Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
Maududi, just like JI is a joke
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
Here is another perspective of Maududi and JI's role in the creation of Pakistan....
Role of Religion in Politics:
Impact on the Civil and Military Society of Pakistan
Kapil Kaul
No one in the Muslim world has been able to influence a large number of masses than Sayyed Abul Ala Maududi. He was not only able to promote his radical thoughts within India but also influenced the likes of Syed Qutb in Egypt who, in the 1960s, became the leading ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood founded by Hasan Al-Bana in 1928. Amongst several of his literary works, Maududi’s ‘Islam’s Law of War’ was to have a far reaching effect. This treatise on Jihad was developed over a period of six months and published in 1927 in a series of articles in Al Jami’at.14According to Choueiri, Islam for Maududi was a revolutionary ideology to be followed by all members of the Muslim community in their struggle towards a “world-wide revolution that transcends artificial boundaries and national territories.”15 For him revolution was the highest form of Jihad and the use of force was a acceptable tool to topple neighbouring or distant countries. 16 Maududi was successful in reaching out to Muslim masses – especially in rural areas – people whose education was limited to the religious imprints of madarsas. Over a period of seventy-five years, this influence has bred a new generation of radicals who have no regard or respect for national boundaries and freely roam around the world implementing their ‘revolution’.
Maududi was opposed to the secular nationalism of the Muslim League and was its bitter critic before and after creation of Pakistan in 1947. For him the creation of Pakistan was un-Islamic and did not provide solutions for the problems of the Muslims in India. For him, the solution lay in restoration of Islamic rule in India and thereafter, by becoming part of the international Islamic community. In Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr’s opinion Maududi’s hardline Islamic views made him criticize the Pakistani government in 1948 since it had, “resumed support of the insurgents in Kashmir by dispatching armed para-military units. The Government had found a way to support such a move by calling the conflict a Jihad.”17 For Maududi, this action by the Pakistani Government. was sheer hypocrisy – for if a Jihad was to be launched, the government should have openly declared a war against India
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
i just began reading maududi’s writing like 2 weeks ago, i still had the belief that nationalism is kufr well before that. so no i do not blidnly follow maududi or any other scholar.
the worship in islam is not just confined to praying and fasting, there are issues of love, loyalty, and obedience involved. nationalism involved a person having pride of where he was born in, while the pride should not be part of any believer’s personality, especially not in something that creates division amonst muslims.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
What ThandyIdiot is trying to say that voting is not in Islam, dictatorship is, so let's bring back Saddam and make him khalipha. See what ThandyIdiot is saying is that Muslims are animals and Islam is the religion for them so Muslims being the animals that they are, are not intelligent enough to vote, so a dictatorship for them is mandatory. This is exactly what ThandyIdiot is saying. Thank you.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
your lack of knowledge is so obvious with your post that i dont think i should even reply to your post. judging from your post, you do not seem to be of sound mental capacity, may be of a mental age of about 10. i assume that your nick SK stands for short knickers. kiddo voting to choose your khalifa is not haram, but voting for people who assume the right to change the laws is. khalifa rules by the same set of rules that the prophet SAW ruled by. he does not make new laws. he does what quran and sunnah tells him to do. so he is not like parliament which makes and breaks and changes laws.
in surah yousef, the king of the servant was called “rabb” of the servent..thus if we follow some one’s laws instead of Allah’s laws, we are taking that person as a rabb or god besides Allah. that is parliament. it rules by itself, it does not regard book of Allah as implementable and that is where the problem lies.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
SK u could have said all that without calling him names,
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
Have you guys also looked at the role of the Unionist from Punjab who were against the creation of Pakistan and later were the leading figures in running the Pakistani administration for the next 20 some years?
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
First of all, the unionist after the creation of Pakistan didnt oppose Quiad's vision and principles like the matooz are doing so. Secondly, can you care to name the prime ministers or presidents that had anything to do with those unionists from Punjab over the course of those 20 years. You need to try harder, if you are to defend the jamaitis on this issue.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
What was there to appose after the creation, especially by the Unionists for whom everything was hunky dory since they were all in the newly Pakistanized Muslim league. Once they were grand-fathered in to Muslim league it doesn’t matter if they became prime ministers or presidents. They all became legitimate part of the same establishment they opposed.
Spock its you who thinks, or I might say "feels" that I must try harder to defend the Jamaitis, where as I am not doing that. Dear, All I am saying is that you cannot just single out the religious parties who were against the creation Pakistan due to some believes they held at that time. The Secular or centralist parties have been in control of Pakistani establishment ever since its was created, and a vast majority of these parties are the remnants of the Unionist party.
If I really wanted to defend then I would have quoted Iqbal and his stance on the blind nature of nationalism Pakistan is heading towards, which is totally against the Pakistan and Islam he envisioned.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
I am still waiting for the names of the Punjabi Unionists who were part of the administration of Pakistan from 47-67. Please dont come up with an excuse saying how the party disbanded etc. On the contrary the Jamaat-e-Islami still exists, if it would have disbanded, I wouldnt question their hypocrisy.
Coming back to the topic, Maududi type matooz who opposed the creation of Pakistan need to be sent to Afghanistan.
Tandy, you are saying that anyone who thinks hes a proud Pakistani is a kuffar? LOL
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah's speech on August 11, 1947.
I read somewhere jinnah regretted creating pakistan on his death bed. Is that true?
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
Gupta,
Find that “Somewhere” reference,…buddy,..I wanna know,…
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
aray baba even your own pakistani sites are saying these things
http://www.satribune.com/archives/jul06_12_03/opinion_chowdhuri.htm
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
I don’t think its a pakistani site,…also,..I question the intentions of that indian Satyabrata Rai Chowdhuri.
**BTW,..**the link you provided us is not pakistani site,…SOUTH ASIAN TRIBUNE…an indian paper.
That article is published under Opinion,…where anybody can give his/her opinion about anything,…check it again,…and make sure if its even worth discussing here.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
Gupta Gee,
Namaskar…
Ajee aisa tho na kahain…seems u didnt read the article, the referenced gentleman is a Professor from India and his views hv been printed by the ant-Mush SA Tribune. Having said that, even the learned professor has not provided references to the remark’s alluded to Jinnah.
By Satyabrata Rai Chowdhuri
“But Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah visualised it at the time of the inception of Pakistan itself. In his famous speech to the Pakistan Constituent Assembly in August 1947, he said : “…change your past and work together in the spirit that every one of you, no matter what community he belongs to, is first, second and last, a citizen of the state with equal rights.”
Apparently, this was lost sight of in the first few months after his death. In his last words Jinnah admitted that he committed a “blunder” by creating Pakistan.”
The writer is M.A.,Ph.D.,D.Litt., Emeritus Fellow, University Grants Commission of India. He is a former Professor of International Relations Oxford University, Guest Professor of International Relations, London School of Economics & Political Science, Senior Fellow, International Institute for Strategic Studies, London and Research Coordinator, Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Sweden.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
tariq ji SOUTH ASIAN TRIBUNE is a pakistani paper and i suggest your facts before saying something you do not know about.
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
Did professor,…provide any reference to support his imaginative remarks,..???
Re: Quaid-e-Azam, Mohd Ali Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947.
It’s been a while since I read that book at Dyal Singh College Library (Huge collection of Books on Punjab Political History) about who’s who in Punjab Politics, but I can still give you some names. But before I give those names, let me make sure that you understand that in 1936-35 elections Muslim League just won two seats from Punjab and the rest of the Muslim seats went to the Unionist Party which, was secular in nature and had all the feudalistic elements from Punjab. As I have already told you the process of grand-fathering started after the death of Sardar Skinder Hayat (1942) when Muslim unionist members started shifting their loyalties and aligned with Muslim League. But it would be a surprise for many that until 1946, that’s one year before Pakistan’s creation, families like Tiwana, Mumdot, Doltana, Raja Ghazanfer Ali and all had dual member ships. They were part of both the unionist Party and Muslim league. That’s in my point of view is the pinnacle of bigotry.
Some of the Unionist members which, became pretty prominent, were Nawab Iftikhar Hussain Mumdot Chief Minister (47-48) Mian Mumtaz Muhammad Khan Daultana Chief Minister (51-53), Malik Feroz Khna Nun Chief Minister (53-55) Shukat Hayat minister in the Punjab assembly, Hayat Khan Noon and Sir Jamal Khan Leghari were also member of the Punjab assembly and ex-unionist. Another big name was Muzaffar Ali Qizilbash, so these are just few names. Now we also have to remember that these few names again shifted their loyalties in the late sixties as well, and they will keep on doing that to serve their interests, I hope you can still find remnants of these leaders in our current administration as well.
Now back to the issue, one has to remember that if political parties like Jamat Islami and some Douband Ulama were against the creation of Pakistan there was a big majority of non aligned and some other religious parties and leaders especially the Pir’s who helped the ML to gain control in Punjab against the secularist parties. Which ultimately lead to the winning of 1946 elections and provided a solid base for the creation of Pakistan.
i agree with maulana maudidi now that the creation of pakistan was and is and will remain a big mistake. pakistan has become a new idol for its people now. they have made pakistan their own god besides Allah. the nationalism is a new religion now, muhammad ali jinnah is the new prophet, constitution is the new Quran and being pakistani is the new brotherhood. any one who has pride in being pakistani, i would not call him/her my brother/sister in islam. i would not even initiate a salaam to that person. they do not deserve the title of muslim, just pakistani.
Assalamu Alaikum Dear,
Maulana was never against the creation of Pakistan and Quaid-e-Azam. It is a blak-lie against him from the people who do not like him. If you are a true Muslim and as you say that you read his writings find any article or writing of him from "his own books" that tells you that he was against Pakistan. There are people including Ulema who don't like him quoting things that he said but you won't find those quotes in Maududi's own books. And even if you find something wrong in his books please read a paragraph above and below of that wrong paragraph because that's what people who are against Maulana Maududi are doing against him, they quote something from his books without his explanation and color it with their own colors.
Wassalam
jamate islami is a farce, they believe that working with kufr sysyem of voting will bring islam...maulana maududi knew that the voting is not the correct way to implement islam so i respect his writings. jamat e islami is a pathetic party, they love pakistan more than islam in one of their songs or what ever, i heard that (translated: "it is a request to people of pakistan, to love their piece of land more than life") what kind of pathetic nationalistic kufr statement is that? i would rather die than join jamat e islami.
Assalamu Alaikum Dear ThandyMazaq,
Meray bhai I am sorry to bother you but I have listen to more than 300 taranays of Jamaat and Jamiat and I only see them asking you to Love Islam and if they ask you to love Pakistan it is so you could implement Islam in it and not just love Pakistan because it is your land. But you will only do that if you really want peace and want to love other Muslims so if you do want truth then please try to find the real truth and not just follow your own heart and mind.
Wassalam