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religions are so unfair to humanity.
What about humanity not being fare to religions?
It’s not the religion that is the problem. It’s the follower.
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I don't consider bhuddism, hinduism, sikhism to be divine....I believe they were created by man.
so then, how does that justify the thought of "religions are so unfair to humanity". In the case above, wouldn't "humanity be cruel to religions"?
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"The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism." - Gore Vidal
Monotheism is but imperialism in religion.
X-com, all those “ism” you see out there, they were/are created by man.
Religions are good. Let me tell you why:
Doesn’t matter who you are, christian, Jew, Muslim, all those ideologies would tell you GOOD things to do and avoid the bad things. Now when you know, certain things are good for me, and certain things are bad and shouldn’t be done - when YOU do those things which shouldn’t be done and YOU KNOW they shouldn’t be done - than whos fault is it? YOU or the Religions? I think, its you, lets put the blaim on ourselves.
Religions do not tell you to fool other people of their property, money, etc.
Religions rob and steal other people’s things.
Religions do not tell you to kill each other.
Religions do not tell you to be cause corruption in the land.
Religions do not tell you to all those bad things that you do.
Its the choices that YOU make, weather they are right or wrong, it solely depends on you.
[YOU] take it easy now.
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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)
SO in conclusion, it is the HUMAN NATUREfinding something else to blame all its worries.
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Originally posted by queer:
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they divide us, and make us fight. any division based on birth is a screwed up one, and religion is the worst of the lot. atleast race distinctions are palpable, and are very often separated geographically, while the religious barrier divides even sons of one land. all of them claim to unite humans, while in course of time all that happens is more divisions and more fights. do we really need them religions?
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As people have pointed out here, religion is not a division based on birth. Religion is based on the understanding and knowledge of a person.
People keep asking do we need religion? This question is asked mostly by the so-called “humanitarians”. What people forget is that there would not be much wisdom without religion. The Ten Commandments seem so logical that we forget that without religion we would not have them. All the laws of the world are based on laws that were given to men through religion.
What people forget is that there would not be much wisdom without religion. The Ten Commandments seem so logical that we forget that without religion we would not have them. All the laws of the world are based on laws that were given to men through religion.
Not true, religion has been with us from time immorial but human rights legislation has only been introduced 50 years ago. God always had more rights than human beings and many human beings were killed in order to protect God.
NYA, very interesting and thought provoking quotation.
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Originally posted by Rani:
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Not true, religion has been with us from time immorial but human rights legislation has only been introduced 50 years ago.
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If you think that Islam does not mention human rights, you are wrong. Mohammed (PUBH) even talked about rights of animals.
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Originally posted by Rani:
God always had more rights than human beings and many human beings were killed in order to protect God.
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In order to protect God??? The reason for religious wars is to protect mans right to worship.
*If you think that Islam does not mention human rights, you are wrong. Mohammed (PUBH) even talked about rights of animals. *
Islam talks about the right of Muslims only and clearly states that non-muslims will burn in hell fire.
In order to protect God??? The reason for religious wars is to protect mans right to worship.
Nobody was preventing people from worshipping. Religious wars were waged to force invading tribes way of worship on others. Even today in some countries citizens are given death sentence for saying anything against God or his Prophets.
The issue of non-muslims burning in hell is with Allah (swt) only and pertains to life after death.
Islam gives full protection to non-muslims in this world.
Again, I am speaking of Islam. No need to give me examples of what certain people/nations do.
Hindus and Christians are no less guilty of such crimes as well.
Is it right - NO.
queer and Ullu:
Your present excellent arguments but you forget that religions are based not on logic or reasons, but faith. Faith is often rationalized using circular reasoning that goes something like this:
(1) I believe that Allah is the only god and the ultimate truth
(2) Preaching of Islam is Allah’s words, therefore beyond question
(3) Islam teaches that Muslims are the only pious people on this Earth
(4) I am a Muslim
(5) Therefore, I am more pious than believers of other religions
It’s effectively another way of saying,” I believe that I am more pious than others. Therefore, I am.”
You can knock your head against the wall all you want to, but don’t expect to change the minds of a fundamentalist, be they Christian or Muslim or Hindu.
Faith is a good thing if one uses one's faith to better oneself and be happy, but the problem arises when religion is used to propogate hate, which is more often the case.
Someone once said, "God gave man the religion and the Devil organized it." I beleive that's often very true.
Well, since this topic has been brought up again, I must say, I like, and am impressed by my own reply back on Oct 02, so I think it's worth repeating:
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Or it could be argued that religion is just another excuse for humanity to fight over something. I think that most wars are fought over resources these days. After all, USA has troops stationed all over the world today with a massive presence in the Gulf region. And despite huge differences in belief and human rights, America and the sheikhdoms are best buddies.
Pakistan is also in quite close alliance with China, despite it being a communist regime, USA backed fundamentalist Afghans against Russia, so this idea that religion is the only dividing factor might be a bit simplistic.
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** 'We satisfy our selfish needs and justify our bloody deeds... in the name of religion and the name of God' **
I don't know where I heard that.. but It's been with me for a long time..
It is not religion that causes wars and devides humanity, it is our own selfishness, greed and hunger for power and control. Except that we use religion as a scape-goat for our own wrong-doing.
There have been enough battles and wars in the world which have nothing to do with faith. Take the massacres in Rwanda a few years back. Two tribes (tutsi and Hutu), both black, from the same region of the world, the same faith. And thousands were killed on both sides because they were from different tribes and one was more dominant than the other.
The bottom line is that at the moment all this killing and division within the human race is blamed on religion, simply because faith is the easiest thing to blame. If you think that the human race would be more 'united' or there would be no more wars if there wasn't any religion, then you are saddly mistaken. We would find something else to blame, if not the colour of your skin, then it would be your nationality, colour of your eyes/hair etc... there are a million things we could use to justify our actions !.
Whether or not you need faith as an individual in order to complete your spiritual self, well that is upto you to decide...
As for your question, well that depends on how much importance you give to your faith and whether or not you question it. If I was born in a different faith other than Islam, I would question that faith untill I was completely satisfied with the answers I received. If I was not totally happy with the answers I received, I would look around and research other faiths until I found one which gave me the answers I was looking for.
I was lucky to be born a muslim, but that hasn't stopped me from questioning my own faith, simply because this questioning strengthens my faith and improves my knowledge of Islam. I would have done the same if I was born in any other faith.
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You again with you non-sense about Islam?
Islam is the truth and if you don’t accept it you will burn in hell, simple as that. I think you don’t like the idea of burning in hell, people like you who spread hate and fool others with wrong information should be burn in hell on earth and hereafter!
No one forced Islam on anyone. Infact, no adays Islam is a fastest growing religion in the world - on top of that Muslims are the ones being killed in Kashmir, Palestine and still we are gaining numbers. Who is killing who? Get to know the facts before you utter non-sense about Islam. Why do you think Jews don’t let Muslims pray in Mosque which is in Jerusalem?
Rani, you are sickheaded, hateful person. Every time anyone reads your posts, it has hate, prejudice and hindu-ca-ca in there and nothing useful.
V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)
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Originally posted by Rani:
***What people forget is that there would not be much wisdom without religion. The Ten Commandments seem so logical that we forget that without religion we would not have them. All the laws of the world are based on laws that were given to men through religion.*
Not true, religion has been with us from time immorial but human rights legislation has only been introduced 50 years ago. God always had more rights than human beings and many human beings were killed in order to protect God.
NYA, very interesting and thought provoking quotation.**
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God have rights ??? what do you mean by rights ?? GOD is the creator himself, a bit futile and stupid to talk about rights ??
if you see the conflicts around the world
based on religen you see less of it in countries that places less importance to religen like china and japan. europe also
there is no religious conflicts .
only in mideast and indian sub-continent
people want to fight in the name of religen
how we measure success of religens?
how musch misery it caused how it divided
same races set brother against brother?
number of deaths it caused?
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Originally posted by The Watcher:
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You again with you non-sense about Islam?
Islam is the truth and if you don't accept it you will burn in hell, simple as that. I think you don't like the idea of burning in hell, people like you who spread hate and fool others with wrong information should be burn in hell on earth and hereafter!
No one forced Islam on anyone. Infact, no adays Islam is a fastest growing religion in the world - on top of that Muslims are the ones being killed in Kashmir, Palestine and still we are gaining numbers. Who is killing who? Get to know the facts before you utter non-sense about Islam. Why do you think Jews don't let Muslims pray in Mosque which is in Jerusalem?
Rani, you are sickheaded, hateful person. Every time anyone reads your posts, it has hate, prejudice and hindu-ca-ca in there and nothing useful.
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This is exactly what Queer meant when he said religions are unfair and they make people act irrationally and fight with each other. You are insulting everybody, every religion and consider yourself a good person. Please keep your comments to what i said, I hope that is not too much to ask from a very religious person like youself.
God have rights ??? what do you mean by rights ?? GOD is the creator himself, a bit futile and stupid to talk about rights ??
You are very right by defination God should have no right. By prouncing Fatwa on people and by killing anybody who went against the church in 16 century. Whose rights we were trying to protect. Human beings has(d) given God imaginary rights and anybody who went against that we punish them. It is first time in History of mankind that we have Human rights. Human beings are entitled to some rights and consideration whether they believe in any religion or not.
So Rani, if you agree with Queer that religion makes us fight, then why not give up being a sikh and then there will be no need to fight against muslims?