hmmm i suppose anyone preaching hate, violence against others or actually harming innocent ppl is wrong. wouldn't you agree?
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hmmm i suppose anyone preaching hate, violence against others or actually harming innocent ppl is wrong. wouldn't you agree?
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when the term "jihad" is being used by both groups, who determines which group is doing the right thing? and talking about harming innocent people, isn't that collateral damage?
when you target someone intentionally then how can it be considered collateral damage?
as far as determining which group is right, i suppose we can look at the actions of teh group and its impact on pakistanis. that would be a good start.
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when you target someone intentionally then how can it be considered collateral damage?
as far as determining which group is right, i suppose we can look at the actions of teh group and its impact on pakistanis. that would be a good start.
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ofcourse, in which case I should have asked...
which group targets harmless innocent people?
hmmm how about actions of the Pakistani Army and its impact on Pakistanis?
Good point. The problem with the pakistani army is their officer class wadera generals, not necessairly the jawan on the ground. While the terrorist faction is composed of bloodthirsty animals who will kill themselves just to kill as many innocent people they can.
And Quaid-e-Azam was born in what is now part of Karachi.
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Other deeds of his are as questionable as that of Jinnah.
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Quit giving blanket statements. Elaborate
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Imdad, you are right. Qaid was born in Karachi – I was confusing Wazirabad mansion with Jinnah mansion of Bombay.
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Actually its called Wazir mansion not Wazirabad mansion. Wazirabad is the big railway interchange and chaqqoo churryion waala shehr in Gujranwala Division.
Madhanee, how was Jinnah responsible for what happened in East Pakistan?
Secondly, it is a well known fact the final British effort to compromise was rejected by Nehru as was Gandhis final effort (offering Jinnah the PM'ship)
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Quit giving blanket statements. Elaborate<<<
CHTH. Read up some books on history of both the Indian sub-continent and of Ataturkism. You shall find the answers. I can’t summarize thousands of books.
Can you tell me why you think that Jinnah was not an egotistical maniac? Who do you think was responsible for a million killed during partition, and 3 million Bengalis later? It wasn’t Gamma Pehlwan. It was Jinnah the kangRee Pehlwan.
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You dont have to summarise. Just pick a point or two.
I'll tell you when you first tell me why you labelled him egotistic maniac. I mean its ridiculous that you allege someone to be an egotistic manic, while ignoring to take into consideration the sensitivities of a whole nation, and ask me to prove that he wasn't an egotistic manic, when you yourself havent said a word that first proves your point. Who is the bigger egotistic maniac here?
Lastly, if the million killed somehow justify your statement, then all those who supported Jinnah and independence must be egotistic maniacs too. That you fail to realise that he was fighting for the independence of Muslims and not for the murder of Muslims/Hindus is pretty sad itself. You find it convinient to call him egotistic manic, forgetting he had the support of majority of Muslims in India. He did what the millions of "egotistic maniacs" wanted him to do. And thats what makes him a great leader.
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Can you tell me why you think that Jinnah was not an egotistical maniac? Who do you think was responsible for a million killed during partition, and 3 million Bengalis later? It wasn’t Gamma Pehlwan. It was Jinnah the kangRee Pehlwan.
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The man who said "Plain Mr. Jinnah have I lived and plain Mr. Jinnah I wish to die" an egotistical maniac?
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Muffakar. yes sir. did you know that best payRiaN come from Wazirabad. RabRee aaliaN payRiaN
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Wazirabad is famous for its knives and daggers, but what on earth is this payraian??
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Secondly, it is a well known fact the final British effort to compromise was rejected by Nehru as was Gandhis final effort (offering Jinnah the PM'ship)
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They're not taught it in the RSS running madrasas.
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Maybe later. Currently he's trying to save Pakistan from the evils of religious fanaticism.
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and they are?
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^I've never been a supporter of dictators. He himseld claims it every second day on bbc or cnn that he's waging jihad against jihadis.
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and that doesn't make him a jihadi??
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Wazirabad is famous for its knives and daggers, but what on earth is this payraian??
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Yara Pairey, barfi ki tarha ke hotey hain, delicious, but kaafi heavy hotey hain!
^ Thanx for clarifying...
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and they are?
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They (religious fanatics) have been trying to divide Pakistani's along sectarian and religious lines for the last two decades and more, resulting in the killings of hundreds if not thousands of people in Pakistan.
Musharraf is trying to return Pakistan to the vision of our founder i.e. a nation that does not judge people according to their sect or religion, or along ethnic lines. He is having success in this area, and he will continue to have the support of the vast majority of Pakistani if he continues to pursue these hatemongers and terrorists.
These hate mongers and terrorists have been in cahoots with the army. They were the creation of the army and they fought army's proxy war in Afghanistan and Kashmir. One single telefon call of the master to the dictator was enough to compel him to change the decades old policy of the army.