once again you contradict yourself. if andhra or someone else said sh*t about islam somewhere, what does that have to do with sati? be consistent, dude. anyway, the likes of andhra and you deserve each other.
You took it in a wrong way, just like others on this message board. It is you, who hasn't my questions yet. Did ya? The lovers of Andhra and other fanatics didn't come into my category. Right on!
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Nevertheless, you will find that a lot of cultural customs in Pakistan are from Hindu dominated factors. That is why where these customs are practiced the people are very very regressive, rather than progressive!!<<
You know what, I like Pakistanis!!!
If there is something wrong in culture it is because of either HInduism or Bollywood movies!!
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We poor Indians don’t have such convenient pegs to hang our troubles on.
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**You took it in a wrong way, just like others on this message board. It is you, who hasn't my questions yet. Did ya? The lovers of Andhra and other fanatics didn't come into my category. Right on!
Play your game - Guess my motto**
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english please.
oh yeah as I'm speaking Spanish with you
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*nothing in this world is constant - reality, morality and truth are contextual matters...
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Really?! Can you indulge this unimaginative person and give some examples?
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** Really?! Can you indulge this unimaginative person and give some examples?**
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how much time does it take for one to travel from delhi to lahore? a thousand years back, the truth would have been not less than a week. today it is less than six hours. sounds trivial, but the truth changed.
change in morality - it would be a punishable offence if a woman stepped outside her house alone in what's now saudi three hundred years back, right now, it sounds laughable.
Queer, before going back years and years, could you please stick to the topic and answer what I've asked yesterday.
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nothing in this world is constant - reality, morality and truth are contextual matters...<<
Let me explain. Queer IS right.
THese are contextual matters. For example if you are to accept God and recognize there is more than one monotheistic Religion, you have to recognize the differences.
NOw assuming Hell and Heaven are true, it is obvious the followers of only one Religion can get in there ACCORDING TO THEM!!!
See, what Queer meant by 'Context'?
HOw do you explain that except as 'Context' of a Religion?
Queer's statement has theological aspects to it that are debatable, but I am not debating them with People who bewlieve in absolute revealed Words from God!!
In my humble opinion, if God indeed gave his final irrrevocable Truth to one dead Person he is essentially saying those who are coming after him are a bunch of Idiots who can't think for themselves, which is an insult to God's creation!!
What do you Say?
seems these Indoos just can’t get wife-burning outta their system
story from today’s Asian Age:
CITY HOUSEWIFE BURNT, SPOUSE ARRESTED
By Our Correspondent
Kolkata, March 27
A man was arrested after his wife was burnt to death in Lake Town late on Tuesday evening. He was produced in court on Wednesday and sent to police custody.
Swapna Dolui and Buro Dolui were married for the last five years. On Tuesday evening, residents of the area saw smoke coming out from their Digharipara home. They got suspicious and broke open the front door of the one-storeyed house and found Swapna’s charred body. She was rushed to a nearby nursing home where the doctors declared her dead.
Her husband, who was present at the house when the incident took place, said Swapna had committed suicide. He said they had quarrelled over some domestic matter. “After some time Swapna went quietly into the bedroom and set herself on fire,” Buro said.
The locals called the police and the body was sent for post mortem. The police arrested Buro, a couple of hours later, after Swapna’s relatives lodged a complaint with the Lake Town police. Additional superintendent of police, Barrackpur, said Buro is in their custody now.
and here is the holy crap that gets these Indoos reachin for da matches:
The most sacred of Aryan scriptures are the Vedas, and the Rig Veda, the oldest veda, first mentions the custom of sati. The following famous `Sati Hymn' of the Rig Veda was (and still is) recited during the actual immolation of the widow Kane 199-200 ]: -
" Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned."
-- Rig Veda X.18.7 ] Kane 199-200 ]
In recent times some Aryan apologists have arisen who try to prove that this verse does not sanction sati. This concept arises from a mistaken reading of the word agne or agneh , which they believe is agre . This is a wrong interpretation, and other evidence exists that the Aryans definitely practiced Sati from the earliest times. They distorted this verse which directs the widow to enter the pyre (agneh) so as to mean that the wife was to rise from her pyre and go to the front (agre). In addition to these examples, ancient Aryan scripture encourages sati. The Garudapurana favourably mentions the immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre, and states that women of all castes, even the Candalla woman, must perform Sati. The only exceptions allowed by this benevolent author is for pregnant women or those who have young children. If women do not perform sati, then they will be reborn into the lowly body of a woman again and again till they perform Sati. Garudapurana II.4.91-100 ] Kane 237 ] According to Vasishta's Padma-Purana, a woman must, on the death of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre Abbe DuBois 345 ]. The Vishnusmirti gives two choices for the widow:
"If a woman's husband dies, let her lead a life of chastity, or else mount his pyre"
-- Vishnusmrti xxv.14 ] Clayton 13 ]
Brahma is one of the main Aryan gods, being the creator of the world ( later he was identified as an incarnation of Vishnu ). One of the Puranas is named after him, the Brahma Purana. Like other Puranas, it was composed after the Vedas ( Pandits hold 4000 B.C., Indologists 700 B.C.) This scripture also sanctions sati:
" It is the highest duty of the woman to immolate herself after her husband ",
-- Br.P. 80.75 ] Sheth 103 ]
Once again we hear that sati is sanctioned by the Vedas:
" ..is enjoined by the Vedas ",
-- Br.P. 80.75 ] Sheth 103 ]
and is
" greatly reputed in all the worlds "
-- Br.P. 80.75 ] Sheth 103 ]
Long life is promised to the sati:
" She the sati ] lives with her husband in heaven for as many years as there are pores in the human body, ie. for 35 million years. "
-- Br.P. 80.76, 80.77 ] Sheth 103 ]
Vishnu Dharmasutra XXV.14 contains the statement:
On her husband's death, the widow should observe celibacy or should ascend the funeral pyre after him.
Several other scriptures sanction widow-burning. Some of these are as given below Wilkins ]:
"It is proper for a woman, after her husband's death to burn herself in the fire with his copse; every woman who thus burns herself shall remain in paradise with her husband 35,000,000 years by destiny."
"The wife who commits herself to fames with her husband's copse shall equal Arundathi and reside in Swarga (heaven)."
"Accompanying her husband, she shall reside so long in Swarga as the 35,000,000 of hairs on the human body.
"As the snake-catcher forcibly drags the serpent from his earth, so bearing her husband [from hell] with him she enjoys heavenly bliss."
"Dying with her husband, she sanctifies her maternal and paternal ancestors and the ancestors of him to whom she gave her virginity."
"Such a wife adorning her husband, in celestial felicity with him, greatest and most admired, shall enjoy the delights of heaven while fourteen Indras reign."
"Though a husband had killed a Brahman, broken the ties of gratitude, or murdered a friend she expiates the crime."
-- Wilkins ]
Thus, it is evident that the custom fo sati was introduced by the Aryans since it is encouraged in their scriptures and many goddesses performed the act.
Dr. Lojjik,
Assalam Alaikum
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Can you please tell us what your sources are for these quotes, you so generously supplied.
Why are you hiding your sources?
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On second thoughts, don’t bother. YOu are dealing with a FRee Religion here.
SO hIndus may or may not follow those scriptures!!
Just a comment!
See Andhra, when we question your beliefs and back it up with quotes from your scriptures, you oh so easily proclaim that it's a free religion and that you do not follow the particular ideology. Fair enough!
Then why do you complain when we say that a certain verse is being taken out of context because you seem to have real problems with that?
Andhra doesn't know if he's comin or goin. dis guy's brains more fried than the sati widow.
Can any Hindu or someone answer my question rather than attacking each other?
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than why are indian movies so full of kashmiri terrorists and pakistani terrorists… have they terrorize you so much???
in movies most characters are bought by pakistani terrorists , sometimes even generals…
does that mean…
WE CAN OWN YOU…
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and Indian culture also has so much influence of muslim culture… and I don’t see anything wrong with blending of these two cultures …because… off course, we have lived together for centuries, have same roots, so this blending of culture is quite logical…and should be acceptable as long as it doesnt offend religious matters.