Salam,
You're discussing Quran as if everyone was born with innate knowledge of the ayahs.
You should scratch the post and talk about the ayahs in their LITERAL sense, on a website (wherever you copied pasted them from).
Discussing the linguistics, historiography, as well as the tafseer is not everyone's game. It takes years to understand all three aspects, before you can debate on the topic.
This can lead to fitnah, more than what is needed, and guess who the blame will go to?
inamal amaalo binnyaat.
I dont intend to create fitna.
wasalam