Question to Muslims

Society Religion & Philosophy
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Originally posted by wasir:
**Listen Bro,

I am not blaming you for hating Sahabas, but thats my judgement after reading comments from Shia about some great personalities.
Just one question about Hadrat Amir Muawia(Radi Allah an hu)
Did he declare war against Hadrat Ali(Radi Allah an hu) or Hadrat Ali(Radi Allah an hu) declared war against him).

**
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Your question shows your level of understanding of sher-e-Khuda Ali-Ibne ABi Talib (as).

And its interesting how you keep asking Allah to be raazi with Muawiya after he killed both dear grandson's of our Prophet and didnt even leave the wife of our Prophet, Ayesha.

Tell me something. Can Allah still be raazi and happy with the killer of both of the prince of pradise?

[This message has been edited by Pagluu (edited July 20, 2001).]

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Thanks much to all muslims for giving me insight into this sensitive matter. Especially to Abdul Basit,Omer Iqbal,Sky Walker,Changez like and wasir.

I never asked if muta is islamic or not. I already explained my opinion about it in the starting post.

Babydoll: You want me to teach lies to my kids, sorry.

a1shah: why would my kids be asking why and how Umar abolished the said practice? Think hard before asking questions.

Paglu: You are living upto your nick.
I am trying to teach my kids how to lead good life and to be a good muslim. To be a good muslim they dont need to learn "How khalifa reacted.........".

In the day of judgement Allah is not going to ask about what I tought my kids about "how khalifa reacted..."
He is going to ask about if I tought my kids how to lead good life in this world and thereafter.

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Ok…
now I don’t know about Muta
(and I’m not going to pretend I do) so you must understand how I’m sitting here going “…what…” :confused:
All I’ve gotten so far is this asian guy (I’m asuming he’s asian) has an american girlfriend.
I personally don’t see anything wrong with this picture. And I’m not telling you to tell lie’s to your kid’s but I just don’t see why you can’t tell them the truth.
Your friend like’s this girl (obviously) what does it matter if she’s asian/american/chinese??? If he really love’s her I don’t think anyone should stand in the way of their relationship.
Please don’t take this post the wrong way :frusty2: Im just trying to understand here… :ahaa:

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[quote]
Originally posted by analyze it:
**Thanks much to all muslims for giving me insight into this sensitive matter. Especially to Abdul Basit,Omer Iqbal,Sky Walker,Changez like and wasir.

*I never asked if muta is islamic or not. I already explained my opinion about it in the starting post. *

Babydoll: You want me to teach lies to my kids, sorry.
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When did I lie to you?

See your above statement (in bold), you said you are not questioning muta being Islamic or not and that you have your own view about it.

I don't want to get into shia-sunni debate, as I know very little about shia-isme or sunni-isme.

When he said; he is married to that women, why is it difficult for you to accept his word?

He doesn't have to tell you about his sexual relationship and his affair.

And living in a western society, people can easily sleep around with just about anyone without having any kind of guilt whatsoever.

But he told you that he is MARRIED to that woman.

Just because he didn't have any grand ceremony and other ritual and custom like your type of thing.

That's not a reason to accuse someone of committing Zinna.

There are many customs related to marriage.

Even among Muslims there are differences. Between an Indian and Pakistani, between an Arab and Persian, between an African and Indonesian..etc

Is a Hindu marriage valid? Is a church marriage valid? How about the court marriage?
Las Vegas type of thing???

Didn't everything in Islam start with niyath?

I know a nikah that took place through a phone because the lady was in Iraq and the man was here. They are both Sunni. And have never met each other.

You can tell your children that "He is a Shia and he is married to that women. Their marriage is through a ceremony called mutaa. And since we are Sunni, our school of thought has some disagreement with this thing called "Muta". And we hopes that Allah will forgive all Muslims for their mistake"

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Sweet prep:
I am totally taken by what you are trying to say. Please get it together first.

Baby doll:
I am sorry that you got offended. I did not mean.
In plain English, this guy is involved in a sexual relationship with this woman and(is not married in the legal islamic manner). Now if I tell my kids that this guy is actually married to this woman, to my understanding that will be a lie.

You wrote: "When did I lie to you?",
I never said that you lied to me. show me that. I wrote, " You want me to teach lies to my kids, sorry".

In Islam, marriage is not about custom. I guess I have to provide reference how marriage takes place in Islam. To summarize, It consists of 1) Nikah 2) witnesses 3)guarantee money or mehar 4) Valima

Babydoll: you have asked many other questions and I feel that your concept of marriage in Islam is not totally clear. Please open a separate thread if you want to discuss it. thanks. and don't be offended again.

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sweet__prep or watever ur nick is!

the question is not about love ... its about living with each other for 3 years as boyfriend and girlfriend without actaully being married thats adultury the last time I checked ... unless ur naive enough to think that they are not doing anything!

To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.

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Originally posted by analyze it:
*Baby doll:
I am sorry that you got offended. I did not mean. *
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Dont worry. No harm done. I am not offended at all.

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In plain English, this guy is involved in a sexual relationship with this woman and(is not married in the legal islamic manner)
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This is open to debate. You have open a separate threads for that.

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Now if I tell my kids that this guy is actually married to this woman, to my understanding that will be a lie.
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But....if they are married and you say otherwise, then you are slandering the poor man. Which in my opinion is more terrible. Accusing people of Zina is a serious thing according to Islamic rulling. I still think its in the best interest to give him the benefit of doubt.

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You wrote: "When did I lie to you?",I never said that you lied to me. show me that. I wrote, " You want me to teach lies to my kids, sorry"
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My mistake. I wanted to write "When did I ask you to tell your children a lie"
From my understanding, this man is married, not because its mutaa or something but because his word should mean something, right?

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The real thingIn Islam, marriage is not about custom. I guess I have to provide reference how marriage takes place in Islam. To summarize, It consists of 1) Nikah 2) witnesses 3)guarantee money or mehar 4) Valima "
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I agree. Marriage is not about custom, its more than this. These 4 thing you listed, I accept it. But.....these 4 things to me also seems like a custom.

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*Babydoll: you have asked many other questions and I feel that your concept of marriage in Islam is not totally clear. Please open a separate thread if you want to discuss it. thanks. and don't be offended again. *
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Again, I am not offended.

Take care

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Ok I wasn’t trying to question anything :rolleyes: I’m just from a totally diff. culture and didn’t understand the problem. I was just trying to get at what ya’ll were talking about! But thanks anyway…

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Sweet prep, this is a forum dominated by pakistani and muslim people so there was the misunderstanding.
In Islam any sexual activity between two unmarried(to each other) persons is strictly forbidden.
Christianity or Jewism does not allow that either but these religions are relatively vague about it.
In modern day western culture all kind of sexual exchange betwwen consenting adults is acceptable therefore you would find it hard to understand what we were talking about.

Anyhow you are most welcome to pose more questions and learn more.

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Originally posted by Tanhaa:
**Wah Wah Baby Doll. Perfect answer. this guy is faithful for three years with a Christian girl. That is far better than the many official marriages and divorces. When a man and woman treat each other with love and respect, to my mind, Allah blesses these couples.

The official marriage ceremonies are for legal purposes. And of course give the mullas something important to do, and an opportunity for people to celebrate. **
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It seems like you're quite "destroyed" by Western Cultural Values. One of The many reasons why marriage is allowed and Zina is haram is that Marraige takes place openly in front of People so that couple will be legally declared "Married" and no one will have doubt on their purity.

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Your understanding conflicts with Islamic Beleives.