what like a dog with two *****, bet you never leave the house.
My favorite 'rank' american president was that man with the big hat and beard that got shot from the grassy knoll, you know the one in the wheelchair and that cigar business, he never lived watergate down.
Abraham Lincoln was the best the Americans ever had.
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Abraham Lincoln was the best the Americans ever had.
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why do you think so?
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1. John F Kennedy
2. Bill Clinton
2. Ronald Reagen
for the rest im not sure about the order. :D
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To Lincoln voters!!!
Can you please tell me or defend his abuses during Civil War. For instance, brushing aside legal objections, he boldly proclaimed a blockade. (His action was later upheld by the Supreme Court.) He arbitrarily increased the size of the federal army - something that only Congress can do under the Constitution. (see Art 1, Sec. 7, para.12) (Congress later approved.) He directed the secretary of the treasury to advance $2 million to three private citizens for military purposes - a grave irregularity contrary to the Constitution (See Art 1, Sec. 9, para 2.)
Lincoln's regime was guilty for many other high handed acts. For example, it arranged for "supervised" voting in the Border States. There the intimidated citizens, holding a color ballot indicating his party reference, had to march between two lines of armed troops. The federal officials also ordered the suspension of certain newspapers and the arrest of their editors on grounds of obstructing the war.
Duuuude! There's no way I could rank those scumbags taking in their policies whole. Each of them had some decent ideas, each had a helluva lot of bad ones. If they were all in a race today, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse.
But in ranking them.. I don't think Nixon should be last. I'd definitely put him before LBJ. Bush I, Ford and Carter weren't really presidents were they? I don't remember seeing anything about them in the history books ;) But I'd probably put Carter the president behind Nixon also.. he was an incompetent fool.
Ranking them on topics.. Foreign policy/defense I'd have to tie Nixon, Reagan and Clinton. Each had entirely different situations to face and did it fairly well (whether on purpose or not). Domestically, JFK and Clinton. I'd like to put Reagan here but I think the crap outweighed the good in the end. Gentleman? Carter. It'd be like hanging out with a librarian. Now who'd make the best drinking partner? (not saying I drink dont bother jumping on me for it) LBJ, hands down.
Galaxy, each of your points against Lincoln aren't exclusive to him.. he wasn't the only one that did any of that and those aren't really controversial things.
Now Lincoln did order the execution of people who tried to get Union soldiers to desert.
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Galaxy, each of your points against Lincoln aren't exclusive to him.. he wasn't the only one that did any of that and those aren't really controversial things.
Now Lincoln did order the execution of people who tried to get Union soldiers to desert.
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huh......proclaiming a blockade without Congress' approval? What's more controversial than that?
A good question along these lines would also be to rank the opposition losers in the presidential races. Probably would have to exclude Gore since that's too recent and would dredge up too much extraneous junk.
Every war, small and large, since the Revolution has used blockades. Most of those weren't explicitly ok'd by Congress but they worked anyway. But what's so evil about a blockade?? Yeah, some folks might not have gotten food supplies.. guess they shouldn't have been dumbasses and started a war, huh?
oh yeah.... and he suspended the writ of habeas corpus as well. Later on, it was upheld by Congress but President did not have the power to do so.
errr this whole lincoln debate should be a diff thread, here we are only going back a few decades.
spoon as far as the losers of elections go, 2 names come to mind..Mondale, and then Dole, although GHWB took a beating in his bid for re-election
You cannot put Nixon last he was the one was initiated the defeat of the Soviet Union. By opening relationships with China it secured the containment of the Russians and time did the rest (as United States would continue their military build up no matter who was President). Giving Reagan credit for defeating the Soviets is a erroneousness, their defeat was achieved by containment that Nixon secured as well as the fact that Communism is destine to fail.
^^ Yeah and Al Gore invented the Internet. Bill Clinton was the sole reason of Tech boom in 90's. Anyother jokes UTD.
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A good question along these lines would also be to rank the opposition losers in the presidential races. Probably would have to exclude Gore since that's too recent and would dredge up too much extraneous junk.
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I like that angle.
JFK vs Nixon (incumbent VP) -- 1960
LBJ (Incumbent Pres) vs Goldwater -- 1964
Nixon vs Humphrey (incumbent VP) -- 1968
Nixon (Incumbent Pres) vs McGovern -- 1972
Carter vs Ford (Incumbent Pres) -- 1976
Reagan vs Carter (Incumbent Pres) -- 1980
Reagan (incumbent Pres) vs Mondale -- 1984
Bush I (incumbent VP) vs Dukakis -- 1988
Clinton vs Bush I (incumbent Pres) -- 1992
Clinton (incumbent Pres) vs Dole -- 1996
Bush II vs Gore (incumbent VP) -- 2000
IMO, (let's stay away from the Bush II/Gore election), of all the losers who didn't become a future Pres, Hubert Horatio Humphrey was probably the most qualified to be President at the time they ran for the office.
Goldwater might have been a darn good President....but not in 1964. By the mid to late 70s, he was far more representative of middle class American viewpoints than he was in 1964.
McGovern and Dukakis were not competent to be President. Dole and Mondale were competent enough and seemed to generally be pretty decent men. They simply had no chance against a popular incumbent.
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^^ Yeah and Al Gore invented the Internet. Bill Clinton was the sole reason of Tech boom in 90's. Anyother jokes UTD.
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Great discussion Kaleem, you've backed it up so well. Is this what you do, just mock others posts, how old are you?
NO UTD, it was just show you your "erroneous" ways. Do you really have to be that hard headed to not see that Reagan's policies were the primary reason USSR is no more.
^^ Madhanee dont worry, that is exactly how the dems are going to feel after the election. They do not stand a chance this year...maybe they should start working on Hillary's campaign for 08. What do you say?
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^^ Yeah and Al Gore invented the Internet. Bill Clinton was the sole reason of Tech boom in 90's. Anyother jokes UTD.
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well Al gore may not have invented the internet, but his efforts were a part in making it what the internet is today.
Being an independent, I have no interest in promoting or dissing Gore, but facts are facts.
Kaleem, I'll give credit to Reagan when the U.S. militarizes space in the coming decades as his Hollywood past help give him a vision of the 'Star Wars' program. The defeat of the Soviet Union goes to Nixon, his interactions with China secured their containment and put a major potential threat right on their boarder forcing them to contend with that as well.
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well Al gore may not have invented the internet, but his efforts were a part in making it what the internet is today.
Being an independent, I have no interest in promoting or dissing Gore, but facts are facts.
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What facts might those be? How did he actually help Internet become what it is today? Plz explain with facts.