Re: Raheel Sharif being made coas?
It is a two-way street. If generals start behaving like public servants, leave the bloody civilians alone and not keep looking for every opportunity to conquer Pakistan, the governments would perhaps then give more weight to capabilities and seniority when appointing the chief.
Valid point, but to be fair to the armed forces not every army chief wants to meddle in politics. Only few ambitious ones.
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Gen Sharif was born in Quetta...so is he Baluch? B/c that could be a plus given what is going on in the province.
Re: Raheel Sharif being made coas?
Valid point, but to be fair to the armed forces not every army chief wants to meddle in politics. Only few ambitious ones.
So the politicians tend to choose the 'least likely to cause trouble' one, not the most capable one. The onus is still on the top military brass.
And it is not only politics. They meddle with foreign affairs, international trade, domestic economy, bureaucratic appointments, policing, town planning, infrastructure development and what not!
Re: Raheel Sharif being made coas?
Gen Sharif was born in Quetta...so is he Baluch? B/c that could be a plus given what is going on in the province.
He was born in Quetta, but he is a Punjabi, brother of maj Shabir shaheed.
Re: Raheel Sharif being made coas?
It is a two-way street. If generals start behaving like public servants, leave the bloody civilians alone and not keep looking for every opportunity to conquer Pakistan, the governments would perhaps then give more weight to capabilities and seniority when appointing the chief.
I assume there is a valid excuse for our civilian rulers not behaving like public servants instead of behaving like monarchs.
Fact is, civilian rulers (at least those belonging to the status quo parties) came up in politics using shortcuts...and they dont have any regard for merit, ability, or law. Which is why they use the same approach while making civilian appointments. Their list is usually limited to their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and samdhis.
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Ignoring seniority in Pakistan to chose man of choice were/are the worst decisions taken by leaders/people in position to do so since partition. Bhutto made the same mistake and was hanged by the one whom he had chosen. Sharif the nehari/paya eater did not learn the lesson by choosing Mush who ultimately kicked his arse in 1999. There is no guarantee that choosing the most powerful person of choice makes any difference. Whenever these chosen persons wanted to take over, they did it without considering the undue favors, the benefactor awarded them.
Most important for civilian government is to ensure that CAOS works under PM not PM works under CAOS, which still is the situation. Just selecting a person of choice is not only unfair and injustice to senior deserving person but also betraying the trust of whole Pakistani nation.
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he did the same wth musharaf the one who was deserving was ignored and he made musharaf and the result was in front of him, khuch log kabhi nhi seehktay, I heard Bhutto did the same wth zia, he ignored the deserving candidate and made zia the chief
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Once again seniority has been ignored by NS
Congratulations to Gen. Raheel Sharif. He comes from a strong military family. I hope he will not behave like the Sharifs!
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Know him personally, a great individual and like a father to me... Very proud of him :)
Re: Raheel Sharif made COAS
In democracy, people (or party) in power do not earn their place because they are capable, have ability, and command power. They earn their place to rule because they (or their party) developed trust and respect from people who vote them into power (it does not matter, how they or their party achieved this respect). Their being in power does not mean they are really holder of power, but it means they can order those who hold power and they can expect to get obeyed. In democracy, holders of real power are always Public servants (Army, judiciary, police, and bureaucracy) ... armed forces being the most powerful.
So, when a political party gets elected and form government, they can only stay in power if they succeed in creating respect and good will from those who really hold power (army and bureaucracy). It is their own moral uprightness, that make them rule, not their getting elected.
It is just like, to get a job as lecturer one needs to impress recruitment body of the university, but to teach with authority one needs to earn respect of the students.
If politicians in power keep on doing corruption, nepotism, mismanagement and showing misconduct, then they would never achieve respect from civil servants, and would keep getting kicked by army generals as routine, whenever these generals would find them and their corruption intolerable, as situation would be always same, that is, armed forces and bureaucracy holding real power.
One way to avoid such to happen, is for politicians when in power, stop doing corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct, and so on … and they themselves establish in country, without nepotism and corruption, a strong election commission, strong and unbiased judiciary, capable and strong policing, and very strong powerful accountability body, that can work free of nepotism, favour, corruption, or fear, such that these institutions take politicians in power to task if politicians do any wrong, so there would be no need for armed forces to act.
If politicians would like seat of power as ticket to loot and plunder, then they should expect kicks from military generals (actually, corrupt countries like Pakistan normally get ruled by dictators having direct control over armed forces). If Politician in power would try to punish armed forces for kicking them out in past, then next military general who would take over, would not send them to Saudi Arabia but would send them to graveyard and would make their children penniless.
[Note: In every successful democratic governments all over the world, the countries have strong election commission, powerful judiciary, very strong policing, and extremely strong accountability system … and it is because of these institutions democratic government survives]
Re: Raheel Sharif made COAS
I think that Nawaz Sharif made the right choice and appointed the best man for the job.
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I'm on the fence regarding this decision.
On one hand I do believe and agree that a proper procedure should've been followed when selecting a COAS, in Pakistan's case, it's obviously the seniority factor. However, if an Army man like Musharraf can handpick a general he firmly believed is the most apolitical army general ever in the history of Pakistan. Therefore would not pose any threat to his non-uniform rule, then what case do you have against politicians? It's unfortunate that their decisions have always backfired but at the end of the day, that just tells you how out of control Pakistan army really is.
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Whaat .. ?
Altaaf bhai was replaced by him? 
Re: Raheel Sharif made COAS
I think that Nawaz Sharif made the right choice and appointed the best man for the job.
A good choice for sure but I would argue that any of the top 4 lieutenant generals would have made a good COAS. Three of them have operational experience (Haroon Aslam, Rashad and Tariq). Spare a thought for Haroon Aslam who has a good cv and was the senior-most Lt. Gen. He led the operation rah-e-rast that succeeded in flushing out TTP miscreants from Swat and neighbouring areas in 2009. It almost seems like being the senior most lieutenant general in the army is a curse. Look at Haroon Aslam and Quli Khan. The latter was the senior most Lt. Gen. in 1998. The fact that Haroon Aslam was from Special Services Group (SSG) probably did not sit too well with NS who still cannot forget what Mushy (also from SSG) did to him. In other words Musharraf's misadventure could have cost Haroon Aslam the top job. Most importantly NS did not want a very powerful COAS.
One cannot help feeling that being the brother of Shabbir Sharif Shaheed greatly helped Raheel in getting the top job
Anyways congratulations to the new army chief. Wish him all the best in the fight against TTP and other enemies of the state.
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Why didn’t NS appoint senior-most person as army chief?
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Why didn't NS appoint senior-most person as army chief?
Because NS is a blatant liar and lying is tonic for NS. Appointment of Lt Gen Sharif as army chief is another of many proofs that NS is a blatant liar.
NS on one TV program interview clearly said that he would uphold seniority. Now, when he said that, how can he uphold seniority and lie too? I think anyone who knows that NS is a blatant liar, straight away should have guessed that since NS said that he would uphold seniority in army chief appointment, NS would not uphold seniority (as being liar, he could not have gone against his nature).
If NS had upheld seniority when appointing army chief, than he would have got mentally sick, because that would have agreed with what he said and would not have been lie, but being blatant liar, he has to do things opposite to what he says, and that is what did.
Obviously, appointment of Lt Gen Haroon Aslam would have been good for Pakistan, as it would have made TTP and other Kharjees in Pakistan, scared and mentally lost. Since Lt Gen Haroon have seen with his own eyes, Shahadat of many Pakistani soldiers at the hand of TTP Kharjees, if appointed as army chief, most likely, Lt Gen Haroon would not have left any stone unturned to send these Kharjees to hell. …
Anyhow, even though I believe that Lt Gen Haroon would have been better and most appropriate choice for army chief promotion, I would not say that appointment of Lt Gen Raheel Sharif was inappropriate or disappointing, not due to Lt Gen Sharif own capability, but due to combined sacrifices his family made for Pakistan.
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You guys are forgetting that he recently went on a trip to US and met Obama and had several closed door meetings with Gen Kiyani as well. Did they have a say in the selection? Perhaps . We shall see if the new COAS remains apolitical and remains mum on US War on Terror :-)
Re: Raheel Sharif made COAS
You guys are forgetting that he recently went on a trip to US and met Obama and had several closed door meetings with Gen Kiyani as well. Did they have a say in the selection? Perhaps . We shall see if the new COAS remains apolitical and remains mum on US War on Terror :-)
N$ imlaa le aayeN haiN ab bas likhnaa hii likhnaa hai...100% marks to aise nahiiN milte...Obama has 'dictated' the script...
dictation = imlaa :D
