Questions about the Quran

[NeSCio]

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ravage: Please, don't let the unrelated stuff discourage you. Do carry on posing your questions :k;

PakistaniAbroad, ahmadjee, USResident, funguy: Do continue the insightful discussion. It was very informative. Don't feel compulsed to reply to any other provocative posts.

[ravage]

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@PakistaniAbroad

Only Arberry uses “Greek”.. all other translators have translated it as “Rome” or “Romans”.

Anyway, this is an interesting verse cuz almost ALL traditional translations talk of a Roman defeat and then victory, with Allah’s help and believers rejoicing over it.

Some non-tradionalists have however blamed misplaced A’raabs and claim that it actually means the Romans were first victorious (Battle of Mutah) and were then defeated (Battle of Tabuk).

so what do the traditionalists interpret it as? also didnt the Prophet turn back in Tabuk (my Islamiat is quite sketchy)

thanks nescio :k:

[AQ]

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This is beyond common sense to have debate on the translation of the Arabic “AL-ROOME” as Romans or Greeks
Transliteration:
30:2 Ghulibati alrroomu]

here is a reference via a google search: Islam Guide: Verses in Quran That Mention Future Events Which Later Came to Pass

[USResident]

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@ahmadjee

Ravi Bhai I agree that the prophets are mentioned again but I doubt the same event is mentioned again, different parts of the same event are mentioned in different surahs.

I am sure you already know but I just want to mention that Quran when revealed was in a different order than it is compiled. I have heard that in some museum there is an ancient Quran compiled in the order it was revealed. Quran revealed to AnHazoor (saw) in Mecca had fewer mentions of these prophets, instead it was primarily based on oneness of Allah and the glad tidings of the future. Quran revealed in Madina with a large presence of Jewish tribes and some Christians deals with past prophets a whole lot. In my understanding it was to correct the past scripture that they would quote to Muslims and to talk in terms they would understand. It also goes to show the truthfulness of Quran that even in this day and age the majority of the world can relate to these prophets and their stories more so than any other prophets. Between the 2.1 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Muslims and 1 billion or so atheists with forefathers from the judo-christian back ground, the greater half of the world can discuss and find commonalities in religion and come together. As appose to if Quran talked about the prophets that came to the Germanic tribes of Europe or that of South America.

Seems logical. Additionally I would agree that hardly the same part of the story is repeated in different Surahs, if it is, then it adds some details. And it also highlights some factor within the context of the verses surrounding it i.e. meaning when verses discuss a certain principle or topic and a Prophets or Nations story is related there, then more than likely it is that portion of the story, which demonstrates some aspect in either agreement or contrast with what is being discussed.

[ravage]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

here is a reference via a google search: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-4.htm

cool info :k:

[bao_bihari]

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Ravage-

Quran is not a history book , rather it meant for our hidayat and thus qisas are repeated as when they are deemed necessary .

You can read more about why qisas are mentioned at some particular place by reading differentAuthentic Tafaseers.
Qasas ul quran also is a very handy book

Stories From The Qur'an : 2 volume set with holding case : English...

[PakistaniAbroad]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

This is beyond common sense to have debate on the translation of the Arabic “AL-ROOME” as Romans or Greeks
Transliteration:
30:2 Ghulibati alrroomu]

here is a reference via a google search: Islam Guide: Verses in Quran That Mention Future Events Which Later Came to Pass

actually Arberry may not be too far off.. “Byzantine” was used to describe the Eastern Roman Empire which had a heavily Greek cultural and liguistic influence.

ravage, where the traditional explanation fails is when the Qur’an specifically mentions “and on that day the believers shall rejoice”..

traditional explantions have been lame at best.. since the Byzantines weren’t “friends in religion” to the Muslims at all.. they were more Greek/pagan than they were Christian, not to mention the Qur’an condemned the Christians of that time as having veered off the right path. Why then would the believers rejoice in a Roman victory, specially since they got a beating by them at Mutah in 629?

You’re right that Tabuk may not be a ‘decisive’ victory but more a tactical one.. so perhaps the verse is referring to Yarmuk in 636..

[kumar12345]

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is anything said about India or its gods prophets or any reference in quran or hadiths

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@kumar12345

is anything said about India or its gods prophets or any reference in quran or hadiths

No, to my limited knowledge. Except for the hadith of Adam, which scholars claim to be a weak narration the Adam, started his earthly life from the Indian region.

[kumar12345]

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which indian region to be specific.. and where did he shifted from india

[Mostar95]

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It only narrates stories of a limited region - middle east! Nothing about rest of the world!

[Mostar95]

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The same stories told by other so-called heavenly books!

[MKF]

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Mostar

Every holy book has been revealed to a specific region and all the stories are about the things which are of interest to those people. it will serve no purpose if stories of south america are included, however the message is off course for whole humankind.

[Kaka_MaNNa]

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It is not the story that matters, it is the MESSAGE and the LESSON within.