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Bhai aap anay toh nai? I showed you quotes in which he said directly that he was an atheist. By the way, I could not find the quotes that you gave on, please give a link.
I have proven conclusively that Einstein was AN ATHEIST.
However, evidently you can not comprehend viewpoints other than your own.
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You need to give up, I m getting bored with same line of argument from you. Bring something bettter to refute his own words. But you can’t bring him alive from dead…too bad.
Here, alreay gave you links.
Trust me this site and many others like this are real on the web, not metaphoric.
“I’m absolutely not an atheist. I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza’s pantheism, but admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things.”
Have you used any search engine before? Try searching Einstein and his religios views. Who was Spinoza and his God and Einstein believed in the same.
So, anyone who believes in ANY supreme being is NOT an atheist.
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From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest **I am, of course, and have always been an atheist **
Einstein said:
Spinoza’s God is not an supernatural being. Your point is self defeating.
Read this thread from the beginning and take your time. You sir, are insulting Einstein’s memory.
I would again advice you to read, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. However, don’t let your Mullah friends catch you with a copy, they will stone you to death or something.
He said once:
Clearly, religious people do not ask whether Allah had a choice (Nauzubillah)
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i am lost here
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From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest *I am, of course, and have always been an atheist *
Einstein said:
Spinoza's God is not an supernatural being. Your point is self defeating.
Read this thread from the beginning and take your time. You sir, are insulting Einstein's memory.
I would again advice you to read, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. However, don't let your Mullah friends catch you with a copy, they will stone you to death or something.
You missed the red part of his sentence.
He is saying from the Jesuit priest's perspective he is an atheist.
That could be his sarcasm. No need to break the sentence my friend to make up something.
For example:
Person A calls person B retard. The person A comes to you and says " IceSoul, from Person A' view I am a retard"
Will you spread to the whole world, ...... Person A said "He is a retard" ?
Did you get this point?
Einstein was against what was presented by the bible and priests.
He wrote in a letter in 1954.
*"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind”
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He cannot even separate the two. And you say he was atheist.
He did not believe in God the way those days organized religions portrayed the religion, but he could not dissociate himself from believing in God, no matter how he perceived it.
If you say he was an agnostic by some of his words/questions, fine but not an atheist.
Regarding God of Spinoza and Richard Dawkin, I have a feeling you don't have the basic tool to discuss that. Sorry that is from your responses so far. Try to comment on one of my thread in Philosophy section I think titled " What is nature".
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You missed the red part of his sentence.
He is saying from the Jesuit priest's perspective he is an atheist.
That could be his sarcasm. No need to break the sentence my friend to make up something.
For example:
Person A calls person B retard. The person A comes to you and says " IceSoul, from Person A' view I am a retard"
Will you spread to the whole world, ...... Person A said "He is a retard" ?
Did you get this point?
Einstein was against what was presented by the bible and priests.
He wrote in a letter in 1954.
*"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind” * He cannot even separate the two. And you say he was atheist.
He did not believe in God the way those days organized religions portrayed the religion, but he could not dissociate himself from believing in God, no matter how he perceived it.
If you say he was an agnostic by some of his words/questions, fine but not an atheist.
Regarding God of Spinoza and Richard Dawkin, I have a feeling you don't have the basic tool to discuss that. Sorry that is from your responses so far. Try to comment on one of my thread in Philosophy section I think titled " What is nature".
You can not be convinced by any evidence that I may give. Again, he did not believe in THE ONE, he was talking about God in an metaphorical way. Carl Sagan said:
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if by "God" one means
the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there
is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying . . . it does not
make much sense to pray to the law of gravity
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This is the "God" that Einstein was talking about. NOT any SUPER NATURAL being.
About the sarcasm thing, you are making things up now. He did not believe in God in the sense of a Creater/The ONE etc etc. This will explain better than I can:
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Although Einstein was not always consistent in what he said about God, there is a consistent theme running through his thoughts on religion—a theme that he called “cosmic religion”. He used this term to reflect the awe he felt when confronted with the universe and our ability to begin, at least, to comprehend it.”
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This may make clear to you what I mean by using religion a a mataphor.
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A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man
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He is calling and emotions felt when you look at the universe around you "Religion". And therefore he says that I'm not a atheist. He was mentioning the same "religion" in that quote about science and religion.
And really, he could not separate the two. No physicist in the world can separate science and the awe that they feel at the complexity of the Universe.
However, no where does he say that a Supreme Being created or controlled this complex Universe.
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Science doesn't demand a personal character and truth of personality thus we only know the relationship of things not their nature ...
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Is there a bloody point to this waste of time ..useless discussion thread ?You people are weird ...discussing something which ain't gona benefit no one except that these discussions have no real answer but rather a waste of time.Discuss something which is important like hoe we could be better Muslims and how we can evolve to be a benefit to Islam or what we can give in service to the way of Allah... No one discusses these ..It's very shameful we Muslims have very little knowledge about our deen .. have no clue as to where we re coming from or where we re going.
People are trying to find religion where instead they should be searching for ALLAH .. whoever be in a search of Allah , he/she will come on the path of Islam ...
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. Al-Imran ayat no 85]
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As I have mentioned and the title suggest, it is not just about what was the religious inclination of Einstein.
No one has to worry about what religion a dead man had...
..unless the idea is to show that atheism is not that common as die hard atheists want to see and portray that atheism somehow is better on 'intellectual' standard and those who were famous sicentists somehow were atheists because religious people have no brain and do not think.
**Even the best brain/mind users and scientists are and have been religious and believed in God, like Einstein.
Just can't run away far from being religious.
**Yes, there are religious people who are like sheep, follow one line and do not want to deviate for fear of being 'punished' but vast majority religious people are still smart.
They do ijtehad on personal level everyday and they DO mould relgious rules according to their needs.
Atheists or wannabe atheists also are like ostriches. They have brain which only looks at the microscopic level of the world phenomenon. Whatever science tells they beleive.
And in this regard, they are no different than strict religious individuals.
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**Even the best brain/mind users and scientists are and have been religious and believed in God, like Einstein.
**
Nai beta. Zidd nai kartay...
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^ You my friend need to get off this attitude.
Your assignment is to first learn what "God" means.
Then learn what is atheism before discussing these matters.
I know these are big tasks for you who cannot even read a simple sentence right.
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[quote=““diwana””]
Read it again. This, my friend, will help you.
You have argued and lost miserably. You are more sore a loser than the 10 year old boys playing cricket.
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^
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So now you resort to stupid posters, having lost the argument?
BTW, this conclusively proves that you can't read. If you did,
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Clearly, religious people do not ask whether Allah had a choice (Nauzubillah)
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Just as clearly, atheists don't say "Nauzubillah". I'm a MUSLIM, YOU are a MULLAH (or at least heavily influenced by them". Two different things.
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God is very naughty
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The thread and the post is not about you. Its about your attitude shown here.
A lot of born muslims (or those who belong to other religions) do join the atheistic views (and go back and forth), just to look smart. They call all others hardliners or mullahs. 
As for my alleged loss in proving Einstein was NOT an atheist…He himself said so.
But you kept putting your ideas in his views as if you knew him better than himself. So no point going further.
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He also said he was an atheist. I have already shown you in what context he said he was not an atheist. He used religion in a metaphorical way, how many times must I repeat it so that you can understand?
I have shown atheist views? Where?
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This thread isn't going anywhere. Closed.