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What do you think, why pakistanis don’t complain about racism ?
Besides all the things said about them, how come they integrate in society with less friction, compare to our indian brotherhood ?
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Before you go lecturing…
I posted the suggestion to do a search and left.
Then I did the search myself and for convenience posted the link so that the views shared then could also be shared now.
You might want to change your “negative-tinted” glasses once in an while.
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The intention was not to poke holes. I was (still am) interested in looking at statistics.
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Here’s an interesting article on the matter of racism in the UK. While it does not talk specifically about the USA or Canada, it does bring up some very neat points.
Britain has many major problems - racism isn’t one of them.
It has less prejudice than the countries where I’ve lived before – and more people taking offence
I am a banana. In Singapore, where I used to live, this needs no explanation — it means I’m yellow on the outside but white on the inside, someone who looks ethnically Chinese but whose way of thinking is ‘western’. There are bananas all over Asia, and I daresay the world. We are better versed in Shakespeare than Confucius, our Mandarin is appalling, and we often have pretentious Anglo or American accents.
Then there are people who are ‘ching-chong’, a reference to anyone who enjoys the kitschy bling of stereotypically Chinese things, sans irony — they like paving their entire garden with cement, for example, or driving a huge Mercedes, or placing two garish stone lions on either side of a wrought-iron gate.
In Asia, there are lots of labels like these, based along racial lines. Most trenchant of all, an entire kaleidoscope of words exist to refer to foreigners, more often than not whites: farang in Thailand, gaijin in Japan, mat salleh in Malaysia, gweilo in Hong Kong. In the latter, ‘gwei’ means ‘ghost’ — taken literally, it means a white person is not fully human. Indeed, in many Chinese dialects, the idiomatic term for any foreigner, be they Indian or Ivorian or Irish, contains the ghostly ‘gwei’; only ethnic Chinese are constantly referred to as ‘rén’, which means ‘person’. In other words, only the Chinese really exist as full-blooded people.
Now, these terms have been used for so long and so broadly that often they’re not employed as racial epithets — though sometimes they are. But I wish they weren’t in circulation at all, because they make us view people through the narrow lens of ethnicity.
And where’s the outrage? No high-level, activist campaign exists in any Asian country to eradicate such racially charged language. Nobody feels strongly enough to object, least of all white people.
In Britain though, where I now live, the opposite seems to be true. I can’t help noticing that certain sections of the population are now so acutely tuned into the issue of race that they spot racism where none is intended. I was stunned for instance, when a few years ago police in the Isle of Wight arrested a beach-bar singer for belting out the pop song ‘Kung Fu Fighting’ because someone had complained it was racial aggravation. (I try to picture the Singapore police taking action over a claim that ‘Play that Funky Music’ is offensive to white boys, and can’t.)
Recently there was an online petition against a Knorr advert featuring Marco Pierre White making a dish of rice, peas and chicken and describing it as Jamaican — the chef’s creation was not authentic enough, apparently. A writer in the Guardian called this ‘disrespectful cultural appropriation’.
Racism is such a charged subject in Britain that even outside observers feel they have a right to offer hyperbolic comments about the state of the nation: the Iranian commentator Ismail Salami recently said that ‘racism is eating away at the fabric of Britain’ and that the nation is ‘plunging into the depths of moral deterioration’. It’s true that he made the remarks after the horrific murder of a disabled Iranian by extremists in this country — but then Iran is hardly the poster nation of a rainbow society. It’s also unclear whether he was also talking about the equally horrific murder in Woolwich of a white soldier by black Islamists.
Britain is not a racist country. I have not, as a member of a minority ethnic group here, encountered racist comments or treatment from anyone, neither in London nor in the countryside, when I go there. I’m sure racism still has a hold in places — even the Home Secretary suggests that blacks are disproportionately likely to be stopped by the police, for example. The British National Party may have imploded in the last five years but it still exists — albeit relying on the votes of angry old men. But it’s hard to say, even by the widest stretch of the imagination, that racism is one of this country’s big problems.
Take the Woolwich murder. The killing might have roiled prejudice — this was the hope of the so-called English Defence League who tried to organise scores of rallies. They picked the wrong country. In Exeter and Devon, no one turned up at all. In Leeds, 20 of its members were met by 30 opponents shouting ‘You’re not welcome here.’ It was a similar story in Manchester, Oxford and Edinburgh.
Surveys show racism is dying on its feet in Britain. In the 1990s, the British Social Attitudes survey found that 44 per cent of people said they would be uncomfortable if their children married across ethnic lines. But that is changing dramatically: according to a recent British Future report, only 5 per cent of those aged between 18 and 24 would mind their children marrying someone of a different ethnic background. The World Values Survey found British people among those most likely to befriend a neighbour from a different ethnic background. (The nations that were least tolerant included Jordan, Egypt, South Korea and Iran.)
To the British young, racism is not repugnant — it’s incomprehensible. The young of Britain, says the British Future report, belong to the ‘Jessica Ennis generation’ and are ‘ever more likely to form mixed race relationships themselves; and much less likely to think there is any big deal about that anyway’.
You only have to look at other nations across the globe to see how far Britain has come. Countries everywhere impose laws and policies along racial lines, in a manner that would be inconceivable here. Malaysia, where I was born, has a constitution which safeguards the ‘special position’ of ethnic Malays, such as by establishing quotas for entry into the civil service, public scholarships and public education. Thus many Malaysians — and I am deemed an ethnic-Chinese Malaysian — come to be extremely aware of their racial background.
As for China, racism appears to be ingrained, especially against blacks: large numbers of young Africans studying there complain of this. (The early 20th-century Chinese reformer Kang Youwei once advocated ‘Improver of the Race’ medals for whites or yellows willing to marry blacks in order to ‘purify mankind’.) And across Africa, where in several countries slavery still exists, inter-ethnic tension is rife.
Britain, perhaps ironically through her Empire, has become a multi-ethnic state — and continues to mix it up. One reason why there are cases of racism and discrimination constantly being reported in the UK is because there are so many different ethnic communities here: there is far more chance for the odd episode of racial friction than in a vastly more homogeneous country such as, say, China. In Beijing, just 4 per cent of the population are non-Han Chinese. In London, 40 per cent are non-white.
The danger with crying racism at every turn is that it conceals real problems. Immigration cannot be discussed properly here, because anyone who wants to raise the subject is labelled bigoted or racist — even if they’re talking about white Poles. The concerns of the poor, who live in areas where immigrants flock, are about oversubscribed GP surgeries or about schools that suddenly go multilingual. Yet their concerns are dismissed by the governing elite as racist, such as when a voter once voiced her concerns over crime and immigration to Gordon Brown, and he was caught on microphone calling her a ‘bigoted woman’. It risks alienating a class from British politics and driving people to support genuinely racist parties.
And while Britain is looking out for the old bigotry, new ones creep in. ‘Culturalism’ — favouring someone because they share the same mindset as you, is not so bad because it’s not ‘racist’. Appearing before the Commons education committee, an Ofsted inspector recently raised the issue of working-class white schoolchildren being overlooked and without representation versus ethnic groups: too much race awareness tends to cause division, rather than inclusion.
Just a few weeks ago I discovered that I fall under a group known as BAME — Black and Minority Ethnic. Such categorisation, used mainly by the political left, is meant to protect my rights against discrimination. But I feel mildly repulsed by it (and no, I don’t understand why the acronym segregates blacks from other minorities, either). Ironically, this well-meant labelling might be the most racist thing that I have ever encountered in the UK.
The truth is, I didn’t come all the way to Britain to hide myself under an umbrella acronym. I refuse to be the ‘ME’ in BAME. I don’t want to feel safe and secure by cordoning myself off from the larger community. I can’t bear to feel perpetually aggrieved, offended, slighted, victimised. Most of all, I don’t want to be viewed purely according to my race — I’ve had enough of that back where I come from, thank you very much.
I have been welcomed and accepted in this country, and — uncool as this may sound — I feel grateful for this. Perhaps there are thousands of other ‘minority’ people in this country who feel the same way. We are here to throw ourselves pell-mell into the national life, whatever that may bring. Because of course Britain faces many challenges today. It’s just that racism isn’t one of them.
Clarissa Tan is an editorial assistant at The Spectator. She was born in Malaysia and educated in Singapore.
This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 15 February 2014
Source: Britain has many major problems - racism isn’t one of them » The Spectator
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I dont think my post is the answer of your question but here is what I would like to post.
sindhis complain against punjabis, punjabis complain against dont know what, pathan in sindh complain against urdu-speaking. Pathan in kpk complain against punjabis. Urdu-speaking complain against sindhis, sindhi complain against Urdu-speaking.
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Here’s another article. One that tells the story of a “regular White customer” and moving to the West expecting “no discriminating divisions”.
While the article itself can be blown to bits, the related comments posted on the site are more valuable in content.
Racism in Canada
Devanshu | May 27, 2013, 12.42 PM IST
Whenever I decide that I would not write any further on racism in Canada, Canadians graciously come forward and make me encounter some more horrors forcing me to pick up my pen again.
Just last week, a regular White customer who had been staying at our motel came to extend his stay and asked for discounts. My wife smilingly told him that she was the boss and that he needs to speak to her for discounts. He laughed aloud, picked up his shoe and pointed it towards her while saying that this is what her husband will show to her after he leaves for uttering such words. After I got out of my shock, I realised that the husband so referred was supposed to be me and he actually showed the shoe to my wife, in my presence, something she would have never ever seen in this world from anyone.
After getting the rightful hearing from me, he was shaken but still believed that it was the common norm amongst Pakistanis, meant South Asians like me, back home in our country and that we were only acting civilised in his country.
I knew I was breaking my head against a wall which had so much graffiti written on it that it had started well and truly believing in it as the commandments of life. Disgusted, I let him go.
Then a lady posted a purely racist comment based on our colour on our motel’s web page on Booking.com/ Priceline.com. I was taken aback but then realised that a civilised society like Canada accepts racism as a way of life!
When I raised the issue with Booking.com/ Priceline.com, I got a reply from their Toronto office, regretting that the comment appeared on their site with a promise that the same will be removed by the end of the day.
What brought despair to me was the response I got next day from them that their European masters did not find the comment racist enough to be deleted and felt that it should be allowed to be continued as they respect freedom of speech of their guests.
So a person can label South Asians as smelly people because of the food that we eat and the same is acceptable to European sensibilities!
An educated Canadian can only think of us as belonging to primitive society because of our colour!
When I was in India, I used to read about caste system being a bane which India had been fighting for generations with education and knowledge. Personally I was brought up in an environment where that was never an issue and where we respected everyone with the dignity that they deserved. It was in fact painful for us to even imagine that people could be called inferior due to their caste and we felt that such divisions belonged to the rural or semi-urban illiterate India where politicians and religious leaders used it to continue with their stronghold.
I always thought that education brings civility in the society and one of the reasons I moved to the West was because I thought that here there will be no discriminating divisions.
What I see here are ghettos not just of physical spaces but also that of the mind and a primitive society wherein a superiority complex is still prevalent in the majority White community.
What is that makes these people feel superior over coloured people?
What is that makes them deprive people of their basic respect and still call their society civilised?
The people here will leave all scruples aside for making money the easy way, have serious issues of colour and religious discrimination, have amongst majority of them one or more broken relationship in lifetime and sometimes as many as the number of houses they change in their lives.
This society is one where human relationships are going through a major crisis, where sex and sex toys are like commodities sold in shops, where guns are a status symbol, where minorities are only used as vote banks to be tapped, where White youth killing others with loaded guns is considered a case of angst or at worst psychological disorder while a brown youth even attempting to show his anger is branded a terrorist. And, we call this civilised society.
If we the people of South Asian origin are from a primitive society then we are happy to be one for the civility that we learnt of not showing the shoe back to the person for what he did. At least we still give respect to all, even if we can see through their facade and can feel the demon hiding behind.
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There is no need to get personal. I gave my opinion. And stand by it.
Your.post did not come across as simply a suggestion. But i dont intend to debate this with you. We can agree to disagree on this.
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That I fully agree with.
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How is she a minority? There are a lot of Chinese Malay and Chinese Indo that do not continue studying in Malaysia or Indonesia because they are not Muslim. (schooling system favours Muslims etc)
Singapore is vastly different from other countries and given that most of my life was spent in different countries in Asia I can tell you that you cannot compare a Chinese Singaporean with a Mainland Chinese or a Hong Kongnese or Taiwanese.
There are a lot of people who do not like cultural appropriation because they use it to make a mockery out of ones culture. For instance, Kimono’s and Yukatas been worn during Halloween or costume parties. and the *******ised western version of Chinese/Japanese/Indian food.
Racism is not on an individual level. It’s on a institutionalised level. You know I’m from a very xenophobic country that only recently started becoming more loose with immigration. It doesn’t stop people from saying one thing to a foreigners face and another in Japanese or English.
You know what Gaijin means? gai means outside jin means people… so… it literally means foreigner. The author doesn’t want to be put into a category that is fine. Since she wouldn’t really fit into Chinese society anyway since she’s Singaporean.
Also, Singapore is one of the most westernised countries in Asia… given that most of the citizen despite having different backgrounds speak mostly English/Singlish as their first language, while in their neighbouring countries its different.
You really have to understand why people want everyone to be the same. “I don’t see colour” etc. People should just accept that there are different cultures, languages, religions, and skin tones. They shouldn’t have to conform to westernisation and just appreciate their own differences and make others accept it too.
You know you can always spot the desi women who haven’t been here for long because they are always wearing shalwar kameez. Wouldn’t it be great that people could wear what they think is comfortable without being gawked at?
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And where did my post suggest that someone should do a search before opening a thread?
Yeah…let’s just agree to disagree.
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In my search I found another interesting blog…
There’s so much to read on this subject. One could go on and on…
World Values Survey Finds Indians Most Racist
43.5% of Indians, the highest percentage in the world, say they do not want to have a neighbor of a different race, according to a Washington Post report based on World’s Values Survey.
About Pakistan, the report says that “although the country has a number of factors that coincide with racial intolerance – sectarian violence, its location in the least-tolerant region of the world, low economic and human development indices – only 6.5 percent of Pakistanis objected to a neighbor of a different race. This would appear to suggest Pakistanis are more racially tolerant than even the Germans or the Dutch”.
Housing Discrimination:
It appears that there is a small but militant minority in Pakistan that is highly intolerant, but the vast majority of people are tolerant. My own experience as a former Karachi-ite is that there is little or no race or religion based housing segregation, the kind that is rampant in India where Muslims are not welcome in most Hindu-dominated neighborhoods. There have been many reports of top Muslim Bollywood stars having difficulty finding housing in Mumbai’s upscale neighborhoods. A common excuse used to exclude them is the ostensible requirement to be vegetarian to live there.
Hate Against Indian Muslims:
The idea of racial purity is central to Hindu nationalists in India who have a long history of admiration for Adolf Hitler, the Nazi leader, including his “Final Solution”.
In his book “We” (1939), Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, the leader of the Hindu Nationalist RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) wrote, “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.”
Caste-based Apartheid:
While Golwalar’s principal target in the above paragraph were Indian Muslims, the treatment of lower caste Hindus in India also falls in the category of racism. The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD) now includes discrimination based on caste. Dating back to 1969, the ICERD convention has been ratified by 173 countries, including India. Despite this, and despite the United Nations Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights reiterating that discrimination based on work and descent is a form of racial discrimination, the Indian government’s stand on this issue has remained the same: caste is not race.
Over 250 million people are victims of caste-based discrimination and segregation in India. They live miserable lives, shunned by much of society because of their ranks as untouchables or Dalits at the bottom of a rigid caste system in Hindu India. Dalits are discriminated against, denied access to land, forced to work in slave-like conditions, and routinely abused, even killed, at the hands of the police and of higher-caste groups that enjoy the state’s protection, according to Human Rights Watch.
Gandhi’s Disdain for Black Africans:
It’s not just the Hindu Nationalists who are racists. Even Mohandas K. Gandhi, Mahatma or the Great Soul, was not immune to Indians’ racist tendencies. In 1908, recording his first experience in a South African prison, Gandhi referred to black South Africans as “kaffirs”. According Joseph Lelyveld, the author of “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India”, Gandhi wrote: “We were then marched off to prison intended for kaffirs. ..we could understand not being classed with the whites, but to be placed with the Natives seemed too much to put up with. It is indubitably right that Indians should have separate cells.”
Summary:
The findings of World’s Values Survey on India are well-supported by other evidence such as the Hindutva ideology as spelled out by RSS leader Golwalkar, the existence of widespread caste-based discrimination classified as racism by the United Nations and lots of other anecdotal evidence. Just this month, Indian racism was on full display at a lavish Indian wedding in South Africa where guests flown in from India refused to be served by black waiters and drivers.
Let me conclude this post with a video interview of Professor Ahmad Hasan Dani who attended Banaras Hindu University (BHU) and studied archaeology, and said that he was ostracized and treated as a pariah by Hindu students and faculty at BHU. He was not allowed to sit and eat with his fellow students, he was asked to keep his plates and dishes separate in his room, and required to stand outside the dining hall to be served his meal and then wash the dishes himself. Later, when he graduated at the top of the archaeology class, he was offered a faculty position, but the University head and former president of India Radhakrishnan told him that he would be paid a salary but he would not be allowed to teach. Here is a video clip of late Prof Dani talking about it:
Source: Haq’s Musings: World Values Survey Finds Indians Most Racist
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I wonder what Darwin has to say about that. 
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Dont know if it is increasing or decreasing, its definitely abundant.
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Since you posed a question, I will answer.
No, you didn’t literally use the word before. And you didn’t literally state doing a search was a prerequisite.
But in my opinion, the statement"kakee, try doing a Google search" was patronizing. At least it came across as such. And it was unnecessary. In my opinion.
Yes, lets.
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I watched this silly video/experiment ages ago… It was a complete flop from start to finish… She was trying to instigate racism and bullying within the groups, which failed miserably as her “American” approach didn’t suit the British ways, us british are more subtle in are racism! The whole experiment was stupid as she was doing it in the wrong place, if it was done in America then yeah she would of fumed hatred… All she is showing that it is easy to wind people up… The video, in my eyes didn’t show anything about racism to me, in how it is used and why it is done, it just showed an old woman having a mid life crisis on tv thinking she is some sort of controlling modern day hitler… As for your question, well in my eyes the world has and will always be racist whether it’s is intentionally or unintentionally, people will always be judging and act differently to people that are different to the, their environment and there beliefs…
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Ummmm
Did you not see what the white teacher said or what the biracial man and and and black woman was saying?
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Only after being fumed up, the whole program was stupid, she set them all up, made them come out as if there racist, people can be easily manipulated into things, that’s what this video is teaching me, it’s not showing "real"racism … I understand what topic you are trying to touch but this video is not matching well with the topic you want to discuss…
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It was an experiment trying to show people what white supremacy is. What do you think is racism then? Because it was very clear that the people who were white didn’t get what racism was. One was so uncooperative that she even spoiled the experiment.
It is not okay to have teachers that are surprised that you have pink flesh just because you’re dark. It is not the same for a white person in any country vs a non white person.
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White privileged is saying that but hey we struggle too! When you know they won’t be targeted for a “random” search.
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Lol… I don’t have anything to say so I will just laugh!!! If you seriously think white people are more privileged then please god make me white!!!