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Iranians are protesting the execution of Nimr, like they do not execute people. the role of Iran/Saudia is very hypocritical in the context of Middle East. Iran has no issue in executing Sunnis in the country but have an issue if Saudia executes Shias, Iran has no issue with regime change in Bahrain but does not want the same in Syria. The same statement we can repeat for Saudia. Its better these two countries fight it out directly instead of fighting proxy wars elsewhere.
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That is the big question, and hopefully it does not result in ban or prosecution.
It looks like that it happened before from 1988-91. Iranis were banned from Hajj, though from what I read it was the Iranian govt themselves as no consular access can be provided w/o the iranian diplomatic staff.
Plus, how would you get a visa to enter saudia if there is no saudi diplomatic staff in your country?
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Can Irani citizens seeking Hajj visa go through Pakistani based Saudi consulates interim if the issue of diplomatic relation is not resolved by September?
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probably, SWISS Embassy will help them out.
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“Most Chinese data is from 2013. Excludes North Korea.”
Say what?
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The graphic says Chinese data EXCLUDES North Korea. Why does it also not say Chinese data EXCLUDES India, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia and Brazil?
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People go to hajj, so will that be banned and/or people who have had or will travel face prosecution?
As far as I know ... (from my knowledge and understanding ... if I am wrong, please correct me):
Hajj visa is not like normal visiting visa. There is quota for all Muslim countries, as well as India and some non-Muslim countries, for Hajj and Umrah visa, according to their Muslim population. So, each country gets Hajj visa quota and sends people from their country on that Hajj visa quota.
For instance, if you want to go to Hajj from Pakistan, you apply to Pakistan government (not Saudi government) for Hajj visa. Similarly, Iranians going to Hajj would be applying to Iranian government for visa, not Saudi government.
It is different when one goes from non-Muslim countries that have no quota (like USA, Canada, Europe or UK), as then one have to apply to Saudi embassy for Hajj visa.
Well, that is according to what I know
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For instance, if you want to go to Hajj from Pakistan, you apply to Pakistan government (not Saudi government) for Hajj visa. Similarly, Iranians going to Hajj would be applying to Iranian government for visa, not Saudi government.
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Oh bhai, at least use logic before writing 10 billion words.
It is Saudi's land, so how can pakistan issue visas w/o saudi ascent? What Saudis do is they limit each country to a specific amount and then I think that you have a lottery and things are taken care off at the saudi end at least in Pakistan. I don't know if it will happen, but Saudis have banned people from certain countries like when they had that flu pandemic in hajj time.
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^^^ Dear Brother ... I do not write anything without knowing about it. If I write something incorrect and find out than I try to correct that too. So, be confident.:)
Problem is that, even if I skip some information still post becomes long, and then some complain that I have written 10 billion words and start questioning on details or what I skipped. :)
So, for your information, here is how Hajj visa works out (that also happens in UK where I live, though in different ways).
According to Muslim population of a country, Saudi Arabia works out quota for Hajj visa, then they issue Hajj visa stickers. These stickers goes to respective Governments.
Then it is particular government who issue Hajj forms, works out details of applicants, and decides who would go for Hajj and also arrange all the rituals and collect expenses of Hajj that countries may subsidize or take it wholly from Hajj applicants.
[Though in UK, stickers representing British quota for Hajj ... are given to some selected Saudi approved agents. These agents are supposed to not only give visa, but take responsibility of the Hajjis during Hajj ... and that is why, one do not get ticket of Mecca during Hajj, but buy Hajj package.
Unfortunately, some scrupulous approved agent violating the rules, also sell these stickers to unapproved agents (creating black market for Hajj visa), that in the end costs Hajjis more money as these agents overcharge, as well Hajjis get sub-standard Hajj experience, sometime even loss of money without going to Hajj.
I think couple of years ago, Saudi Arabia was looking into the matter of approved agents Black marketing Hajj stickers in UK.].
Anyhow, particular Governments work out how many stickers they would distribute themselves and how many (if any) they would give to selected approved agents providing Hajj packages in their country to Private Hajj applicants (who get their Hajj visa from agents).
Nevertheless, most of Hajj stickers (at least in Pakistan) gets distributed by government, who also arrange Hajjis task of performing Hajj. Since in Pakistan, Hajj applications are always more than quota, government do random balloting.
In this way, it is countries who does all the paper work, and make arrangement for Hajjis from 'time of leaving the country to time they get back'.
So, you can say that visa stickers are issued by Saudi Government, sent to countries (or particular agents in Europe/America) ... and then it is up to government of that country (or agents in west) to do the rest ... and that includes how Hajjis would perform Hajj and what facilities Hajjis would get during Hajj.