Role Of Saudia In Islamic World

[sokoon]

Dear Readers,

Hi!!

How is saudia taking part to solve muslims problems now? Bye
Sokoon

[At-Tawheed]

In the first part as service to Islam, the Saudi government has done a tremendous job when it comes to the practice of the Islamic concept of Tawheed.

Yeah. Do you mean by tremendous job when they made Halal into Haram? Do you mean when they accepted the U.N. and the ‘Arab League as their Legislator besides Allaah? So much for their Tawheed. They are a bunch of Mushrikeen who have gone against the Sovereignty of Allaah.

Article 70:

International treaties, agreements, regulations and concessions are approved and amended by Royal decree.

Article 83:

This law may only be amended in the same way as it was promulgated.

http://www.uni-wuerzburg.de/law/sa00000_.html

http://www.un.org/Overview/growth.htm

was for Muslims to practice no Shirk and worship only Allah, especially in Saudi Arabia. The concept of stopping Mushrikeen from entering the two holy places is well established by all Islamic school of thoughts. Yet the practice of other religions in other parts of Saudi kingdom is still a political issue, which I will discuss later.

Dear Brother/Sister MiniMe:

The Narrations do not mention the Holy Lands, but mention the whole Arabian Peninsula.

Saheeh Muslim - Book 019, Number 4366:

It has been narrated by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

al-Muwatta - Book 45, Number 45.5.18:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allaah said “Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula.”

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allaah had said ‘Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,’ and he therefore expelled the Jews from Khaybar."

So the fact that there are Crusaders in the Arabian Peninsula is another thorn in the throats of the Believers! The Cross Worshipper Crusaders sing their hyms and words of Shirk in the Jazeerah. The Rawafid are in the Madeenah cursing the Companions and making Du’a to ‘Alee etc. They (the Saaloolee Goverment) have abandoned the Commands of the Messenger.

The effort spent for publishing Quran, establishing Islamic universities and schools all over the world and the amount spent on mosques are very positive contributions to Islam.

Big deal. Penguin Publishers here publish the Translation of the Quraan as well. The Governments here build the so-called Masajid too and give money towards their buildings.

As Sheikh Abu Muhammad said, the Government is very deceitful. They are very willing in promoting certain aspects of Tawheed such as the Shirk of Grave Worshipping and they will spend money on publishing the books on this matter and are very eager to do this. Why? It takes the attention away from the Shirk they are committing. The same books they publish written by Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab and other Scholars, the same Authors have books and articles written about the Shirk and Kufr of those who take the Kuffar as their close friends and allies, about the Shirk of the one who makes Halal into Haram and those who legislate etc.

And even this issue of Shirk by grave worshiping and calling to other than Allaah is being abolished by Aalis-Sa’ud. Since, our Sheikh Sulayman al-‘Ulwan, may Allaah hasten his release from the prisons of His enemies, was arrested a while ago for speaking against the Shee’ah who were found grave worshipping.

Many people take the Saudi kingdom as an Islamic government, yet it’s an Islamic government just because they are Muslims, but as a government its far from any Islamic principle

It is not an Islaamic Government. And they are by Allaah not Muslimeen. An Islaamic Government is one which rules in total by the Laws of Allaah and does not commit Shirk and Kufr. It does not take legislators besides Allaah.

The people in Hijaz and Najad (two largest population area) follow the Hanbli School of Islamic jurisprudence, which is by far the more puritan Islamic school of thought. So the Saudi royal family to circumvent this has created an political alliance with the Al Shaikh family (desentends of Abdul Wahab,) who are given all the authority to run the courts and judicial system and hence providing protection to the Al Saud.

That’s a strange statement. The Imam Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab was a Hanbalee himself and so were his grandsons.

So the Saudi royal family to circumvent this has created an political alliance with the Al Shaikh family (desentends of Abdul Wahab,) who are given all the authority to run the courts and judicial system and hence providing protection to the Al Saud.

Erm, no. Actually, if you look to the call of Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab (rahimahullah) you will see he keeps his talk to a minimum and lets the Quraan and Sunnah do the talking and the Scholars of the past. If you look to his works and the works of his sons and grand sons, you will see their opinions are based upon the Book and Sunnah upon the understanding of the Pious Predecessors.

Unfortunately, today, the Grand Mufti, Mr. ‘Abdul-‘Azeez has left the Da’wah of Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab. He has allied himself with Aalis-Sa’ud and has issued Fatawa for them which call on the Muslims to obey the Leader of Kufr. May Allaah Guide this blind man. Aameen.

Also if you look, the previous Mufti ash-Sheikh Ibnu Baaz, he was not from the family of Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab.

The family of Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab are not given

all the authority to run the courts and judicial system and hence providing protection to the Al Saud

as you say.

Honestly, and Allaah Knows best, were Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahaab and the rest of the Aa’immah of the Najdi Da’wah to be alive today, they would have shunned Aalis-Sa’ud of today as Apostates. They were sincere Muwahideen, teaching the people Tawheed. And that was their main concern, the Tawheed.

1981 Juhaiman incident was originally a call to puritan form, which was crushed by allowing “French” troops in the holy mosque, later duped as Pakistani troops.

May Allaah have mercy upon Imam Juhayman al-‘Utaybi and accept him amongst the Martyrs. I thought that occurred in late 1979 and then he and the Mujahideen with him were beheaded in 1980?

May Allaah raise another Juhayman and make him succesful this time in cleansing the filth of Kuffur and Shirk from the blessed lands of our Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam.

[At-Tawheed]

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bs bs bs..long live the mujahideens.
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Indeed, Aameen.

“There will never cease to exist a group from my Ummah, establishing the order of Allah. Those who forsake them or oppose them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allah comes and they are apparent (and over powering) upon the people”

al-Bukhaaree and Muslim.

“This Deen will never depart from being established, so long as there is a band from the Muslims fighting for it, until the hour is established.”

Muslim.

“There will never cease to exist a group from my Ummah fighting upon the truth, over-powering until the day of resurrection.”

Muslim.

“There will never cease to exist a band from my Ummah, fighting for the decree of Allah, over-powering their enemy, they will not be harmed by those who oppose them, until the hour approaches them and they are upon it (i.e. fighting for the truth)”

Muslim.

“There will never cease to exist a group from my Ummah fighting upon the truth, over-powering those hostile to them, until the last of them fights al-Maseeh ad-Dajjaal”

[Seminole]

^ That sure is a lot of fighting that you claim God intends for his followers to engage in. It sounds more like marching orders for an army than spiritual guidance from the Almighty.

[antiobl]

Re: Role Of Saudia In Islamic World

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The main key to problems for muslims is saudi government. .....
Sokoon
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Cmon! Sista!
Blaming Royal family for everything is utterly false. They simply obeyed Mullah-Aya-Tullah nexus and got into big doodoo.

They now are trying to crawl out of the hole and I am sure they will. I hope they kick the beardos out of their government once and for all.

They are now stronger than ever (unless something is cooking that I'm unware off). They will kick the Araab terrorist A$$$.

Saudi Arabia may not become the Switzerland of MidEast (Well it is too hot to begin with ;)) but they will do OK.

Pakistanis should quit blaming Saudi government and try getting rid of their own beardos.

Time to kick terrorist A$$

[sokoon]

DearAntiobl,

Hi!!

I do not think they are that intelligent, they are the same as our mughal kings who ruled 900 years. They dam care about Islam.I guess, At-Towheed is right, in saying that to them.

When normal muslims are so careless and do not think for Islam then how come you expect the kings to be caring of religion. They only care how much they have sold oil and how much they would spend this holidays. Bye sokoon

[antiobl]

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DearAntiobl,

Hi!!

I do not think they are that intelligent, ....
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Dear Sokoon,
I'd agree on that. They were not intelligent to foresee the aftereffects of supporting Sunni militants all over the world. They are not intelligent enough to improve the unjust economic system of SA.

OTOH they are now intelligent enough to nip Jihadi evil and stop the flow of money to overseas Jihadi outfits. Their police and army seem to be doing OK in killing and capturing Saudi terrorists. I hope they remain strong enough and put all the beardos in the jails or graves (whichever comes first).

Pakistani army should be prepared to step in if Saudi government (God forbid) fails to control the menace.

bye bye

AntiOBL