School trips to Aushwitz for UK pupils

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Let's not forget the Islamic history of slavery and it existence still to this day in SUDAN.

Read , WHITE GOLD' during the late 1700s and into 1800 muslims ships sailed into the medditerreanian , the adriatic, the barbary coast, england , france etc , stoping off at seaside communities and kidnapping women, children and men for slave trade in the muslim world of north africa.

Even though, under Western pressure, slavery has been officially abolished in Muslim countries (which cannot permanently reject slavery, as it is recognized in Islam) the blacks of sub-Saharan Africa are, whenever they come into contact with Arab or even local Muslims, still being exploited, massacred (as the Biafrans) or sold into slavery (as in the Sudan). This is happening most notably in the Sudan, which a hundred years ago was still mainly black and overwhelmingly non-Muslim, but thanks to steady Jihad encroachments has been taken over by the dominant northern Arabs. It was not Muslims, but the British who suppressed the Arab slave trade in East Africa. That trade had supplied black slaves for many uses, but particularly sought were male children who were castrated on sight where they were seized. Those who survived the primitive operation (with of course no anesthetic) were then taken by slave coffle from the interior and marched either all the way up to the Muslim slave-markets of Egypt and North Africa from Tripolitania to Mauritania, or taken by dhow to the coast, often to Muscat, and from there to the slave-markets of Arabia, Riyadh and Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo, even as far as Constantinople and Smyrna. In “The Hideous Trade” Jan Hogedoorn has calculated that the mortality rate due to the castration and subsequent forced marches, ended with barely 10% of those initially taken actually managing to reach those slave markets alive.
This wreaked havoc all over East and Central Africa, and even had consequences in West Africa. V. S. Naipaul has noted that the Muslim conquest of Hindustan left the Indians with a “wounded civilization.” Similarly, in his short monograph on “The Wanderings of Peoples” the British historian A. C. Haddon notes that in Africa “the slave trade, as carried on under Arab influence...contributed powerfully to the dislocation of tribes."
Such dislocation followed upon the activities of the Arab slavers. Think of Tippoo Tib, whom Stanley writes about. His depredations have received little attention, though those of him and other Arab slavers were by far the worst of the calamities visited by outsiders upon black Africa. Unlike the European colonialists, the Arabs who use Islam as the vehicle for their own imperialism have never had to account for this. Yet they have never ceased to press forward, to make demands on black Africa. They helped encourage the “Jihad” – as Colonel Ojukwu called it in his Ahiara Declaration – that led the Christian Ibo in Nigeria to fight for their independence from the Muslim north; with Egyptian pilots strafing Ibo villages, and the entire Western world ignoring the Biafrans. Only Ghana and Israel recognized Biafra diplomatically. And with a million civilians massacred, the Muslims of the north, with that Egyptian help, managed to suppress the Biafran movement. They continue to this day to divert the oil wealth from the largely Christian south to support the Muslim-controlled army and the depressed, inshallah-fatalistic economy of the Muslim north.

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By looking at these posts, it clearly indicates that another holocaust of the Jewish people is a very likely possibility and thus its very important to show what has happened

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You are right the +5 milllion are no match to the 1,5 million total sum of people (muslims) being murdered killed around the world.

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lol!

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A country with sad painful history on slavery shouldn't brag about Islam and other countries.

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You must have not gone through the U.S. education system where a great deal of time is spent educating and talking about the history of slavery and it's effects.

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I have because I was born in the US. A lot of time is also taken dealing with the Holocaust. There are Holocaust museums in the US for a crime commited in Nazi Germany, why not even one US slavery museum?

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http://www.usnationalslaverymuseum.org/home.asp

It opens this year.

Built on 38 acres of land and will be 300000-square-feet.

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How about some slavery museums in Muslim countries. They were (and are) involved in the African slave trade for*** hundreds of years*** longer than the US.

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Good start! About an hour from where I live and work. I just called them and the lady on the phone said they can begin construction as soon as they raise $10 million.

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Give the Muslim dictators some money, instead of weapons, to build it. I'm sure they will oblige.

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Sounds like some parts are already opened

REDERICKSBURG, Va. (AP) — Although the U.S. National Slavery Museum will not open its doors until at least next year, a garden meant to signify the struggle of slaves to be free is scheduled to open June 21.

The Spirit of Freedom Exhibit Garden has nine educational displays about abolitionists, runaways, acts of bravery and the need for endurance on the road to freedom. It also features wooden carvings from West Africa, where many of the slaves were from.

The garden is one of several outdoor activities timed to be part of this year’s 400th anniversary commemoration of the founding of Jamestown, America’s first permanent English settlement.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2007-06-11-national-slavery-museum_N.htm

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which Muslim country do you speak of? There has been no race based slavery of the kind that existed in America in what is now Pakistan for centuries.

Infact I cant remember a time when a comparable formal racist slavery system existed in the places where those you're talking to hail from. one reason why many Hindus converted to Islam is the absence of the racist caste system.

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Yes, the lady did mention the Gardens. I wish they had opened it closer to DC, but I guess opening it in the South is still good.

It's not too far away from the Marines museum either.

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Europeans and the US were involved in the African slave trade for 3 centuries, whereas Arabs have been involved for 14 centuries. Islam allows slavery, Muhammad himself owned scores of them. So maybe the museum belongs in Saudi Arabia and not Pakistan.

Whether or not it is race-based is really not here or there. No one said open an African slave museum in a Muslim country. You can highlight the slaves going all the back to the prisoners of war in the battle for Arabia.

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M2K, most of the posters on this thread are of Pakistani origin, who have zero knowledge of European history. Poor thangs have not done any study on this matter, so they usually end up repeating neo-Nazi propaganda on this board as well.

Your concerns are true about future holocausts be they Jewish or others. There are many in the Middle East who are poised to drop whatever they have on the state of Israel. Some crazy leaders are so well known that I don't have to mention their names.

So yes we must keep ourselves aware of the looming danger of possible repeat of the horrible acts in the Aushwitz. They may help us to treat our fellow Pakistanis the minority groups a little bit better.

It may also help us to rid ourselves from religion centric policies like putting "Muslim" in the passports and other documents. We have used this non-Muslim vs. Muslim thingy to divide our nation just like Hitler used "star of David" on his Jewish countrymen.

Oh well I may be dreaming that Pakistanis will learn anything from holocaust. Or may be there is hope.

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Why to go back 1000's of years. African Muslims are doing the slavery business as we speak. The atrocities are being committed by none other than Sudanese Muslims who claim to be decedents of Arabs.

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Which holocaust? The one we perpetrated in East Pakistan/Bangladesh or the one the Nazis did in Europe? Or both?

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The word holocaust is not a joke. It is meant to describe the total or massive destruction of a section in a society.

Germans (and Europeans) of Jewish decent suffered total annihilation in the areas controlled by the Nazis.

Once Nazis got done, no Jewish business was open, not many Jewish homes were left for their owners, and instead Jewish people ended up in the concentration camps.

In BDesh on the other hand, people who lost their homes and businesses were (in relative terms) more non-Bengalis than Bengalis. So holocaust is not the proper term to be used in BDeshi context.

Anything that comes close in the Indian Subcontinent is the holocaust of Punjabis during 1947. Once the two sides got done, Muslim population in E. Punjab was "zero", and so was the Non-Muslim Population in the W. Punjab. People subjected to that holocaust lost everything, their families, their homes, their businesses, and their jobs.

And yes we should have a holocaust museum in Lahore that highlights atrocities committed on Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims during the fateful period.

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All well and good. I am for education for all atrocities committed by everyone, but I don't believe that tax money should be used for field trips to other people's criminal factories. That's their problem.

Pakistanis on the other hand, need to educate their children about the atrocities of the various Mughal kings and Afghan invaders who pillaged and raped the subcontinent; instead of stupidly naming missles after them.