Mr. Saddam Hussain :-
Welcome to the Greatest democracy in the world.
Great job by American Sodiers. Let's catch the other terrorist soon. :)
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*Originally posted by Sanath: *
Mr. Saddam Hussain :-
Welcome to the Greatest democracy in the world.
Great job by American Sodiers. Let's catch the other terrorist soon. :)
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so the global policeman hits again!!!
^Yes, Terrorists of the world beware !! If you attack USA, You can't run forever, you can't hide forever. We will come and get you.
Long Live USA !! :)
^ I thought Saddam was an out of control pigeon coming home to roost and not a terrorist?
He's as about as Iraqi as Bush and if the resistance gives up it's legitmate struggle as a result of this 'staged' event I'll eat my shoe including the laces.
Jubilation at Saddam's capture should not be mistaken as acceptance of occupation
"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him." Those were the words spoken by Paul Bremer following the capture of Saddam Hussein near Tikrit Saturday. It was met with jubilation by the assembled media and spontaneous outbursts of rapid gunfire in Baghdad and throughout Iraq. Journalists declared that this was a momentous occasion in recent history, to the extent that every leader wanted a piece of the limelight, even the opportunist President of France. Just like the ‘liberation’ of Iraq was heralded as a vindication of the West’s war, the capture of Saddam was viewed as a vital result at a time where ‘successes’ are thin on the ground. Bush is gearing up for his election campaign, as attacks on US troops continue, and as Blair is still being grilled about the convenient absence of WMD and other domestic concerns, it seems that Christmas has come early.
Whilst all of this is happening, the colonialist nations are counting on the prevailing atmosphere to change the position of the Muslims regarding their occupation of Iraq. It is at this time that we have to be even clearer of our stance and the view of Islam.
Firstly, the capture of Saddam is no great loss to the Muslims. Far from being the champion of Islam, he actively worked against those calling for Islam. His torture and murder did not confine itself to one section, rather all sections bore the brunt of his Western sponsored terror campaign.
Secondly, the reported jubilation at the capture of Saddam does not mean approval of what replaced his demise. Rather it is satisfaction of his capture and nothing more. The claim that this will somehow dent the movement fighting the occupation army is laughable. An indicator of the scepticism must be understood in light of Blair’s speech announcing his capture. He called upon those Muslims who actively take part in resistance against the occupiers to cease their activities and to place their effort behind the coalition authority. This was followed by downplaying of an immediate cessation in fighting the occupation. The claim that these actions are being conducted by Ba’aath loyalists is one that has been dispelled on numerous occasions, it is in the interests of the colonialists to maintain this mendacious explanation.
Thirdly, Muslims need to be clear that the US plans to leave Iraq next June are in fact an illustration of US deception. The US may cut back on its troop numbers, but the colonialist hold over Iraq in all sectors are envisaged to continue for generations to come. This includes changing of its constitution, appointment of people the US approves of for the interim authority, privatising companies which are then opened up to US companies to control as well as making Iraq dependent upon the US in every other sphere.
Fourthly, Muslims the world over must realise that although it is correct that the Muslims of Iraq stand firm against the occupiers, this is different from resolving the occupation. The ending of occupation requires a state for the Muslims. This is for two reasons:
(a) The reality illustrates that it is only a state that is based on Islam that will be able to present a defence against those who have sights on our lands. It is this state that will have the power to organise a unified stance against occupation, which will be able to muster an army to prevent occupation, can use the apparatus of a state to challenge the picture of events the West paints and can effectively present the Islamic view globally.
(b) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) has commanded ahkam (laws) for people to apply. Islam sets the measure for how the reality should be and commands the Muslims to ensure it is translated to reality. This is best illustrated by the focus of the Messenger (SalAllahu alaihi wasallam) who mobilised the Muslims towards the establishment of Islam. He showed through his actions that he was working to change the situation. It was not a fluke that after 13 years of struggle that Islam was represented by a state in Medina. It was as a result of a series of steps that Allah commanded.
It is this Islamic state that the Muslims must aim to establish, and this must follow the steps that Rasool Allah (salAllahu alaihi wasallam) enacted with vigour and despite the easier options he could have undertaken to avoid the persecution. It is this method which aims at solidifying a particular mindset based upon Islam amongst the people, which challenges the prevalent corrupted thoughts and thinking and which reminds those with the power of their covenant with Allah, and their duty to transfer the reigns of power and their allegiances from the system of Kufr to the system of Islam.
It is this Khilafah, achieved through following the method of Rasool Allah (salAllahu alaihi wasallam) that is the salvation for this Ummah. The Muslims are obliged to work towards it through intellectual and political work, without due consideration to those who wish to thwart it and bypassing those who are the willing agents diverting the attentions of the Muslims away from this solution which Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) commanded.
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It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it prevail over all other ways of life even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). [TMQ Al-Taubah: 32-33]
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*Originally posted by Sanath: *
^Yes, Terrorists of the world beware !! If you attack USA, You can't run forever, you can't hide forever. We will come and get you.
Long Live USA !! :)
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but as I understand, and what Bush and Blair say.. that this guy killed his own people!! Iragis and Kurds... don't know when you declared Iraq 51st state!!
interesting...
*now that saddam hussein has been caught its time for the coalition to get its big unwanted greasy backside out of iraq.
and secondly bush and blair the 2 colonial goons should also be tried alongside saddam for war crimes as bush and bliar started an illegal war, based on their make belief excuse/reason of iraq having wmd’s which r no-existent.
they went against u.n’s decision and invaded a country illegally just becoz they wanted to over-throw saddam’s empire and the best excuse the american intelligence could come up with was iraq or saddam had wmd’s :nono: :yukh: which has been a bluff all along.
ok they got the ‘ace of spades’ but bush’s primary ilzaam was iraq had wmd’s and we’ll ‘smoke saddam out with his weapons of mass distruction blah blah blah… at the mo’ it’s all hunky-e-dory in the western camps but every 1 is forgetting bush and blair r war criminals 2, punish them to let them ‘face justice 2’, eat ur words bushy 
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the irony of this whole iraq issue is america backed saddam 15 odd years ago when iraq had went 2 war with iran and america agreed with saddam and told him to bomb iran etc where was the justice then… bloody munafik’s the lot of em’
peace 
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^Yes, Terrorists of the world beware !! If you **attack USA*, You can't run forever, you can't hide forever. We will come and get you.
Long Live USA !! :)
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oh boy, when did that happen? I was out of town only for one week, what happened? How did Iraq attack US? Where and what weapons (WMDs?) were used? Anyone please fill me in....
Cartoon: enjoy.
Saddam’s hole away from home was infested with rats and mice, how fitting…
Inside the small, walled compound, Odierno said, soldiers found a small, two-room adobe hut that included a kitchen with running water. Inside the hut, soldiers found clothes – some still in their packaging – and outside, beneath a rug covering a piece of Styrofoam, they found the entrance to the hole where Saddam was hiding.
Sanchez said the “spider hole” had a rudimentary ventilation system and was infested with mice and rats
When the soldiers first found Saddam, he raised his hands above his head, military officials said.
**“I am Saddam Hussein,” he said, according to the officials. “I am the president of Iraq and I want to negotiate.” **
**The U.S. soldiers reportedly responded: “President Bush sends his regards.” **
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/15/sprj.irq.main/index.html
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Stop nagging, thats not why they waged the war, the war was about WMDs, where are they? As long as they dont have them it was an illegal war no matter what.
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Yes,it was illegitimate, so what? We can't do anything else besides whining and moaning. Is it not better that at least they have removed the brutal regime of Saddam?
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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Good for the Iraqi people. Good for the Kurds. Good for the Shia's. Good for the Marsh Arabs. Good for the Kuwaiti's. Good for the families of those who have had relatives killed and imprisoned.
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good for all iraqis except those who directly benefitted from this regime.
Good for them. True. The question is though, are they any better off now compared to before?
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*Originally posted by Dhulfiqar: *
They were saying on the news that they did DNA tests, which showed it really is him.
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A few months ago they were saying that they didn't have any Saddam DNA.
Now they do.
I suppose they most have obtained DNA of his sons and there was a match.
Saddam looked very tired in the T.V. videos. Perhaps he was tired of running. I have never seen photographs of Saddam wearing a beard, yet at Al Jezzera there was an article talking about the humiliation of Saddam having his beard shaved??? I myself hadn't seen those pictures.
I don't think the videos shown of him with military doctor poking at him were the right type of photos to show and not very classy. Perhaps though, they were searching for some kind of suicide drug like Hitler's cronies used.
I don't think the U.S. needed to humiliate Saddam. He was the leader of Iraq and at one time thought of as friend to U.S. interests. IMHO humiliating him is an act of spite, and I think probobly offensive to some Arabs. After all, we in the U.S. raised a ruckus about media showing our captured soldiers, so it seems a double standard. I do think photographs needed to be shown of course so that people would believe he is truly no longer a threat, but could have been shown with a bit more class.
Not that I supported Saddam in anyway, he was evil man and will get what he deserves.
Just that his capture is more important than showing him humilated and could have been done in a way that sheds positive light on the U.S. and in a way less offensive towards angry masses.
CM the question is do they have a better chance of being better off then they were. I dont know how much better off they are or if at all at this point in time, but I think there is a better chances for ordinary iraqis to have a good future now then if status quo would have remained. It all now depends on how well the transition is done.
I hope we have learnt our lessons from post soviet war afghanistan, and even with the Karzai experiment to make sure that the country is left in a stable condition with the right processes and institutions in place to run the country by Iraqis.
Average, they were giving him a medical checkup, what was humiliating is that he was found hiding in a hole with rats.
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Average, they were giving him a medical checkup, what was humiliating is that he was found hiding in a hole with rats.
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^with rats or like a rat?
Both actually.
Bush did comment on this fact.. something to the effect of.. "We know that when trouble came you chose to dig out a hole and crawl into it"..