Saddam's WMD never existed, says chief American arms inspector (MERGED)

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David Kay, who stood down yesterday as head of the Bush administration’s hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said that he did not believe that any stockpiles of such weapons ever existed.

Mr Kay’s comments will be an embarrassment for the Bush administration. Earlier this week the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, one of Washington’s most outspoken hawks who led the rallying cry for war insisting that Saddam possessed WMD, said the outcome of the search was not clear. “I think the jury is still out,” he said. “It’s going to take … time to look in all of the cubby holes and ammo dumps in Iraq.”

Despite having the resources of more than 1,000 personnel dedicated to the hunt for such weapons, an interim report issued by Mr Kay in October conceded that no weapons had been found, even though there was evidence Iraq had retained the “template” of a weapons programme.

The Bush administration appears determined to continue its public stance that such weapons could be discovered.

Donald Anderson, the Labour chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said that Mr Kay’s comments posed serious problems for British and American intelligence agencies. “My understanding is that the President and the Prime Minister were acting on intelligence then available [at the time of deciding to go to war]. So this raises very important questions about the quality of that intelligence,” he told BBC’s Newsnight.

A Downing Street spokesman said: “It is important that people are patient and we let the Iraq Survey Group do its work. Their work is continuing and we should await the outcome of that. Our position is unchanged.”

Saddam’s WMD never existed, says chief American arms inspector

Bush and Blair = worlds biggest LIARS

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Re: Bush's Top Weapons Guy in Iraq admits there where no WMDs in Iraq!

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David Kay, who stood down yesterday as head of the Bush administration's hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said that he did not believe that any stockpiles of such weapons **ever existed.
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Thats pretty damning for the Americans and the Britishers. Only the other day Blair was harping about "*Obviously, the weapons were there" in his Parliament. Now, its clear that they were not Obviously in there. And David Kay was repeatedly quoted by Americans to suggest that he is carrying on and will find something and that he has suggested that there are signs of some weapons-related programs (whatever the heck that means).

So, now if its that WMD were never there... its akin to Japanese attacking the Americans in Pearl Harbor and Americans declaring a war on Australia. Sheesh! Al-Qaida/Taliban in Afghanistan carried out the 9/11 attacks (fingers crossed) and US declares war on Iraq.

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What little credibility the Americans and Brits had before has been exposed and blown away.

How can they be surprised when countries in africa, middle east and asia don't belive them and don't trust them when they so openly tell lies then bomb and invade nations based on these lies!

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Re: Bush's Top Weapons Guy in Iraq admits there where no WMDs in Iraq!

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Donald Anderson, the Labour chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said...."this raises very important questions about the quality of that intelligence...." *
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i wish people would stop saying this. It doesn't raise any "important questions" that we don't already have the answers to. We were all LIED to, we were all DECEIVED, we were led as gullible fools into an unnecessary and illegal invasion by two of the world's most hyper-democratic powers on earth. That much is known. Their own weapons officials are coming out and saying WMD "never existed" in Iraq. Well duh. We shouldn't have any more "questions" left to ask - B&B deliberately lied and have kept lying until the present moment. Jeez louise - enough is enough. How many times do we have to have our faces rubbed in the mud - this is getting humiliating. Where's the outrage at this ? We were lied to by two democratic governments and thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives - all based upon a deceit. WMD, nuclear arsenals, biological weapons, chemical gases, yeah - my foot.

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Had there been even the smell of a single WMD let alone a real WMD yankees would be licking Saddys a$$ right now. Bill Richardsons would be on their knees in Baghdad. Monkey would be begging every Tom Dick and Harry along with every other state in the region.

Did I drew the picture of a similar incident in some part of the world? If I did then its a living example and a lesson for naive states not get caught off guard..... Shamless terrorist only understand the language of chappal a nooklear chappal.

On a simiar note Iran backslide on its earlier commitment to suspend its enrichment of uranium they said they have the right to start those centrifuge whenever they want. I bet Iran is the next potential candidate to join the club...

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*David Kay, who stood down yesterday as head of the Bush administration's hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said that he did not believe that any stockpiles of such weapons ever existed. *

What a humiliating slap on the face for the American administration.

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Originally posted by Malik73: *
**David Kay, who stood down yesterday as head of the Bush administration's hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said that he did not believe that any stockpiles of such weapons ever existed. *

What a humiliating slap on the face for the American administration.
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The new guy who is replacing Kay said exactly the same... LOL... what a coincidence. :)

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Come on guys, "there were WMD program related activity going on" which is a threat too... you know when Saddam is talking about WMD after being accused of having one, isn't that related activity? Why would he talk about it? There was some activity in his mind too!

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The Democrats are now calling for an independant commission to investigate President Bush’s justification for war.

Democrat Edwards Wants Iraq War Case Investigation](http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=817041&tw=wn_wire_story) Reuters 24 Jan 04

LACONIA, N.H. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards called on Saturday for an independent commission to investigate if the Bush administration misled the U.S. Congress in making its case for war with Iraq and demanded an end to “war profiteering.” The senator from North Carolina was responding to remarks by former chief U.S. arms hunter David Kay, who told Reuters after stepping down on Friday that he had concluded there were no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons to be found..

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Hey theres something missing on this thread hmmm what is it oh yes i know what it is :slight_smile:

where are the right wing american and pro israeli guppshuppers :confused:

Similar to these WMDs non existent!

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As I said in the big thread.

First this…

Saddam’s WMD never existed, says chief American arms inspector](http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=484185)

Then this…

New US expert said recently he did not believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction](BBC NEWS | Americas | New US expert takes up WMD hunt)

And now this latest bombshell…

Powell casts doubt on Iraq WMDs](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Powell casts doubt on Iraq WMDs)

What credibility do Bush and Blair have left now, or those who supported and defended their policies on the basis of these lies?

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More uncomfortable comments from Kay for the Bush regime to digest…

**U.S. intelligence agencies need to explain why their research indicated Iraq possessed banned weapons before the American-led invasion, says the outgoing top U.S. inspector, who now believes Saddam Hussein had no such arms. “I don’t think they exist,” David Kay said Sunday. “The fact that we found so far the weapons do not exist — we’ve got to deal with that difference and understand why.” **](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)

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I remember, before the war, when UN was going through the inspections, and Saddam's ministers were constantly saying "there are no weapons, look all you want"... Bush will smirk and say "they are lying. He is lying for ten years. How can we trust anything he says. Where did all the weapons go?". Now, we really know where these weapons went... they were never there!!! Guess, who was lying!

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knock knock Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo is anyone awake amongst the US public? Where is the outrage? People were lied at by your own most democratic, most freedom-loving government.

Are we all in some sort of drug-induced stupor ? Have we forgotten Powell’s multimedia theatrics at the Security Council, Dubby’s S. Union speech last year, Blair’s “45 minutes” deployment comment … is anyone wake ? We were all LIED to. Who can believe A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G that comes out from this administration now.

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Nadia everyone new it was a sham, but the thing is 'we' caught saddam, don't you see...we caught saddam!!!!

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oh yes, the man caught in the hole. Saddam is caught and pictures broadcasted of his throat being checked by a US doctor. That justifies everything - all the lies, the hypocrisies, the cursing of Blix and his team, the deceits, the falsehoods. i can sleep a happy person tonight.

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the cursing of Blix and his team...
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To be conistent they should be cursing David Kay and Colin Powell as well now?

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Nadia,

Rant on.

Nobody cares.

Have you been listening for the past year?

Saddam was a murderer, a genocidal tyrant, an egomaniacal president for life. To Americans, this was not about WMD. I have been telling you this for a year, and you are not absorbing it.... You guys blow us off as "not so Average" Americans, but we have been telling you all along that this was about Saddam, and the WMD is just the flash point. Because you are apparently still not listening, I will explain it one more time. Saddam has a real passion for weapons. If he did not have WMD now, he would almost certainly start up again once sanctions were removed. He had been proven over and over again by the inspectors to be a liar, and his denials simply had no credibility to American ears.

The American people would have gone to war to remove Saddam with or without WMD. Powell and perhaps Bush Sr. counselled on the needs of the international community to form a coalition before they could remove Saddam. The WMD was the only issue where there could have been and should have been some consensus.

Nobody, but nobody, actually believed that Saddam was capable of telling the truth. By not allowing scientists to meet with the inspectors without minders, and without allowing them to be questioned outside of the country, Saddam appeared deceptive.

And yeah, Saddam is gone. It was not Bush that made "Regime Change" official poilcy of the US, it was Clinton.

(Now, given the level of interest in this subject, why did the US not "plant" evidence?)

so whoopee, there were no weapons. The evidence of his other atrocities is well documented. Sort of a no - lose proposition.

But it is driving you guys bonkers HUH?

The release of this information THROUGH David Kay is very wise. Bush will not apologize for anything. It will be handled through a series of low level admissions, and there will be no big shocking revelations. This slow bleeding of information will cushion the shock, and the American people will absorb it and adapt. As soon as the Congress authorized action, this political hot potato cooled off to room temp.

Now continute the rant....

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aw you hurt my feelings, OG :teary1: Nobody cares? Yeah i am used to that on this Forum. People tend to have quite a few blinkers on particularly when it comes to believing the rants of their own respective governments.

Yeah yeah yeah he’s a dictator, yes yes yes i have heard that many times. Too bad Dubby’s daddy didn’t oust him when he had a chance :frowning: Or perhaps we can go back even further in history… like around the 80s. Now now, don’t worry, i won’t mention any embarassing photos of Rummy shaking someone’s hand, and i won’t even mention the embarassing weapons sales from particular countries [yes we know the Europeans are culpable as well].

But hmmm let’s see… if dictators was the argument, then why weren’t we told that upfront by honest Georgey? Or let’s start ousting all tyrants and dictators shall we. We can start with the House of Saud if that’s alright with you?

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The American people would have gone to war to remove Saddam with or without WMD.
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You are making a rather big assumption, without any basis, and one which defies all logic. And unfortunately one which can not be proven now, one way or the other, unless we can go back in time.

If WMD was really not the core issue then are you saying it was touted as such (Powell speech, Bush's constant repetition "he is lying, he is lying", insisting on unrestricted UN inspections and the whole works) solely for the consumption of international coalition-building purposes? A coalition that never really happened, anyway, as UN never blessed the war (First Gulf War), nor did NATO (Serbia), as anyone can see the case for war was flimsy. Even by throwing everything they had in the mix (gassing his people, attacking his neighbors, WMD's which will be given to terrorists etc etc), the support for war was in low double-digits in Europe, almost through-out.

And the people in US were grudgingly for war solely because of 9/11 and that they had seen the devastation and were somehow led to believe that given an opportunity Iraq will provide WMD's to Osama's group and they will launch another attack on US soil. A position which is doubly faulted, cz #1 Osama had no sympathy for Saddam and #2 Iraq had no WMD's to start with. Otherwise tyranny of middle-eastern or African rulers neither starts from Saddam nor ends there. Even right now, some of US' closest allies, the sheikhs of Middle East will be exposed as the most fearsome tyrants once their monarchies will end. And many amongst them have no love lost with Uncle Sam, either. But that doesn't make them any more a candidate for war or sponsors of terrorism in foreign countries.

Iraq was used as a whipping boy to teach the world a lesson... bow to American wishes or be prepared to face the direst consequences. Afghanistan was too much into shambles so the lesson was not effective. Althought the post-war mess in Iraq is probably not giving out quite the right message at this point for the US policy-makers.