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I'm not here to save Quixtar my dear brother, they do not need me.
But its my duty to speak the truth as a true muslim, not to easily trust what comes shown in media like FOX, CNN etc. Just like people have used media to launch wars in Iraq to find WMDs, called freedom frighters as terrorrists in Palestine.
Its okay to some extent if you throw mud on some one as long as its for entertaiment. But to propagate untruth is a sin dear brother.
well then the government report that I posted may have escaped your eyes, so here it is again.
oh and ftc stands for federal trade commission.
nowhere did i say that its an illegal business, there are many legal franchise operations too that really dont give good returns to franchisees, but they are legal. Amway is legal and all but its not what its pushers show it to be.
I have less issue with amway as a company and more with the many overbearing amway folks talking ppl into buying into it, a very chipkoo sort of crowd for the most part.
I think you have forgotten Dateline on msnbc has been sued by General Motors for lying in their program.
So when are quixtar and amways sueing msnbc? They should have done that long ago by now, shouldnt they?
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As far as me as a person is concerned, I trust in authentic sources of information,
Better business bureau, that gives it a A+ rating
Hovers Inc
Dun and Bradstreet. Here are some authentic sources that evaluate a company.
I'm not a google doctor. If I have to preach Islam I dont tell people to google about islam or watch cnn.
THere was a colleague of mine, south india with a complicated name. His favourite past time was to talk about these amway folks, how he got contacted and he every opportunity he would bash amway. One fine day at work he emailed few links and text about amway in the office amongst us, via his official work id. That chainmail got forwarded throughout the office. Even I got the anti amway email.
After 2 weeks the south indian chap got fired from the job. The reason being, this company was partner of amway/quixtar. In fact, quixtar is no1 b2b partner of this company. And he started this chain mail, and the people who farwarded his email to other folks we ordered to take performance improvement program. Luckly I did not forward this email to anyone.
And guess what, like a genetic moron as he was, he blamed Quixtar for his job loss.
I find similar traits on this forum, and please do not repeat the same mistake in your companies or jobs provided if you have any. If you do, please check if your company is partnered with Quixtar or not.
Otherwise, you might get the same treatment like the south indian guy got.
ANd of course you will come onto the world wide web like a typical world wide loser or rather world wide winer, proclaiming that you lost your friends, family, job and your undergarments because of quixtar.
So when are quixtar and amways sueing msnbc? They should have done that long ago by now, shouldnt they?
I'm not owner of amway, i cant answer that question.
Why dont you all americans hire a battery of high profile lawyers and file a lawsuite against amway and how they cheat people? As sueing if favorite pastime of people in america.
As you all know everything about this company. You are more than welcome to do that, i'm sure you will win the case. And you can be an over night millionaire.
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why do we have to have a conversation in this manner? is it necessary? or can we do it in a slightly more mature manner?
you talked about BBB and all, do you know what is the difference between BBB, consumer protection agency and FTC? I did post a report by FTC. So is the company a scam no, and btw the company can not be sued for the action of its 'independent' distributors, and its the tactics, the approach and misrepresentations which are the issue, not the company's products.
there are numerous other Multi Level Marketing companies, forget amway/quixtar and just read up on multi level marketing, from industry experts and see their opinion on how it works and the pros and cons.
anyone who says it is a con is not 100% right, and anyone who says this is a nobrainer opportunity without risks, thats not accurate as well.
I agree with you, there are many network marketing companies, that might not or do not have a good business model. I absolutely cannot talk about other companies.
I personally have not done any research about any other network marketing Cos. so I cannot talk about them.
The numbers shown by quixtar business model, are approved by FTC. As far as the amway folks are concerned, there are people who conduct this business in a very unprofessional manner or try to inflate the numbers or they cannot take no for an answer.
But one should remember, any business has to have people, even if you are in a animal food business, animals are not going to come into your store to buy your products, you have to attract people.
Regarding other MLMs are concerned, one should not only see their business plan but also their products and services. Some of network marketing cos sell only mattresses, some sell one one kind of juice, some sell only internet services.
As far a quixtar is concerned, it has more than a million products,its like a online gated shopping mall. And you get paid by the volume you create and not by the number of people you have.
Quixtar guarantees its products for 6 months, a customer you can use/consume the product and even return the empty pack or cans to quixtar saying he or she did not like its products. Quixtar will return your money, if you do that in 6 months from the date of purchase.
Try doing the same in walmart or target and for that matter any other MLM, use a walmart toothpaste and try to return it after you use it, if you dont like it. Walmart is going to laugh at you.
One should also see this part of amway as well. For that matter, any business support material that if get is subject to the return policy.
This thread was started as Quixtar, and not as MLM companies. That is the only reason, I'm trying to state some facts about quixtar.
Its a privately held 8 billion dollar company and its Debt free and more than 50 years old.
My posts are related only to quixtar and not about MLM, every network marketing co have different business model and return policies.
As far as risk and losing money is concerned, Quixtar gaurantees 6 months money back gaunrantee on its products, one really has to be extremely stupid like that south indian to loose money in this case.
Plus I'm not saying everybody who joins quixtar makes money. That does not mean every body who joins quixtar ends up being destitute.
If you join ATT as a deveoper, that does not mean you are guaranteed that you will become a CEO of ATT.
Your awards and rewards are based on your honesty, integrity and your hard work.
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one thing that I will correct, for the company the money comes in from multiple channels but majority of the 'independent distributors' dont make money by selling products, but through the downlines, and seminars etc for their down lines. I have seen a number of people try at this, first exposure being during college , where my room mate tried it for ages and worked his tail off recruiting people and did not really do much.
there was a good study on quixtar on avg income generated for people, and the stats were interesting, I will have to find it though.
quixtar may refund money for products but not on fees paid to join the network. products are fine, business model is fine, the company needs to rein in its distributors. Last time I checked, they had a code of behavior etc set up, but I can tell you from personal experience its not adhered to.
the horse and pony show of having a 'seminar' with many people and pairing them up with downlines and the hardsell is almost as pleasant as talking to a used car salesman. Now if someone I know or run into some event shares information with me in a sensible manner then thats one thing.
my last three interactions.. one dude and his wife were at IKEA and he goes, I have seen you somewhere, do you work here, do you work there..we just got talking and he says he is in marketing and vague about what, gives me his card, we exchanged numbers, and then as I was leaving I knew what it as, his card was from one of those free 250 cards joint..he called at all idiotic hours, and will not leave a message, finally I had to tell him that I was not interested, so his wife calls my home from her number and does the hardsell on my wife, about how she can be contributing to the household finances and have spending money for her clothes and all.
then there was this chinese looking dude, who approached me at an electronics store going hey I have a business that will fit you well, I am thinking.. like what..male pornography? I told him I was not interested, he kept on giving me stats its a $XN company, been around for X years, you can make this much and that much.
last one was hilarious, one south indian guy, just plopped himself next to me at the train and stuck his hand out, hi I am shri, how would you like to drive a porsche, I said well shri..I already drive one, thank you. he was like b-b-b..it did not help his case that he had a quixtar binder in his hands.
the company or its products, I dnt particularly care for, I am neutral, but this independent sales force..cant stand em..
lol, thats totally fine, as long as you politely say no to them, and the people who contact you are not rude you.
People are free to contact you and you are free to say no. Lets not take it personally, and Co. does not keep a count, how many times you have been contacted.
Its a free country, all people do is to check your interested. Thats it.
One comment that you made, "for the company the money comes in from multiple channels but majority of the 'independent distributors' dont make money by selling products, but through the downlines, and seminars etc for their down lines. "
Quixtar, does not conduct any seminars, it is the association of independent distributors that conducts these seminars, so Co. does have any income thru that.
Independent distributors do make money by selling products. Because, they get products at whole sale and sell it at retail, thats normal. It like any other business, like any other store.
As long as you are neutral and polite, there should be no reason to get offended. all the best to you.
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yup i know amway itself does not get income but these independent distributors do, thats why I said 'independent distributors' make bulk of the money from these seminars and videos and books and cds.
its less of an issue of me being neutral and polite vs these sales guys being annoying, pushy and misdirecting people. its they who give other distributor brethren of theirs a bad name, akin to insurance salesmen and used car salesmen etc...
I would think it would be in amways own interest to weed out such people.
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Yes, it happens in every industry. There are people who invent their unique ways of doing business without sticking to the guidelines. One should ignore such people. But, there are others who do stick to the guidelines.
Just like at times , Islam gets bad name in internet, media and press because of some over zealous joker with a muslim name, uttering Allah o Akbar while beheading some non muslim. Negative spreads faster than positive. Its very easy. People will see negative everywhere, if people dwell on negative, but the idea is to dwell on positive, so that people can see positive everywhere. Thats all
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it happens in every industry and happens more in some industries than others, why dont software sales guys have the rep as used car sales.
when there is that much negative, corrective action must be taken.
also, when there is that much negative, it is a great opportunity for people to differentiate themselves. so yes if these amway guys approach people in a responsible manner, provide more facts and not add glitter to it, it would be better for the image of thee networks. so for any generic amway sales guy the advise would be that there is a lot of negative perception because of actions of your peers, and you can distance yourself from it if you approach people properly and present the business proposition properly.
used car dealers and salesmen had a bad name due to their tactics, carmax happened out of the blue.