Everything according to the PTV and Dawn - Nothing reported in any other newspapers in the world :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rumsfield dismisses vicious rumors against Pakistan by India.
No al-Qaeda presence in Pakistan: Moin
By our correspondent
LAHORE: Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider has refuted Lieutenant-General Dan McNeill’s claim regarding the presence of al-Qaeda network in Pakistan saying that the general’s information is incorrect. :smash:
Talking to The News on telephone from Karachi on Sunday, the minister said: “al-Qaeda is not in Pakistan but in Afghanistan where the US and its allied countries are fighting war against terrorism.”
Moin said the security network of Pakistan was unbreachable and no al-Qaeda terrorist was able to enter in Pakistan. “A very small group of al-Qaeda, which was hiding in Pakistan, has already been busted and now there is no place for al-Qaeda members to hide in Pakistan.” The security agencies of Pakistan act promptly whenever they get any information regarding terrorist groups, the Interior Minister maintained.
Talking about the coming elections, he said the government would allow holding of big rallies, but on designated spots and no political party would be allowed to disturb routine life. To a question about the visit of European Union observers for the general elections, the minister said, “there is no such move at present but if the government forms a policy in this regard, my ministry will invite observers.”
To another question regarding merger of FIA into NAB, the minister disclosed that the points of view of Interior Ministry and NAB were different over the issue. He further disclosed that the issue would be taken up in a meeting chaired by the President Musharraf on September 2, 2002.
PT, From the same paper
Al-Qaeda now in Pakistan, says US general
Jhooth bolay kaua katay
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Are Talwar Bhai - Itne jor ka Thappar !!! thoda rehm karo becharon par
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**PT, From the same paper*
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The same paper declined the news :p
Jhooth bolay kaua katay
Where did I lied about that?
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Pappu, you are so lost. US general says Al-Qaidea in Pak.
Moin declined this news.
Can’t you understand this?
Oh Btw, we’ll let Indians to go after Al-Qaidea if they really want to in Tribal areas;)
Dude,
Moin Haider declined it. I never said you lied mian. It was Mr. Moin who is lying
First he says no Al-Qaeda is in Pakistan, the he keeps blaming Al Qaeda for attacks in Pak, for example -
He needs to make up his story
If no Al-Qaeda is in Pak, then you cannot blame Al Qaeda for attacks within Pakistan.
QED
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Dude,
Moin Haider declined it. I never said you lied mian. It was Mr. Moin who is lying ;)**
Duh, you posted one month old article, proving what?
LJ wasn't a part of Al-Qaidea. They became when Musharraf banned these extremists group a month ago before 9-11. Musharraf became more hard on these extremists after 9-11. There is certainly a possibility Al-Qaieda behind Terrorist attack in Pakistan. But there presence in Pakistan are most likely to be Tribal Areas, where Pakistanis can't go. Even the brits didn't go to that part when they ruled India.
Tribal Area doesn't know as the part of Pakistan neither it is known as a Administrated area like Azad Kashmir. Those people have their own Govt.
Understood?
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and here goes a bomb on Indians 
Pakistan Tells U.S. To Look Harder For Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan
ISLAMABAD – Pakistan on Monday rejected U.S. military assessments that up to 1,000 Al-Qaeda fighters are at large on its soil, and accused U.S.-led forces of failing to search hard enough for the extremists in Afghanistan.
“We don’t think that putting an estimate of 1,000 could be anywhere near correct,” military spokesman Major General Rashid Qureshi told AFP.
Qureshi was responding to estimates by the American general heading the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan that there were now “hundreds, maybe even a thousand” Al-Qaeda fighters at large in neighboring Pakistan, while less than a thousand were left in Afghanistan.
Lieutenant-General Dan McNeill, the commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan, made the comments in an interview with AFP at the weekend, but added that he had no “substantive information” to back up his figures.
Pakistan’s Qureshi rejected McNeil’s estimates as a “guestimate” without any evidence, and said the United States should look closer for Al-Qaeda in the original theater of its operations in Afghanistan.
**"What he (McNeil) is basing his assessment on is the fact that the U.S. forces have been unable to find Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
“It doesn’t mean they are not there (in Afghanistan), it’s just that the U.S. forces haven’t scoured every inch and corner of the country’s very difficult terrain. Neither the coalition nor ISAF have much presence across the countryside. There is very difficult terrain that they haven’t visited.”**
Hundreds of Al-Qaeda fighters are thought to have crossed the border into Pakistan from the southeastern border province of Paktia in the aftermath of operation Anaconda in March, the largest coalition offensive of the 10-month campaign.
Pakistan has since been conducting its own operations against the extremist fighters, using some 6,000 of its own troops assisted by at least a dozen U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation intelligence and communications experts.
Witnesses have recounted seeing U.S. agents taking part in some of the raids on suspected Al-Qaeda hideouts, including the raid that netted Al-Qaeda Chief Osama bin Laden’s key Lieutenant Abu Zubayda in February.
However, Islamabad says there are no U.S. combat forces operating in Pakistan.
Qureshi said the majority of Al-Qaeda fighters who had slipped over the porous mountainous border in the wake of U.S.-led operations had either been arrested or killed in raids.
Pakistani forces had arrested “about 400” Al-Qaeda fugitives from Afghanistan since the U.S.-led campaign to wipe out the militant network began in October, he said.
Qureshi declined to put his own estimate on the number of Al-Qaeda fighters still at large in Pakistan, but said “even estimates of hundreds” were too high.
“We can’t be 100 percent certain that everyone of Al-Qaeda who slipped over into Pakistan are under arrest,” Qureshi added. “But to make estimates… I don’t think (McNeil) is basing it on anything other than the fact they’ve been unable to find them in Afghanistan.” “If I were in his position I would keep searching and finding Al-Qaeda rather than giving estimates.”
McNeil complained that efforts to wipe out Al-Qaeda were now more complicated because of “indicators” of sympathy for the militants in parts of Pakistan, where the U.S.-led coalition does not have the right to conduct combat missions.
Qureshi conceded that tribal residents were supportive of fleeing Afghans, including ex-Taleban, because of their shared Pashtun ethnicity, but insisted that there was virtually no support for “foreigners” escaping into Pakistan.
"If they’re non-Afghans, foreigners, straight away to the best of my knowledge most of the tribal people have assisted our troops in arresting them and handing them over," he said. “We have had one or two who were not arrested and were given protection, by some tribal people.”
Those people, he said, had since had their houses demolished by authorities in accordance with local tribal laws.
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Ah yes, the Indian dream :)
George Fernandez the man that ordered 3000 body bags and 500 aluminium coffins for the Indian soldiers says Osama is Pakistan.
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PT, its 500,000.
PT, I agree with your government, there is no Al qaeda by its name in Pakistan. But, past reports had estimated the strength of the united front (Al Qaeda) estimated at nearly 60,000, of whom 40,000 plus were Pakistani nationals serving in the Taliban as well as in the five Pakistani organisations---namely, the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM), which was designated by the US as a foreign terrorist organisation in October, 1997, the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), which was designated by the US as a foreign terrorist organisation in December, 2001, the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), which was also designated by the US as a foreign terrorist organisation in December, 2001, the Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami (HUJI), which has not yet been so designated despite its being the most active and the most ruthless of the Pakistani terrorist organisations born in the 1980s and the closest to the Taliban and the Al Qaeda, and the Sipah-e-Sahaba, a Sunni extremist organisation. These organisations had their own training camps in Afghan territory, which were kept separate from those of Al Qaeda and where training was imparted to the cadres of the organisations by Arab instructors from the Al Qaeda's 055 Brigade.
Of these, the HUM was a founding-member of the International Islamic Front and its leader Fazlur Rahman Khalil had co-signed bin Laden's first fatwa against the US and Israel in 1998. The other Pakistani organisations joined the Front later. During the most active phase of the fighting in Afghanistan, these five Pakistani organisations sustained fatal casualties of about 8,000, with the HUJI suffering the largest number. No definitive estimate is available of the number of Pakistanis taken prisoner by the US and the Northern Alliance, but tentative estimates indicate their number at about 1,000. Excluding the fatal casualties and those taken prisoner, the surviving Pakistani nationals in the five Pakistani organisations, should be about 30,000 plus.
So, you should say that there is no al qaeda at present active in Pakistan, but they are there.
If your Minister Moin and all of you remember, in a botched-up operation at Azam Warsak in South Waziristan on June 26, 2002, a raiding party of the Pakistani Army and the South Waziristan Scouts raided in an incredibly casual manner a suspected hide-out of the Al Qaeda. The suspected members of the Al Qaeda (about 35) managed to escape, leaving behind two dead bodies, after killing two officers and eight other ranks of the Pakistani Security Forces. The GHQ in Rawalpindi put out that the Al Qaeda members involved in the exchange of fire were Chechen followers of bin Laden. Where are they now? Have they left Pakistan or are all caught?
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The GHQ in Rawalpindi put out that the Al Qaeda members involved in the exchange of fire were Chechen followers of bin Laden. Where are they now? Have they left Pakistan or are all caught?
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According the Muslim burning government of India, they are in Indian held Kashmir :)
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*Originally posted by 2bornot2b: *
According the Muslim burning government of India, they are in Indian held Kashmir :)
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i think you are trivialising the gujarat tragedy .
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i think you are trivialising the gujarat tragedy .
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Only a saffron warrior trying to hide something would say that!!
How can you trivialize over 2000 Muslims burnt to death and over one hundred thousand forced to live in refugee camps.
According to your Muslim burning government anything bad that happens in India including Advani or Vajpayee farting, is blamed on ISI and alleged infiltrators from Pakistan.
rvikz, have you managed to find out yet which school the Muslims burning hindus of Gujarat attend?
when family members kill each other it is loss for the whole family
we are brothers killing each other . we have the same blood .
so dont try to expolit our misery and sufferring and pour fuel over
fire.
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According the Muslim burning government of India, they are in Indian held Kashmir :)
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Nice deflection from main subject. BTW did you get the number of coffins - 500,000.