information, many Iraqis take the prudent step of garnishing their remarks with some praise for their president. This is an old-school totalitarian regime, after all, where criticizing the president is illegal, and parents have been known to disappear after their children parroted anti-Hussein remarks heard at home.

Foreigners with long experience here believe this is a matter of conditioning, of fear and self-censorship that have become innate. Iraqis are raised from childhood to sing — often literally — the president’s praises.

They are also taught to mistrust foreigners. So when they find themselves talking to a foreigner, they respond as if by rote, often with safe, stock phrases.

The most telling example of this conditioning in recent weeks has been the attempt by arms inspectors to interview scientists confidentially about Iraq’s efforts to develop nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. In the few cases publicized, the scientists involved refused to be interviewed outside Iraq, and even requested the presence of a government representative.

“It is hard to be sure that the person being questioned can tell the truth,” said a Western envoy here. “Iraqis have already internalized how they are supposed to act, what they are supposed to say, how they are supposed to think.”

Often it’s a question of degree. Some Iraqis make a few passing laudatory remarks and get on with the subject at hand, making the interview interesting and worthwhile. Others manage to weave the president’s name into virtually every sentence, overwhelming the possibility that they will say anything a reporter could mistake for an independent, thoughtful judgment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/weekinreview/19WORD.html

Nadia,

You dismiss the concept of credibility. The types of answers Mr Scott gives are not those of an “innocent” man.

"Transcript of Ritter Interview, Part III
This is the transcript of Darcy Wells’ interview with Scott Ritter from the Wednesday, January 22 edition of Channel Six News at 6.
Wells: “But can you set the record straight, did you go online and talk to an underage girl concerning some type of sexual discussions?”

Ritter: “Again I must respect my legal and ethically responsibilities and not discuss issues pertaining to that case.” "

Yea right Mr Scott, dance around the truth a little more.

To the best of MY knowledge, this is the first time ever that an Iraqi scientist has taken the specific charge of blackmail against an inspector. UNSCOM members were accused of spying, but never of using blackmail. Nevertheless, i agree that there is a great deal of monitoring in Iraq with regards to what individuals are and are not allowed to state. With one or two notable exceptions, much the same occurs in virtually every other Middle Eastern country (not that that justifies it, but neither is Iraq the sole demon in the group).

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Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
**Ritter: "Again I must respect my legal and ethically responsibilities and not discuss issues pertaining to that case."
*Yea right Mr Scott, dance around the truth a little more.
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lol. :) OG, you really make me laugh sometimes. You can't be serious - if he stated "I am innocent", would you believe it? No! There's nothing the poor fella can say that will make you (and others) believe in his innocence.
i am not entirely certain what is so wrong about him stating that he must "respect" his legal and ethical responsibilities. Maybe he is stating this because he feels that sufficient media attention has been placed on this issue and he wants to move on. Surely he's entitled to that.

No, Scott is absolutely free to talk about his case. the “sealing” only applies to the prosecution! As you say, they CANNOT present the evidence so we cannot deny it. As far as Ritter, is he a liar? You judge:

"He was charged with attempted endangerment of a child, a misdemeanor that carries up to 90 days in jail, according to The Times Union of Albany. The case was adjourned in contemplation of dismissal, meaning if he stayed out of trouble for six months, the charges would disappear and the file be sealed.

“When you dismiss the case and you seal the files, … it maintains the presumption of innocence,” Ritter, 41, said in a Court TV interview Wednesday. “So I’m sticking to my ethical and legal obligations not to discuss this case. I wish other people had done that.”

When the story initially surfaced Saturday in The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, Ritter told a reporter, “Sorry, you must have the wrong person.” "

Sorry you have the wrong person? Tsk Tsk Mr Scott. A public lie.

OG,
How do you know the sealing only applies to the prosecution? Sorry, i am not very well-versed in matters of the law.

Please picture this - maybe he does not feel comfortable talking about this issue because he feels that it will exclusively serve to feed the media-hysteria and detract from the larger, more RELEVANT issue of the consequences of war upon Iraq (part of the reason he was going to fly to Baghdad anyways). Some people are not comfortable discussing personal issues; does that automatically indicate they are guilty of something? i don't like to discuss my personal issues with every Joe, Dick and Harry off the street - does that indicate i am hiding something? It's an issue of how sensitive or not one is, not necessarily that one is hiding something.

Main question for yourself: do you think maybe that, because of your particular perspectives towards Ritter's political statements, you are biased against him and are therefore so persistent about proving him "guilty" of this crime? In short, do you think bias plays a factor here (as much as it does for myself)?

Nadia,

This is from the CNN interview above:

“Scott, we spent a fair amount of time today looking at New York law on this. There is nothing in a sealed case, zero, that prevents you from talking about it. The point of the seal is to protect you from the state, not to protect the state from you.”

or this:

Outcome of Ritter Sting Case Unusual

Police say they caught him trying to meet young girls over the internet…but former U.N. Weapons inspector Scott Ritter never spent a day in jail.

Legal experts say that’s unusual…most others accused of similar crimes meet a much different fate.

Jeffrey Johnson serving 7 years in prison…nabbed by police in 1997 for trying to hook up with a 12-year old girl he met on the Internet.

Robert Rodriguez facing up to 15 years behind bars…for a similar crime involving a 14 year old.

Former U.N. Weapons inspector Scott Ritter caught in 2001 for allegedly trying to meet a 16 year old girl he chatted with online.

But Ritter’s a free man…his case adjourned in contemplation of dismissal… {The judge, the ADAA, my lawyer, reached an ACOD and my file was sealed. I am obligated legally and ethically not to discuss matters pertaining to that.}

{I’ve never heard of an ACOD in a situation like this.} Former federal prosecutor Donald kinchella says the outcome of Ritter’s case is not the norm…especially since Ritter was also nabbed 3 months before the arrest and got off with just a warning.

{People who do this just don’t do it once. There’s something there. No police officer or anyone else wants to see someone like this out on the streets where they can have contact with children.}

Ritter was allegedly supposed to meet the teenage girl at this Menands Burger King…but was met by cops instead…a common tactic in internet sex stings…

{If someone communicated with someone they think is a kid and had conversations about sex and then they show up where they set the meeting up, I can’t imagine what the innocent explanation would be.}

With Ritter’s case-- and his lips – sealed…we may never hear his explanation.

The sentences for crimes like these can differ greatly…depending on the specifics and whether the case is being prosecuted by the state or the federal government.

The feds generally dole out harsher penalties. They were never involved in Scott Ritter’s case.

And yes Nadia, I personally never liked the guy. He was pompous arrogant and self-righteous. He made a fine living from being a talking head. And he made the PERFECT Iraqi advocate because he was the least likely to be put forward by far left. But I sense that there is a LOT more to this story that will come out.

Because the postions he puts forward are controversial, credibility is an important factor.

This guy was on C4 saying that he was proven innocent and that someone has brought these cases out again to stop him from leading the anti war campaign in the USA.

ex inspector, ex-marine-seems quite a honest guy-thats wrong just to ruin someone's reputation like that-if thats whats happening over there. Is thats whats happening?

>>"Scott, we spent a fair amount of time today looking at New York law on this. There is nothing in a sealed case, zero, that prevents you from talking about it. The point of the seal is to protect you from the state, not to protect the state from you."<<
Ohio Guy, i remember reading that comment but did not unfortunately attach too much accuracy to it because i think it was made by Aaron Brown, who seemed not too reliable a source to me. But alright, moving on - just because someone doesn't feel comfortable discussing this does not necessarily indicate s/he is guilty. Ritter most likely felt he had two options before him when the interviewer questioned him - either reply in direct sentences and feed in to the media frenzy that has already caused him to forgo his flight to Baghdad, or, choose to stay silent. It is fully within his rights to choose the latter.

Personally, i find it far less suspicious that he was not doled out a more severe form of punishment than the fact that the media chose to pounce on this story nineteen months subsequent to the actual arrest. Why do you think there was this delay, OG?

>>And yes Nadia, I personally never liked the guy. He was pompous arrogant and self-righteous. He made a fine living from being a talking head.<<
Sorry, but i'm a bit shocked that you hate him this much....just because of his advocating that there should not be a war on Iraq? Do you hate everyone who believes in this view? What about Denis Halliday, Hans von Sponeck, the Pope for that matter?

Thanks for the direct answer, by the way. Just as much as i am biased towards Ritter (because many of his comments parallel my own sentiments), you hate him for precisely the opposite reason. Don't you think that almost in the ardent desire to have a negative attribute attached to Ritter, you are taking it too far? You want something so bad, you think you have got it?

>>Because the postions he puts forward are controversial, credibility is an important factor.<<
In my eyes, he remains credible and i will continue to utilize his quotes, on and off Gupshup. If you check out the current discussion lists of anti-sanctions orgs., there have been two or three reports of this issue; the majority of the response has been to refuse to get distracted by such a deliberate and biased act of personality defamation. We don't have a shortage of individuals whose work we can utilize, Ritter is not the only one 'out there' for us anti-sanctions activists. We are experienced, we have been down this road before with other former UN officials (Halliday, Sponeck, Robinson) personally defamed on grounds that appear, at least to myself, rather flimsy to say the least. Therefore i suspect Ritter will continue to be regarded as the reliable source he was prior to all these allegations.

Nadia i hold my hands up and agree to disagree,i have talked even more about this guy than i want to.I hope your faith in Ritter is repaid but i doubt it.

Nadia, things come out when they come out. Lewinsky matter took a guy called Matt Drudge to expose (months after the encounters), so media is not always on top of every little case that is filed with the courts. Nothing in the law prevents him from saying “I did not do it” or “I am innocent of the charges that were brought up against me”. If he can’t say those simple words, I don’t know if he has an ounce of credibility left. I would respect him more if he just came out and spoke the truth, whatever it may be.

Nadia,

"Personally, i find it far less suspicious that he was not doled out a more severe form of punishment than the fact that the media chose to pounce on this story nineteen months subsequent to the actual arrest. Why do you think there was this delay, OG? "

Personally I think the US crawled right up his phone line into his computer. Because of his sensitive position he would have had to sign security agreements with the US government. The US would have had a very easy time convincing a judge to monitor his activity and wire tap him and his computer. What they were probably looking for was very specific to national security in the search warrant, and the pedophilia was probably the last thing they expected to find. So they dropped a dime on him with the local police, and they got him. When the case went to the prosecuting attorney, the defense lawyer argued that the search warrant that led to the discovery was probably not broad enough to cover his disgusting preferences, and the whole thing would be thrown out. (this was before Ashcroft remember?) But that would not prevent the prosecution from taking the case to court in a very public way, even if the evidence was tainted. So Scott cut a deal. If he was a good boy, the case would get sealed. My guess is that Scott is a long way from innocent, but instead got off the hook because the incidental way that the evidence was collected would have gotten the case thrown out of court.

Innocent? No way. Lucky, yea, kind of. But Mr Scott probably got two years worth of speaking fees and notariety and he got away with what most Americans would not have… Thats why his behavior now is even more slimy. I think he was living a very good life based on his opinions.

See:

A Schenectady County lawmaker is trying to pull the plug on a speaking engagement for Scott Ritter.

It comes after word leaked Ritter was busted in a police internet sex sting in 2001. The former UN Weapons Inspector was accused of having an online sexual conversation with a 15-year old girl.

Next month Ritter is set to be paid $4,000 to speak about Iraq at Schenectady County Community College. County Legislator Susan Savage wants the college to cancel that appearance.

http://www.abc10.com/Global/story.asp?S=1097625&nav=6uyNDYOD

Now I am done done done! Whew!

i'll shut up soon, i promise i will, but $4000 for a speaking engagement? That must have been arranged by someone else, not by an anti-sanctions org., as in the past three to four years i have not come across ANY anti-sanctions organization in North America that can afford to cough up that much. Most of us are just uni students who organize these events and yes sometimes the speakers request honorariums to cover their expenses (although Denis Halliday doesn't), no anti-sanctions org. i am aware of can afford $4000. Usually the honorarium is in the range of ~$500, if we're lucky, depending upon how much each university's diverse faculties are able to give.

Alright, that being stated, i promise i'll shut up now. OG, let's just agree to disagree. Regards,
nadia

isn't he the guy who appeared on TV and wondered why this case has been unsealed while he had appeared in court for that and was free'd from the allegations.

Interesting Timings indeed