would you blow up a masjid filled with Ahmadis?
if you're an ahmadi, would you blow up a masjid filled with sunnis?
do you know anyone who would do so?
do you think more than 50% Pakistanis would do so?
we have some crazy mullahs & their followers who will definitely able to do this, because after all everyone else is kaffir .. so kill.. ..kill brother.. blow yourself up..
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
Just forgot those so called Mulla's who are on the pay roll of USA & India and just performing their disgusting work here but not all. Right now in this incident its clearly shown that only outsiders are involve here.
but Pakistanis generally hate ahmadis too ya? they call them 'murtid' and God knows what not
Choco, ever second day there are attacks on Muslims Mosque? so will u say 50% remaining Muslims wanna kill each other. Please don't create frustration here. we are here for fun. So it will be better to discuss this thing in Religious section or in All Views.
what makes you think I'm creating frustration? I knew we'd all agree that no one should be blown to bits... so what's there to disagree about, and what's there to be frustrated about? and I didn't 'state' that 50% muslims want to kill each other. I just -said- that -if- it was the case, I'd be very disappointed(its what someone told me is a fact, and now I'm researching it)
and by the way, this thread has nothing to do with the recent incidents in Pakistan...
and just move this thread to religion section or wherever you want to... gawd... though its not really 'religious' thread. I'm not teaching Islam here, only talking about our social behavior towards a minority.
Following are the questions I needed answered in this thread:
1. Would you go as far as getting violent or justifying the violence against any sect in Islam, specially Ahmadism?
2. If no, then do you personally know anyone who would?
3. If no to no.2 as well, then in your opinion what is the percentage of Pakistanis who're illiterate or brain-washed enough to do this?
all i know is what these people are doing to other people is ironic.
who? Ahmadies? or the ones blowing Ahmadies up?
Shut up you stupid ignorant Indian.
YOU stfu
how dare you call me indian, تو انڈین تیرا خاندان انڈین
get your facts right before calling someone 'indian' else you'll only prove yourself as a retard
I think of Ahmadism as a seperate religion from Islam (just like Bahaism, Sikhism etc.) but I do not advocate violence against them
that part in bold is all I wanted to hear in this thread. everything else you wrote about me being indian, ahmadi girls being hot and ahmadis not being muslim was bs
How Islamic of you to say that...
And you think you have the right to call them non-Muslim. LOL
I know right... hypocrites :D
people who play these blowup games most likely dont browse GS much..
apparently they do browse facebook though! one of them told me something like "come join us brother, and let us kick these ahmadis out of Pakistan"
I was like wtf
then he went on to explain who ahmadis were non-muslims and how the Prophet had made non-muslims pay special taxes to live with them and so on
In my opinion, even if it really was the right thing to do with Ahmadies Islamically, you still have far major problems that should take priority! HOW ABOUT MAKE YOUR OWN SELF WORTHY OF BEING CALLED MUSLIMS FIRST? :s what's all this hype about 'it's fun being young' and 'sab keh dou' and this bull **** going on in Pakistan? disgrace! Either be true muslims and then you can kick supposedly non-muslims out of your country or make them pay special taxes, or announce your state as a secular one without any religion and then co-exist with everyone, even ones who -you- think are non-muslims!
P.S.: how the hell do you increase text size on this forum? isn't [size=1] suppose to work[/size]
what kind of sick person are you to joke around in a topic like this? if you don’t have anything useful to say, how about staying shut?
and the question assumes that IF you were provided with equipment, would you carry out a massacre on any sect of Islam because you are told that they are ‘kafir’
word. I gotta change that, or die trying.
you’re talking about taliban? they are american employees, I don’t even want to discuss that. its true that it might be them doing each and everything, destroying Pakistan in a cheap way when America couldn’t get the chance to attack officially… but there definitely is some hatred within Pakistanis too, against other Pakistanis… and that pisses me off.
and be prepared to break loose like a pig on 72 hot virgins who let only those men touch them, who’re brave enough to blow themselves up 
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
You really are an ABCD aren't ya? Never set foot in Pakistan have you?
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
what makes you think so? :D
mein Rawal Pindi ki mitti ka bana houn =)
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
Because of the dumbass question.
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
which question?
about the percentage of Pakistanis that might agree to blow themselves up if it meant killing some 'kafirs'?
you know what... you have to be a non-sunni to know what Shias ahmadis and even pathans are going through in Pakistan. This bull **** must end. and the first step would be to stop denying that this happens and exists! My question was simple, but apparently you people are the ones too dumb to understand it.
since I'm not in Pakistan right now, I don't know the way people think there. So I thought it might be a good idea to ask the ones who do, about what do they think is the religious corruption percentage in Pakistan. I'm pretty sure its not as high as most people like to state it, but to get some ground upon which I can reply to those people, I needed this thread and you people haven't been very helpful. Shame.
Some of you thought I'm ahmadi... some of you thought I was abcd... no one could consider the possibility that I just might be another one of you from among you? with the only difference that I care a bit more about human life and unity of Pakistanis than you people seem to.
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
No because those of us who live in Pakistan know exactly how upset people were with the attack. How they condemned it and they know that the average Pakistani has enough issues dealing with load-shedding, rising costs, lack of jobs to even think about other people.
Like I said I highly doubt you have even set foot in Pakistan.
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
Actually... I think you're the one who needs to come out of the cupboard and see Pakistan for what it is. It's not 100% innocent. But at the same time, my claim is that its far more innocent and Islamic than most of the other countries such as Saudi Arabia.
Obviously there are people who are upset with the attack, I'm one of them myself. I never denied that, and my belief is that at least 95% Pakistanis would never do so. The remaining 5%... they're living in fake madrissas and some of them can be found in your everyday college too. So you obviously might not see every 1 out of 20 person around you to be a blood-thirsty extremist, but if you join them, they'll take you to places where every 20 out of 20 is an extremist. and then you'll know their numbers are greater than how many you see.
-BUT- as I said earlier, it was someone else who questioned the innocence of Pakistanis NOT ME. This thread was to show responses from Pakistanis inside Pakistan stating that a massive majority of Pakistanis that THEY know are free from such thinking, REINFORCING -MY- BLOODY CLAIMS!. HOWEVER... you started fighting and attacking me instead :s and even after I've explained it crystal clear in my last post, you still maintain an offensive stance towards me. How miserable...
I'd love to talk to you about how majority of you have been tackling economic woes, but the purpose of this thread is limited to how much I stated earlier and I unlike others don't like to pass those limits(usually).
I have just now read this thread. So I sense a lot of hidden anger and stress by some posters over here. Anyway, I feel that in order to intelligently talk about an issue like this - We first need to understand the background (with a cool head).
So by simply searching the Internet (including P2P services), I have found this book called HASHISH FROM QADIAN, uploaded at:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YZVWK69S
So below are some excerpts from it, everyone is of course free to make their own judgment.
Re: Question for Pakistanis inside Pakistan
that's very constructive of you Shahbaz I appreciate that. It probably took a lot of time to collect these, but I'm afraid these are off topic.
And I'd like to advise ahmadis here to not to read that, because they definitely will find it very offensive. Unless we have ahmadis here who consider conversion...
Shahbaz, the question is not what they are and if they are right or wrong, it's simply about how many of us are the worst of all muslims on earth, due to the way we treat and insult ahmadis. Their lives are often treated with less value than normal human life. It's Islamically unacceptable. I have ahmadi friends who are afraid of stepping inside Pakistan because of the things done to them... and many of those things aren't even covered by media by the way. Now that's the Pakistan I don't want to see. I want a Pakistan that loves all Pakistanis, regardless of their religious beliefs. Stop trying to impose your beliefs on others, because even Quran says there is no compulsion in religion!
Stop trying to impose your beliefs on others, because even Quran says there is no compulsion in religion!
I don't appreciate you talking to me in that tone mister. Because if you read my post again, you'll notice that I very clearly said that everyone is free to make up their own judgement...
I only reported something that I just happened to stumble upon - And that too wouldn't have happened had you not started this thread (which got me thinking). So I simply searched the Internet, and shared my findings with everyone else over here.
Shahbaz, the question is not what they are and if they are right or wrong, it's simply about how many of us are the worst of all muslims on earth, due to the way we treat and insult ahmadis. Their lives are often treated with less value than normal human life.
The German Nazis in World War 2 had set up concentration camps for the Jews. The "great" United States had also set up it's own camps for their own citizens who just happen to be of Japanese origin. And even today, see how quickly you'll end up in Guantanamo Bay if you start advocating for the rights of Muslims in front of the White House.
As far as I know, the Pakistani nation has never done anything like that to the Ahmadis. The state only says that they are no-Muslims, so that right there is the full extent of the argument. There really is nothing more to it.
If you are now going to shift the conversation into the realm of terrorism, then you should know that it's not a Pakistani problem, but a global issue...
I don't appreciate you talking to me in that tone mister.
look whose talking :s
Because if you read my post again, you'll notice that I very clearly said that everyone is free to make up their own judgement...
I only reported something that I just happened to stumble upon - And that too wouldn't have happened had you not started this thread (which got me thinking). So I simply searched the Internet, and shared my findings with everyone else over here.
can you be a bit more responsible while sharing things that you 'stumbled' upon? thanks.
and once again, this thread is not to argue if ahmadis are right or wrong, so your 'stumbled upon' material is first of all off topic. secondly it's offensive. You can post this sort of material ONLY if the topic asks for it.
The German Nazis in World War 2 had set up concentration camps for the Jews. The "great" United States had also set up it's own camps for their own citizens who just happen to be of Japanese origin. And even today, see how quickly you'll end up in Guantanamo Bay if you start advocating for the rights of Muslims in front of the White House.
I'm a so called 'holocaust denier'... I don't believe the holocaust ever occurred at the rate exaggerated by media. It was just another staged event by the elite to use as an excuse to illegally snatch Palestinian land from its real owners. and what does all that have to do with blowing ahmadis up again?
As far as I know, the Pakistani nation has never done anything like that to the Ahmadis. The state only says that they are no-Muslims, so that right there is the full extent of the argument. There really is nothing more to it.
of course there is. its about how those people are treated by us citizens. The governmental level is a completely different story, you guys simply 'HATE' them.
If you are now going to shift the conversation into the realm of terrorism, then you should know that it's not a Pakistani problem, but a global issue...
so you're actually denying the existence of extremist elements inside Pakistan? are you trying to say there are no blood thirsty brain-washed extremist anti-shia anti-ahmadi people inside Pakistan?
it doesn't matter if the brain washers are CIA agents like Osama or Pakistani sunni mullahs, these people DO exist and they're ruining the afterlives of many who fall in their traps. All this thread was asking for was an estimate of the percentage of people that could or have fallen in this trap, and 0% is not a realistic answer.
of course there is. its about how those people are treated by us citizens. The governmental level is a completely different story, you guys simply 'HATE' them.
No we don't, and I can prove it too! How? Well, you over here have been accused of being an ABCD (I think it means American Born Confused Desi, as in someone who is totally out of touch with the ground realities). You have also been asked if you yourself are an Ahmadi or not. And no one has said it yet, but I am sure the thought of you being an Indian instigator has crossed many minds over here.
However I will not say anything like that. I simply recognize that you are one of us (a true Rawalpindi ki mitti walla)! So your claims of being one of us is something I will not challenge!
Therefore this proves that we do indeed have people (like you for example) who love Ahmadis so much, as if there was nothing more precious in the whole universe! So what do you think is your percentage in our society? Here too, zero is no a realistic answer (as there must be 1000s like you)...
:D :D :D :D :D
would you blow up a masjid filled with Ahmadis?
if you're an ahmadi, would you blow up a masjid filled with sunnis?
do you know anyone who would do so?
do you think more than 50% Pakistanis would do so?
a) Never
b) Never
C) Know a very few people who support such things.
d) 1% would do so
can you be a bit more responsible while sharing things that you 'stumbled' upon? thanks.
and once again, this thread is not to argue if ahmadis are right or wrong, so your 'stumbled upon' material is first of all off topic. secondly it's offensive. You can post this sort of material ONLY if the topic asks for it.
I say that what I posted has historic value. And have you forgotten that you yourself said: "that's very constructive of you Shahbaz I appreciate that."...
Plus, I stressed on understanding the whole issue first (instead of getting all emotional about it). So that was a good starting point, as it would explain how everything got started. Therefore now that we have a very clear picture of that, let's move on.
Wow! Which cave are you screaming from? Have you ever been around 'real humans'? Try sometimes, we humans are not too unkind with non-human creaturs. We can teach you some human-like attitude which will help you think like a human too.
Your present thoughts are quite abnormal & not human-like
would you blow up a masjid filled with Ahmadis?
if you're an ahmadi, would you blow up a masjid filled with sunnis?
do you know anyone who would do so?
do you think more than 50% Pakistanis would do so?