Re: "What does the Arabic word "Jihad" mean?"

Society Religion & Philosophy
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*Originally posted by New Era: *

Mr. Jagjeevan.

Islam gave human all sort of solutions. And Jihad is one of them. Look at the west today..how fiercely they are killing Muslims. I think JIHAD IS RIGHT...a way to FIGHT BACK. :)

Thankyou
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jihad is certainly not a solution but a monstrous problem today - just open any newspaper and what do you find in the front page? another bus blown up or another cross border attack in Israel or India...or another bunch of would be jihadis caught with ricin or ...the list goes on! Is this what you call a solution?

the west is not killing muslims. muslims are killing muslims through this outdated and misunderstood fancy for jihad.

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Mr Farooq Khan, Member of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dr Imran Waheed, Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain

Dear Sirs,

Mr Farooq Khan, Member of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dr Imran Waheed, Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain

What I cannot grasp is your complete deafness.

Jesus taught... those who have ears hear.

My thinking is you must have been wearing your ear-muffs.

I am unable to grrasp the total lack of freedom and the retoric that defends.

You said:

The Muslim community believes that the greatest threat today is from Western colonialist states - they must be stopped in pursuing their materialistic ambitions over the entire world. The Islamic Khilafah will be a beacon of light for the oppressed peoples of the world including those millions who suffer in silence in the West.

If the Muslim community believes this? Why are there so many American Muslims?

oh..I guess..they are in a hurry to 'phone home' and get away from a tolerent society???? A society that was created by people that for mostly were of the poor and disadvantaged. Majority of our ancestors were Serfs.

Its not materialism that urges Americans forward. It's a world economy. It's business. It's jobs. It's progress. My goodness..if you feel America is out to oppress Muslims..then physcologically..a victim mentality. Get a grip.

Progress is difficult on people..but because god created us in his own image.....do-able.

Religious intolerance is just intolerance. Closed minds. Covered ears.

Think God is so intolerate he would dismis a prayer because it's not said by a Muslim? Think God only listens to Jews? Christians?

or...do you think God listens just because?

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AAG- That's the most sense you've ever made, well-said.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Mr Farooq Khan, Member of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dr Imran Waheed, Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain

Dear Sirs,

Mr Farooq Khan, Member of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dr Imran Waheed, Representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain

What I cannot grasp is your complete deafness.

Jesus taught... those who have ears hear.

My thinking is you must have been wearing your ear-muffs.

I am unable to grrasp the total lack of freedom and the retoric that defends.

You said:

The Muslim community believes that the greatest threat today is from Western colonialist states - they must be stopped in pursuing their materialistic ambitions over the entire world. The Islamic Khilafah will be a beacon of light for the oppressed peoples of the world including those millions who suffer in silence in the West.

If the Muslim community believes this? Why are there so many American Muslims?

oh..I guess..they are in a hurry to 'phone home' and get away from a tolerent society???? A society that was created by people that for mostly were of the poor and disadvantaged. Majority of our ancestors were Serfs.

Its not materialism that urges Americans forward. It's a world economy. It's business. It's jobs. It's progress. My goodness..if you feel America is out to oppress Muslims..then physcologically..a victim mentality. Get a grip.

Progress is difficult on people..but because god created us in his own image.....do-able.

Religious intolerance is just intolerance. Closed minds. Covered ears.

Think God is so intolerate he would dismis a prayer because it's not said by a Muslim? Think God only listens to Jews? Christians?

or...do you think God listens just because?
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Maybe u just dont wanna listen to what any muslims has to say abt USA, so here is non muslim a person from USA saying:

President Bush has authorized continued bombing of innocent people in Iraq. President Clinton bombed innocent people in the Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Serbia. President Bush Senior invaded Iraq and Panama. President Reagan bombed innocent people in Libya and invaded Grenada. And on and on it goes.

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The Great american dream:

Americans aged 12 or older experienced approximately 24.2 million violent and property victimisations in 2001 according to the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). Overall criminal victimisations included about 18.3 million property crimes (burglary, motor vehicle theft, and theft), 5.7 million violent crimes (rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault), and about 188,000 personal thefts (pocket picking and purse snatching) U.S. Department of Justice - Criminal Victimization 2001

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
all wouda shuda coulda's aside, all jihad means today is terrorism borne out of islamic religious fundamentalism. get rid of it and all all muslims and in fact the entire world will be a better place to live in.
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when you really get that sword, make sure that you clean the world of all Hindus too, because they all are "baghal mai chhuree, mun mai raam raam" i.e. talking about peace while carrying a gun... and also remove the Jews because they are worse than terrorism in Israel/Palestine... while you are at it lets get rid of Christians as well because of their support to Jewish terrorism.

and something tells me that you have already killed urself if you have achieved what I suggested above ;)

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The truth abt USA:

As if dropping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki wasn’t enough now America faces a new ideological threat in the face of Islam. Accusing Iraq of possessing weapons of mass destruction whilst being the only state that has actually used Nuclear, chemical & biological weapons, whilst hypocritically pointing fingers at their employee Saddam Hussein. It should be clear to most to see that this war is not about Human rights because in-terms of Human rights abuses, America is no stranger to that. Or this is not about helping the people of Iraq, because if they wanted to help the people of Iraq, why kill thousands by applying sanctions when it knows well, that they don’t affect Saddam but the people. So is this Americas fight against the sleeping giant, the ideology which has been sleeping since the 3rd of March 1924 and is awaking. The silence is about to break………

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Your ideology isn't sleeping, it is DEAD. Religous empires are in the trash heaps of history where they belong. The God given concepts of freedom and individualism will never again be snuffed out by religous intolerant tyrants.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Your ideology isn't sleeping, it is DEAD. Religous empires are in the trash heaps of history where they belong. The God given concepts of freedom and individualism will never again be snuffed out by religous intolerant tyrants.
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I know ur ideology is alive n kicken and is wiping out any man,women or child who stand in the way of you accuqring ur selfish materialistic intrests:

And lets not forget Japan. Where American dropped nuclear bombs in Nagazaki and Hirshomia killing over 200,000 ppl (this was at a time when the japenese were abt to surrender).... oh yea i guess USA has got a valid excuse for that and it happened 50 yrs ago!

And lets also not forget Vietenam, where USA carpet bombed the country with orange gas...oh well guess USA has got a valid excuse for that as well and it happened abt 30 yrs ago.

And lets not forget the 500,000 Iraqi kids who have died because of the UN sanctions. The sanctions have not affected Saddam one bit but the UN still contines the sanction knowing full well that they will affect the citezens of iraq and not saddam!

USA's peace loving froeign policy :Yes, via their foreign policy (COLONIALISM) they raped, they looted, they killed innocent people (like now in Iraq), and they brought Terror to the world in the name of peace (like now). Just look at their societies

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While your system has been "sleeping", Amercia has sacrificed much to save the world from ideologies such as the one you are advocating. What has your ideology, people, or governments done to beat back the threats of facism, totalinarism, nazism, communism, and Japanese Imperialism? The good of Amercian foreign endeavors has far outweighed the bad. Your ummah would lose a lot more under any of these other ideologies if they had not been defeated. You could be speaking German or Japanese right now. It's so easy to criticize from the back seat isn't it? Lead, follow or get out of the way. How many millions have been tortured and killed in the name of your ideology? How many hundreds of years has it been since your ideology has been a world player? How long can you go on blaming the West for the misery being suffered in the 50+ Muslim countries?

Just look at your societies. Your form of religous colonialism and intolerance will bring far worse consequences

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forget trying to define America to us and get back to the topic. which happens to be the meaning of jihad.

no sane person would agree to the concept of jihad as it is being interpreted by a large number arabic speaking muslims today - because these guys are telling us in action that jihad means blow up innocent people. not acceptable and I look at this jihad with utmost disgust contempt and I curse for the immorality it is.

as to its meaning that might have been in the past - well, start preaching that to the current day practioners and when you have convinced them to stop suicide bombing jihad and cross border terrorism jihad, then may be we'll discuss what other fine points exist in that concept.

Until then any jihad is simply an immoral act of cowardice against Allah Christ Bhagwan ... whoever you consider God. Because only chaitan / satan can allow the kind of immoral sliminess that jihadis the pond scums practice.

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why forget definition of America? Isn’t it that BEST democracy in the world? why not study/expose it? don’t just run away now

and WAR for peace means blowing up a nation with Daisy cutters? and WAR to capture the most wanted means destroy the country and let the most-wanted run away? :hehe: whata definition would that be

but my comments should not be taken as a support for “suicidal bombing”!!

as soon as you tell the Hindu fundos to stop killing the Christian missionary in India, stop killing Muslims in India, in Kashmir, Russians doing that in Chechnya, Jews/Zionists in Palestine, etc.

No. If you stop all MUSLIMS from all Jihad then you’ll be doomed since they’ll have to totally give up fight against self :wink: and they’ll do what they want, what they think is right (individually)

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because the discussion topic is about jihad …not America

again, whether the way the taleban was hunted was right or wrong has no direct bearing to the discussion about meaning of jihad

what is the common factor in all these conflicts?

so you’re saying we have a choice of suicde jihadis or individuallay mad non-jihadis? that’s by far the worst racial indictment i’ve heard so far of muslims - i hope you didn’t mean it that way!

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
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what is the common factor in all these conflicts?

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there are several factors, and nothing can be considered as "common". rest all of your is garbage so no response

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

there are several factors, and nothing can be considered as "common". rest all of your is garbage so no response
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the common factor is quite glaring = perhaps removing the mask off the seeing eye will help you see it too!