Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
Now that Pakistan is an ‘ally’ of US in the war against terrorism, no one remembers that there were sanctions and embargoes on us during the 90s that lead to the situation we are in.
Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
Wow, I can't believe Hillary acknowledged that! Obviously the Taliban were created by the US to fight the Russians just like Saddam was given power by the US.
The US creates problems for themselves. And obviously you can't say that the religious extremism was funded by the US. The people belonging to the religious extremist idealogy were funded by the US and given power to fight the Russians. The US was desperate to defeat the Russians and did whatever it could to get the Russians out of Afghanistan even if it meant giving power and resources to the Taliban who were a dangerous breed to deal with!
its quite insensitive for pakistanis to paint all the mujahideen who took part in war against russian aggression as 'some problem' that was created by someone. It was their faith and brilliance that took them to that jihad. usa was okay with them fighting the war yet not okay with them gaining the control of coutnry they laid their lives for. shameful for muslims to be so callous with muslim sacrifices. what the hell is creation of taliban? they were regular muslims, who fought against an aggressor , now you have some trouble mongers amongst them but it would be quite silly to paint everyone with the same brush and adopt american line. right now they are demanding an islamic system, america should've no qualms about labelling their demand as barbaric and brutal but we pakistani muslims should think twice before we take that route. i suggest a book 'Yeh tairay Pur israr banday' by Mufti Rafi usmani who then took part in the jihad.
While we hear so many tactics employed by taliban i am very very skeptical of pakistani regime doing everything they can do in facilitating a truce to be drawn. They should simply employ their scholar and collaborate with taliban to come up with a shariah system. Shouldnt be trouble as most of the smujahideens were educated by these scholars. And lets not call people like ejaz ul haq scholars ,rather employ the genuine scholars and actually lilsten to what they suggest rather than using them to negotiate and then doing what ever the hell we please, as happened in lal masjid.
Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
^ Something sensible at GS atlast!
its quite insensitive for pakistanis to paint all the mujahideen who took part in war against russian aggression as 'some problem' that was created by someone. It was their faith and brilliance that took them to that jihad. usa was okay with them fighting the war yet not okay with them gaining the control of coutnry they laid their lives for. shameful for muslims to be so callous with muslim sacrifices. what the hell is creation of taliban? they were regular muslims, who fought against an aggressor , now you have some trouble mongers amongst them but it would be quite silly to paint everyone with the same brush and adopt american line. right now they are demanding an islamic system, america should've no qualms about labelling their demand as barbaric and brutal but we pakistani muslims should think twice before we take that route. i suggest a book 'Yeh tairay Pur israr banday' by Mufti Rafi usmani who then took part in the jihad. While we hear so many tactics employed by taliban i am very very skeptical of pakistani regime doing everything they can do in facilitating a truce to be drawn. They should simply employ their scholar and collaborate with taliban to come up with a shariah system. Shouldnt be trouble as most of the smujahideens were educated by these scholars. And lets not call people like ejaz ul haq scholars ,rather employ the genuine scholars and actually lilsten to what they suggest rather than using them to negotiate and then doing what ever the hell we please, as happened in lal masjid.
Purpose of "who created Taliban" question is not to portray all of them as "problem child", rather the very same that the actual people who are being called problem child (current Taliban) and to show that it was US who funded and trained them while they have been blaming Pakistan for it all this time.
The taliban are a product of many things..the Islamists amongst the Mujahidin in the 1980's were deliberatly given a free hand in refugee camps. The US and it's Arab allies KSA and Egypt provided weapons and used to encourage Jihad in literature amongst youngsters in camps and gradually in many Pakistani madrassahs. Key places used as recruiting and training grounds by pak agencies in Pakistan included Dar-ul Haqqania in Nowshera, lal masjid and sites in karachi. afghan monarchists and nationalists were sidelined or killed and initially the JI supporters like Hekmatyar was given preference by Ziasts.
This shifted to Deobandi madrassahs as US presence waned and the Pak govt wanted to maintain deniability. The blowback of this policy helped trigger sectarian violence in Pakistan between shia-sunni and barelvis..and when the JUI was an ally of the PPP the G of P was looking new allies in afghanistan and with the help of the IB and interior ministry the taliban were launched with pak support.
It was a typo. It was not a US strategy to create ‘Taliban’.
Now go learn some history.
yeah, Alqaida was also a non-US strategy… anything else you’d like to add? 
Why don't you stick to the topic?
You can live in fool's paradise all you want, but the truth is that Taliban was created by mullah-infested ISI.
You can not change the facts by just cherry-picking some statements from American officials.
While I don't consider Americans to be our real friends, Pakistanis need to stop blaming everyone else for their own follies. We Pakistanis created and supported Taliban by recruiting Afghan students of Maulana Samiul Haq's madressah system. And now these monsters are coming back to threaten Pakistani people themselves.
There is a huge price we are paying due to our support of these fasadi enemies of Islam and Pakistan. And yet some naive Pakistanis still can not see the light.
There is no way a problem can be solved if there is no recognition of root cause of that problem. You can beat about the bush all you want, this monster will continue to haunt our coming generations.
Purpose of "who created Taliban" question is not to portray all of them as "problem child", rather the very same that the actual people who are being called problem child (current Taliban) and to show that it was US who funded and trained them while they have been blaming Pakistan for it all this time.
i realize what you said in your post. my response was in result of the reaction it raised. i disagree with the fact that they were 'created' by someone. they werent even funded until 2 years after their struggle began and even then very very sparingly. US came to claim the prize much later only so that they can trap them into a later agreement. which they declined but thanks to jonaijo we signed on.
Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
I created the Taliban and Al Qaeda ..... i'm an Ahmadi living in Germany so go on the hunt for me :)
PPL for god's sake ...... does it make any sense in blaming xyz for the creation/support/feeding of these hate mongers who act worse than animals when it comes to treating the weak
If u still can't understand by now that they and EVERYONE else who is out there to solve the problems with Force then wait for History to be repeat itself ......
I quote Hasan Nisar "Tareekh ko maskh kartey ho to Tareekh ka kuch nahi bigarrta, woh tum ko maskh kar kay rakh day gi" : Translation "if u deface the History, nothing happens to History but it'll deface u"
Pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz
Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
Hillary Clinton speaks on using Taliban and the Wahabi idealogy:
Re: Question: Who created Taliban?
muslim states' absent unity is the reason why any one can gang up on Pakistan.
why some are really paranoid nation who like to fight our fights not on our land, but on others. and in doing so, they make money, dissolve so many generations of people and dont care killing people for our own safety.
politically the heinous crafty jargon - words including national security threat, read maps to peace, democracy and freedom needs of the target state, magnified presence of extremists in the target state, alliance building with anti-Pakistan nations, discrediting of other muslim nations, exhalting the leader nation status of US, undying desire / an obsession for acquisition of arms of another soverign state, self claim on the need for the american forces to join in to create a war scene within another nation state, are all
ingredients we know of.. sad thing is, it hurts the credibility of the US and other party western national alliance. they are making their selves harder future relations with any muslim state.
and then, media wise, the countless small stories for exposure of minute issues to distract from the main wicked scheme and so forth is all the same.
what is missing is, either muslim states need a sense of shame or a sense of awakening.
and they must rely on their own to clean up their houses - countries.
or else, Pakistan will become another occupied state of the international group of countries, mostly western, who feel, that they are the police of all nations.
if for once, they totally are hand off from all muslim states, and can leave the corrupt part of the leaders to their own devices, things will be far better for both america and these same states.
but, since the US- western alliance with isreal as well as arabian states, true and patriotic muslim states cannot singly deal with the spinner schemes which are thrown to destablise the country, all kinds of evidences for all world wide attacks in mosques, hotels, subways, buildings and stadiums are staged by sell outs.
muslim states need a long and strong huka of reality to smoke full on.. to clearly see what is being done around them and to them, to their lands and their future generations.
the rest of the world, if it tries to get to us, we must enagage in teaching, how we defend ourselves on our own. every living person in muslim states need to be on a stand by to show the world, that justice demands being a little less self-absorbed and a little bit of being fair and God fearing.