Question for Muslims

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
** Thanks for pointing that out, PakistaniAbroad. And yes, if your faith tells you or orders you to abstain from certain food (whatever the food is), you MUST follow without question.

I have posted a question previously and it wasn't answered about halaal food. Maybe you can tell me.

The practice/requirement of making a food "halaal" and "kosher" is very similar. Why don't I ever see both marks on the same food package simultaneously? Or is it only not done in South Africa? What is the difference?**
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I have heard that "Kosher" foods are consumable by Muslim. But I'm not sure if "Kosher" meat is consumable, can anyone confirm that?

As indicated somewhere "Orthodox" Jews don't consume pork, so the "Kosher" foods don't contain an ingredient sourcing from pork, that makes it "okay" for Muslim consumption.


May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

Changez, as far as I know kosher meat is acceptable as long as halal meat is not available within that area. People, If im wrong than please someone say.

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The practice/requirement of making a food "halaal" and "kosher" is very similar. Why don't I ever see both marks on the same food package simultaneously? Or is it only not done in South Africa? What is the difference?
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The actions are indeed very similar. I guess Jewish slaughter (shechitah) requires a dedicated person (shochet)for the job . There is no such restriction with Muslims.

Also:

[al-Ma'idah 5:4] They ask you as to what is allowed to them. Say: The good things are allowed to you, and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey, training them to hunt-- you teach them of what Allah has taught you-- so eat of that which they catch for you and mention the name of Allah over it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is swift in reckoning.

[al-Ma'idah 5:5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them......

PakistaniAbroad: Considering that this Surah was one of the final Surah's revealed, it's orders stand over and above other traditions.

From (5:4), it's also clear that the "mention of Allah's name" need not necessarily be at the time of killing, but before one eats, which nullifies a requirement for the presence of a 'Muslim' to kill the animal.

These facts, actually make kosher meat 'halaal' for Muslims.

Why some Muslims may or may not eat it is for them to respond.


This Space For Rent

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

Ibrahim says Greetings of Peace to one and all

Old man . I have to disagree with you on this since your knowledge is based solely on the Bible and mine is based on a lot more scriptures including the bible

The words “Even Pork”, is your understanding due to limited information found in the Bible so I have to excuse you.

Second you seem to miss one of the most important points which is the next verse in

Genesis 9:

** 4. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.**

Ibrahim says: Thus there were limitations and ** any meat to be consumed MUST be” HALAAL”**

Which means Islamic slaughter practices must be followed and blood completely drained by slitting the throats and letting the blood to drain out first.

Now from the traditions of Prohet Nuh (pbuh) which is better known as “Manu smrti” in Hinduism . there were restrictions as to what meat can be consumed and pig was considered a vile creature even at that time frame. . which is why I have to consider your point is misconceived but accurate where the bible is concerned.

Ibrahim says: Old man, you are misinformed due to lack of knowledge. Your understanding is based on the Bible which sums up all the events from Prophet Adam to Prophet Ibrahim (pbut), billions(?) of years, in one chapter Because the Bible actually begins from Prophet Moses . which means finer details that are related to earlier prophets are not recorded therein.

Ibrahim says; Old man, I am amazed at how narrow your mind seems to be. The Creator gives a message for all of mankind through one chosen man which is meant for all of mankind in every nation and tribe. If the Creator restricted his message to one tribe or nation you are making God a racist God due to ignorance.

Ibrahim says : Lets Read!

Matthew 15

  1. Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,

  2. “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? ** They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” **

  3. Jesus replied,** "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?**

Thus the reference to what goes into the mouth** is concerning not washing ones hands before eating NOT ABOUT meat or forbidden things. **

Old man this is crazy in the sense here Christ is not talking about FOOD but about Character

character

: one of the attributes or features that make up and distinguish an individual
: moral excellence and firmness
: a person marked by notable or conspicuous traits
©1997, 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. All rights reserved.

The reason why Christians get confused about such sayings is ** because Christ used to speak in parables **

Lets Read!

Mark 4 :

  1. He (Christ) told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. ** But to those on the outside everything is said in parables **

  2. so that, "`they may be ever seeing** but never perceiving,** and ever hearing** but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’ " **

Ibrahim says : this is due to the fact that Christ was sent ONLY to redeem the Jews at that time frame

Ibrahim says; Old man! Firstly Acts is NOT the Gospel and second what you have misconceived is** part of a vision about heaven and not earth**

Read!

Acts 10: 11. ** He (Peter) saw heaven opened ** and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.

  1. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.

  2. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

  3. “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

  4. The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

  5. This happened three times, ** and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven**

Ibrahim says: ** Everything in heaven is lawful and PURE for man as per God’s will, but NOT ON EARTH ** and NO man has the right to change what was ordained by God, not even Christ.

Ibrahim says; Yes the apostles themselves had problems as to what was to be established for all of mankind but they did not approve any thing unclean

Lets read!

Acts 15: 19. "It is my (James) judgment, therefore, ** that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. **

  1. ** Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.**
    Ibrahim says: James and the disciples came to this conclusion because they were on the understanding that Christ will return to correct this

Read!

Acts 15:13. When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me.

  1. Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.

  2. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

  3. ** "`After this I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,**

Ibrahim says hence to misconstrue what the disciples agreed upon whilst negating what Christ taught would be short sighted.

Read what Christ taught!

Matthew 5: 17. Christ said: ** "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;** I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

  1. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, ** not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.**

Ibrahim says: exactly, this are the works of Paul the Jew who hated Christ , taught this and not the actual disciples of Christ.
The actual disciples only approved what was mentioned above as per acts 15:20 which cannot be authenticated or considered part of the Gospel message since they were in a dilemma as to what is to be established for the gentiles.

Ibrahim says: exactly, this are the works of Paul the Jew who hated Christ. Who decided to sell his own convictions to the gentiles, since they were left in the lurch and the actual disciples of Christ themselves were not sure as to what was to be established for them.

Ibrahim says: the Jews and Christians have deviated grossly from what was conveyed to them due to corruption of scriptures as such they are following what they feel comfortable NOT what God approved or disapproved at various time frames.

On the other hand Muslims do not have such problems as they have an INTACT message from God and they follow it as best as they could.

Ibrahim says; yep! Interesting indeed for people to try and follow the false teachings of Paul so that they can feel comfortable in their sins whilst overlooking the teachings of Christ.

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which will make them look as evil doers and sinners.

Regards
Ibrahim

** common sense always speaks too late **

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
* Why some Muslims may or may not eat it is for them to respond.
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*Is Kosher Halal? *

Islamic Dietary Concepts And Practices
** by M.M. Hussaini**

Often times Muslim consumers tend to assume 'Kosher' is similar to 'Halal'. Although the slaughtering rituals of Jewish people resemble those of Muslims; ** kosher and halal are two different entities carrying a different meaning and spirit.** Muslims, therefore, are provided with the following basic information about Kosher so they can exercise care in distinguishing halal from kosher.

Kashrut (in Hebrew) is the system of Jewish dietary laws. Kosher (kashur in Hebrew) means 'fit, or proper for use' according to Jewish law. Examples of kosher are: the meat of the 'fore quarter*' of the cattle slaughtered ritually, fruits, vegetables, all fish that have fins*, all wines*, all cheeses*, gelatin*.

The opposite of Kosher, as applied to food in Treif (in Yiddish), or trefah (in Hebrew) meaning 'not suitable for use', or 'forbidden'. Trefah literally means 'torn by a wild beast' (Exodus 22:30). Examples of Trefah are: blood, swine, rabbit*, all shell fish*, wild birds such as wild hen*, wild duck*, and the birds of prey.

(*) these food items exhibit a marked difference between kosher and Halal as well as trefah and haram. The differences are explained elsewhere in this section.

** Caution to Muslim Consumers: **

Halal is a comprehensive Islamic term encompassing not only the matters of food and drink, but all other matters of daily life. *Islam being the final and perfect Deen (religion) for mankind, it supersedes all the previously revealed religions including Christianity and Judaism. The rituals in all matters were perfected by Islam (al-Quran 5:3) *

According to Islamic Jurisprudence, no one except Allah can change forbidden (Haram) things into lawful (halal) for vice-versa. It is forbidden for people to change the lawful (Halal) things into unlawful (Haram), or vice-versa.

** Halal is a unique Islamic concept and eating dhabiha (Islamically slaughtered) meat is a distinguishing part of a Muslim's identity as expressed by Prophet Muhammad (S) **

Salient differences between kosher and halal are:

** Islam prohibits all intoxicating alcohols, liquors, wines and drugs. kashrut regards all wines kosher.** Hence food items and drinks showing the kosher symbol containing alcohol are not halal.

** Gelatin is considered kosher regardless of its source of origin. If the gelatin is prepared from swine, Muslims consider it haram (prohibited)** . Hence foods items such as marshmallows, yogurt, etc., showing kosher symbols are not halal.

** Enzymes (irrespective of their sources even from non-kosher animals) in cheese making are considered mere secretion(pirsah b'almah) according to some kashrut organizations, hence all cheeses are considered kosher.** Muslims look for the source of the enzyme in cheese making. If it is coming from the swine, it is considered haram(forbidden). Hence cheeses showing kosher symbols may not be halal.

** Jews do not pronounce the name of God on each animal while slaughtering. They feel that uttering the name of God, out of context, is wasteful. ** Muslims on the other hand pronounce the name of Allah on all animals while slaughtering.

The salient differences between kosher and halal have been illustrated so that Muslim consumers can distinguish halal from kosher.
Islam is a complete way of life providing infallible guidance to all its followers in all walks of life. Halal brings immense satisfaction to the Muslim life both now and in the hereafter. Muslims therefore, do not have to depend on any other set of laws for want of convenience.

The final, divine laws of Islam are indeed perfect and the best for all its followers for all time to come.

Muslims in non-Muslim countries should strive to follow the Islamic injunctions in their diet (as well as in every walk of life) and establish their own businesses and institutions to cater to the needs of the Muslim Ummah. By doing so, not only the identity of the Muslims will be preserved, but they will be recognized and respected for their beliefs and practices. What a subtle means of Dawa!
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Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all

For instance L-Cysteine (E920- flour treatment agent derived from Human/animal hair chicken feathers or synthetic ) is a kosher-certified ingredient even if it is from human hair because they consider hair as a dead part of human body. Islam does not allow any part of the human body to be used as food, so in Islamic terms this ingredient is not Halal (kosher).

Thus the notion that Kosher in the current Jewish context is not only has nothing to do with what kosher meant in the past, it cannot be accepted by Muslims ** unless there is no other source in which case even pork becomes halaal **

Further just mentioning the Name of Allah (swt) as approved in surah 5:4 applies only to meat being obtained by haunting (using animals) . This is similar to fish, for it dies when it is taken out of water by the fisherman and Muslims only need to say In the name of Allah when consuming it.

On the Other hand when an animal is being deliberately killed by a person who will consume the flesh of that animal. It is a requirement and obligation that such a killing be done with the permission of Allah (swt) by seeking his permission before the killing.

Thus the halaal meaning and kosher meanings are not one and the same.

Regards
Ibrahim

** we are all travelers on the same journey – but some travelers have better road maps **

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
PakistaniAbroad: Considering that this Surah was one of the final Surah's revealed, it's orders stand over and above other traditions.
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The way I understand Quran, if a latter ayat conveys a different order from a prior one, don't we follow the more recent one? Since the religious rulings got matured over the 23 year period of revelation.

Similarly, initially muslims were only asked to "not come near prayer when intoxicated" and later came the ruling for prohibition. Hence, we follow the latter ruling.

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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
*Further just mentioning the Name of Allah (swt) as approved in surah 5:4 applies only to meat being obtained by haunting (using animals) *
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Can you explain it more? And your sources and the basis for this particular interpretation?

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Originally posted by Pristine:

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*Originally posted by Ibrahim:
Further just mentioning the Name of Allah (swt) as approved in surah 5:4 applies only to meat being obtained by haunting (using animals) *

Pristine : Can you explain it more? And your sources and the basis for this particular interpretation?
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Ibrahim says: salaams to all

Dear Pristine.

I believe your question is best answered by the Qur’an and hadith

Surah Surah Al-Maida

3 ** Forbidden to you (for food) are:** dead meat blood the flesh of swine ** and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah** that which hath been** killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a headlong fall or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it ** (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. ** This day have I perfected your religion for you completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any forced by hunger with no inclination to transgression Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.**

4 They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food): say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: ** and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah; eat what they catch for you but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah;** for Allah is swift in taking account.

Commentary by Yusof Ali

In the matter of the killing for meat, the general rule is that the name of Allah, the true God should be pronounced as a rite in order to call our attention to the fact that we do not take life thoughtlessly but solemnly for food, with the permission of Allah, to whom we render the life back. ** The question of hunting is then raised. How can this solemn rite be performed when we send forth trained hawks, trained hounds, or trained cheetahs or other animals trained for the chase? They must necessarily kill at some distance from their masters. Their game is legalised on these conditions: (1) that they are trained to kill, not merely for their own appetite, or out of mere wantonness, but for their master's food; the training implies that something of the solemnity which Allah has taught us in this matter goes into their action; and (2) we are to pronounce the name of Allah over the quarry; this is interpreted to mean that the Takbir should be pronounced when the hawk or dog, etc., is released to the quarry**

Al-Muwatta Hadith Hadith 25.8

** Game Caught by Trained Dogs **

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard some of the people of knowledge say that when falcons, eagles, and hawks and their like, understood as trained dogs understood, there was no harm in eating what they had killed in the course of hunting, ** if the name of Allah had been mentioned when they were sent out.**

Malik said, "The best of what I have heard about retrieving game from the falcon's talons or from the dog's fangs and then** waiting until it dies, is that it is not halal to eat it."**

Malik said, "The same applies to anything which could have been slaughtered by the hunter when it was in the talons of the falcon or the fangs of the dog.** If the hunter leaves it until the falcon or dog has killed it, it is not halal to eat it either". ** He continued, "The same thing applies to any game hit by a hunter and caught while still alive, ** which he neglects to slaughter before it dies."**
Malik said, "It is generally agreed among us that it is halal to eat the game that a hunting-dog belonging to magians hunts or kills, if it is** sent out by a muslim and the animal is trained. There is no harm in it even if the muslim does not actually slaughter it. **

It is the same as a muslim using a magian's knife to slaughter with or using his bow and arrows to shoot and kill with. The game he shot and the animal he slaughters are halal. There is no harm in eating them. If a magian sends out a muslim's hunting dog for game, and it catches it, ** the game is not to be eaten unless it is slaughtered by a muslim. ** That is like a magian using a muslim's bow and arrow to hunt game with, or like his using a muslim's knife to slaughter with. It is not halal to eat anything killed like that.

Hope that helps.

Was salaam
Ibrahim

2: 173 He hath only ** forbidden ** you dead meat and blood and the flesh of swine and ** that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah ** but if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits ** then is he guiltless.** For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.

Hmmm… well to be honest, I never looked at it from the perspective of hunting animals, because its not a situation I face in regular life.

My question was basically with reference to 5:5 and 6:121. In 5:5 the meat from people of the book is ordered as halaal, without the condition of taking Allah’s name at the time of slaughtering. In 6:121 and many other ayat that condition is present. So, I needed to check the sequence of nazool. Reading both the rules together I always thought that we can eat meat from people of the book if they have taken name of God (or Allah) while slaughtering.

But then I checked the ruling from http://www.islam-qa.com and in question number 1998 they presented no such restriction. Instead they said that as long as the animal is not killed by strangulation or stun gun, its meat is permissible, when slaughtered by people of the book (christian and jews). The assumption is that they did not take the name of an idol on the meat. And we know that while slaughtering these christian slaughterhouses do not take any name on the meat.

Another answer is kinda confusing which is also on this same topic.

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Originally posted by Pristine:

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My question was basically with reference to 5:5 and 6:121. In 5:5 the meat from people of the book is ordered as halaal, without the condition of taking Allah's name at the time of slaughtering.
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Ibrahim says: salaams to all

Dear Pristine,

This is because the law given to the Jews was universally the same as the laws given in Islam with exceptions on the kind of meat only and not on the slaughtering method

Maybe this will help……….

** Kosher slaughtering ** ( Info from Jewish web site)

The mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). We may not eat animals that died of natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at the time of slaughter. These restrictions do not apply to fish; only to the flocks and herds (Num. 11:22).

Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. ** The method of slaughter is a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade with no nicks or unevenness.

This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible. **

Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat kosher.

The shochet is not simply a butcher;** he must be a pious man, well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often the same person. **

** Draining of Blood **

The Torah prohibits consumption of blood. Lev. 7:26-27; Lev. 17:10-14. ** This is the only dietary law that has a reason specified in Torah: we do not eat blood because the life of the animal is contained in the blood. This applies only to the blood of birds and mammals, not to fish blood. Thus, it is necessary to remove all blood from the flesh of kosher animals. **

The first step in this process occurs at the time of slaughter. As discussed above, ** shechitah allows for rapid draining of most of the blood. **

The remaining blood must be removed, either by broiling or soaking and salting. Liver may only be kashered by the broiling method, because it has so much blood in it and such complex blood vessels. This final process must be completed within 72 hours after slaughter, and before the meat is frozen or ground. Most butchers and all frozen food vendors take care of the soaking and salting for you, but you should always check this when you are buying someplace you are unfamiliar with.

Ibrahim says: Thus it is obvious it is halaal since Prophet Musa (pbuh) worshipped Allah (swt) The same was the practice of the Nasrani’s ( not today’s Christians) too , Unfortunately I do not believe this is the case today where the Jews do not even remember what YHWH means for sure thus what name they will be using in their slaughtering rituals is a puzzle that need to be investigated . Hence what they are practicing today becomes questionable. But 1400 years ago I believe this was not the case and one would have no doubts concerning their practices or eating kosher food.

On the other hand we cannot consume wine even though it is kosher , thus what 5:5 allows is concerning what we normally consume but from Jewish homes but nothing forbidden in Islam can be consumed just because it is kosher to them.

** So it boils down to, are the Jews and Christians qualified to be considered the people of the book today even though they have evolved tremendously. ** If one believes they are the same in word and action as compared to 1400 years ago. It is surely halaal to eat their food but if one believes they had changed and gone further astray then it is obvious they are not following kosher practices as prescribed in the past but following kosher practices that have been designed for the present. ** This is just my personal opinion and should not be taken seriously until fully investigated .**

I will advise you to follow the fatwaa as given by those who will take responsibility for them in these matters. I generally avoid such issues .

Allah (swt) knows best

Was salaam
Ibrahim

ibrahim everything you talk is look good
by the book the groundd realities are different. most of the muslims are not fighting chinese japanese who are not people of the book .

well the answer to the question by our american friend is simple
look pal pig is a unhygenic animal its dirty and doctors will tell you that its meat causes hypertention besides in early times pigs were not well kept and not properly bred as they are now so the logic was to keep the health of the masses good

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But 1400 years ago I believe this was not the case and one would have no doubts concerning their practices or eating kosher food.
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Based on 5:5, this is the crux of the argument. I read a scholar explain with references that the christians, at the time of Prophet (SAWW) believed Jesus to be the son of God, and had deviated considerably from the teachings, including the dietary rules. His point was that the christians 1400 years ago were deviated, and even then, Allah says in the Quran that their meat is ok for us.

However, when I read both 5:5 and 6:121 together, as I explained earlier, my thinking was that if the meat is from people of the book, then their meat is only halal if they had taken the name of God (not necessarily Allah) while slaughtering. I know this is a more restrictive intepretation of 5:5, but its better be safe than sorry.

Then, later I met another scholar who was from Egypt. He followed the Shafa'ii madhab. Now he said that according to 5:5 and the sunnah of Prophet (SAWW) it is makrooh to eat meat from christians, as long as we say Allah's name before we consume it. So, its makrooh and not haraam. The reasoning goes that normal meat we get in the market has no name recited when they are slaughtered, so while they are not halal, they are not haraam either. But rather makroh.

Again, this is probably shafai'i view point. All the other three madhabs consider that meat as prohibited (haraam), based on 6:121 and lots of other ayat, which specify that the name of Allah must be said before slaughtering.

The issue of "stun guns" is also another consideration, but its a moot point if we do not subscribe to shafa'ii ruling in the first place. If any one wants to know more, I will gladly explain the part about stun guns and their effect on meat being permissible or prohibited.

Thanks for that Ibrahim, very very interesting.All your posts. Keep up the good work

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my personal observation.
even though the "HALAL" meat is available in market from "Muslim" sources it is not clean as it should be. blood in arteries and veins is in abundance and it shows up while you are cooking. if the animal was slaughtered properly and allowed to let go all the blood (wait until the animal is cooled) then there would be no or minimal blood. so "zabiha" does not guarantee a clean meat (at least in US markets) though it is "halal" apparently.


May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

Ibrahim

there is enough discussion within the Jewish community with regards to permissibility of Gelatin from non-kosher sources..
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-palate-gelatin.htm
http://www.kashrut.com/articles/Yogurt/

have a read yourself

there is clearer indication that they are following the similar line that gelatin from non-kosher sources should not be consumed.. and not considered kosher..

So don’t you go claiming that you have better knowledge about other religions than their own Rabbis, Pastors, etc. (though you do know a lot about other religion - more than i do on many aspects)

On the matter of Kosher meat - For Kosher meat one (to three) Rabbi(s) must be present when the animal is slaughtered - by a trained slaughterman.

Blood is nevelah (or non-kosher) and must be removed.. that is why they salt their meat to remove all blood before it is cooked.

so.. if a (permitted) animal is slaughtered by the prescribed way - i.e. Zabihah/dhabihah for muslims - with a sharp knife cutting the carotid arteries with one swipe - and by calling the name of allah (or Yahweh or any other name) .. then the requirements are met.. and that meat is no different than halal meat.

Kosher basically means “permissible”.. and lo and behold .. that is excatly the same meaning for the word “halaal”.

The jewish rules are stricter than Islamic edicts with regards to premissibility of food items so as long as there is no food items in judaic diet which is “not allowed” in Islam.. then it can be considered as “halaal”.

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