Prostitution Alloweed in ISLAM ?

For all of those who say MUTA is permitted in Islam are complete jackasses who do not understand the chronological teachings of Quran, a verse cannot be just picked out at random and taken as a literal source of information, if that were the case Quran would have been revealed all at once.

Is just like growing up, you cant explain to a 3 year old why eating too much salt is harmful ... it takes another decade or so, or lets gradual development of his maturaity to understand the concept. So taken this as a very straight forward argument we should say salt is not bad, since we cant explain to our kinds (or say that we allow them sometimes) so it goes against our argument that it is bad, it could be anything .. .salt is just something i used for the argument.

And it is a well known fact from hadiths that our prophet PBUH prohibited MUTA later on.


Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'

Wa Aliekum salaam Flamezz

I have read you posts and in your posts you were giving the impression that prostitution or this Muta business is somehow practised and acceptable in Shias, to counter that I was saying that child molestation appears to be prevalent and accepted among certain people. That is all.

Flamezz - tell me where do you get the idea that Shiaas are majorly in this business. Open your head and WALK the bridge. Have u ever talked to a shia with education to spare. He will open your mind into dimensions you will have never known existed. If you have a grudge then its your problem.

There is a difference between knowing and walking.

Firstly it is absurd that you ask such a question. Firstly study all religions and then come back with some sensible debating material - A religion is a guideline for humans to become people.

How can such a criminal act be valid in any religion tell me?

I would like to know what type of Islam youve seen


And my heart throbbed with an exquisite bliss

your tone is one of riducule ... tune it up, or prepare to be tuned.

Sentinel.

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Originally posted by faceup:
** A lot of crap about nothing!

I am not here to teach you about how Quran was revealed. Obviously you don't know about the NIGHT OF POWER. Go learn from your mullahs. Also, find out from them - how the suras in the quran are assembled.

It all boils down to - intelligence!
If you are not sure about something then do not comment by calling one a - "JACKASS". The danger is you might end up being one yourself and in the process "infer" that insult upon someone else like you did.

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I dont deny the war booty thing, it did happen some point in time but later was abrogated if your getting the point. Emphasis on LATER ON, or is it too obscure for you to understand.

OH now when u dont have an answer you say a lot of crap. Shot urself in the foot huh !!! Must've hurt ....

So what r u suggesting that the prophet PBUH just down and recited all the verses and expected people to understand. What do u think he was doing for 23 years? All teachings were gradually preached, not enforced on people, first they were made to perfect their basic beliefs and faith before the laws and regulations were enforced on them, and that happened when our prophet was able to establish an independent Islamic state.

And btw who r ur mullahs ... I dont follow or preach mullahs, I have my own brain to understand and read Quranic tafseer, they really rn't that hard to understand if u read them, I only resort to scholar opinions when I encounter ambiguous topics where their is no guideable analogy in our prophets time. But still as long as you can infer the good and positive thing out of the explanation ur on the right track, basic human conscious, dont need a mullah to tell u how to do good.

U need some rehabilitation FACEUP, or maybe a face lift or something. I'm not the one who needs an update on religious knowledge, its u.

I think ur getting too much sun on the miami beaches, its burned ur neural cells away.


Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'

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come on people , why uou all are argueing on shia suni, we all are muslims , isn't that enough??????????

what one pratice and believe is totally one's personal matter.

Face Up

Just answer the question please!!

No point beating about the bush.

Or are you ashamed of your Belief system, if any!!!

'Sticks and stones will break my bones, but labelling from you will only make me smile'.

you're still out of tune.

Sentinel.

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I am not getting in disscusion because your posts have stated you tempreament, iq and ignorance.

About people like you Quran has said:

And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

Allâh mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly.

These are they who have purchased error for guidance, so their commerce was profitless. And they were not guided.

Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindled a fire; then, when it lighted all around him, Allâh took away their light and left them in darkness. (So) they could not see.

They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).

Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder, and lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunderclap for fear of death. But Allâh ever encompasses the disbelievers (i.e. Allâh will gather them all together).

The lightning almost snatches away their sight, whenever it flashes for them, they walk therein, and when darkness covers them, they stand still. And if Allâh willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Certainly, Allâh has power over all things.


What happens when we're dead? The irony is that all our questions will be answered after we die. We spend our whole life trying to figure out the truth and the only way we'll find out what it is, is to get hit by a bus. And the only comfort that religion offers is that God is driving that bus.

All racists who are prepared to die for their contry, please do that now.

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per secret:
They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path)
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Your move!

**How about this for a move?

Sentinel.
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Assalam-o-alikum...

conclusion of this thread..

1: Prostitution is no where supported in ISLAM, but its sad that its a practice in Muslims countries..

2: Mut'aah is a controvertial practice supported by Shia'tes.

Mods pls close the thread..
things are getting more personal ..


.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.
Allah-o-Akbar

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-"--"--- To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target

Again "Mutah is supported by Shias." Thats your conclusion? On the same path my conclusion would be that Child Molestation is supported by the ahem "scholars".

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Originally posted by mufakkar:
Again "Mutah is supported by Shias." Thats your conclusion? On the same path my conclusion would be that Child Molestation is supported by the ahem "scholars".
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As you might have seen and read, they accept it..

and child molestation is also haram, equivalent to adultry...

May we Allah Seek Guidence from Allah, and abstain from All sorts of Adultry.. Ameen


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Allah-o-Akbar

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-"--"--- To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target

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If you are so against Islam, why do you take sides when shia/sunni topics are discussed? Stay the hell out then man.

I will apply the same logic here that I applied in PA forum about hindus not liking anything which is good for pakistan.

Anything good for Islam = nonmuslims, traitors, heretics jump up and down with their nonsense just so they can get chance to twist and turn to make it look bad.

Anything bad being talked about Islam - kafirs, nonmuslims, hindus, you name it. They will always side with the bad thing and support it, pump it, give it some lies from their own anti-islamic sources just to cause more disharmony and fight.


AND WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: "DO NOT MAKE MISCHIEF ON THE EARTH", THEY SAY "WE ARE ONLY PEACE-MAKERS" VERILY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MAKES MISCHIEF, BUT THEY PERCEIVE NOT"-[Qur'an-2:11-12]

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Originally posted by faceup:
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per secret:
They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path)
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Here's what the BOOK says about you (woman):

taking verses out of context and twist them is usuall for non muslims like you.

i watch it everyday on shows like 700 club.

But no matter how much you hate, how jealous you are, and how much you deny.

The truth is truth. islam is the only true religion in this world.

hinduism ....nobody even give a damm to that religion, they make fun of themselves.

There must be a reson you are wondering in islamic relgion fourms, while hinduism is such a dark and ignoranent faith that i have even never bother to read about it, or explore it.


What happens when we're dead? The irony is that all our questions will be answered after we die. We spend our whole life trying to figure out the truth and the only way we'll find out what it is, is to get hit by a bus. And the only comfort that religion offers is that God is driving that bus.

All racists who are prepared to die for their contry, please do that now.

To give Islam a bad rep, frankly no one has to do anything other than let them hear the quality of discussion held forth by the "real true beleivers" these days. When you exclude all the sects that have been declared non-muslims, I really have trouble finding the muslims, and them I am afraid of.

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The Sentry.**

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Originally posted by faceup:

you know nothing about women's statues in Islam, or if you know you don't want to admit it. In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Qur'an says:

And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)
The Qur'an, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression,'believing men and women' to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits. It says:

For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)
This clearly contradicts the assertion of the Christian Fathers that women do not possess souls and that they will exist as sexless beings in the next life. The Qur'an says that women have souls in exactly the same way as men and will enter Paradise if they do good :

Enter into Paradise, you and your wives, with delight. (43:70)
Who so does that which is right, and believes, whether male or female, him or her will We quicken to happy life. (16:97)

The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:
O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)
Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you. (4:1)
The Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) said, "Women are the twin halves of men." The Qur'an emphasizes the essential unity of men and women in a most beautiful simile:

They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them. (2:187)
Just as a garment hides our nakedness, so do husband and wife, by entering into the relationship of marriage, secure each other's chastity. The garment gives comfort to the body; so does the husband find comfort in his wife's company and she in his. "The garment is the grace, the beauty, the embellishment of the body, so too are wives to their husbands as their husbands are to them." Islam does not consider woman "an instrument of the Devil", but rather the Qur'an calls her muhsana - a fortress against Satan because a good woman, by marrying a man, helps him keep to the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that marriage was considered by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a most virtuous act. He said: "When a man marries, he has completed one half of his religion." He enjoined matrimony on Muslims by saying: "Marriage is part of my way and whoever keeps away from my way is not from me (i.e. is not my follower)." The Qur'an has given the raison d'être of marriage in the following words:

And among His signs is this, that He has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect. (30:21)
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was full of praise for virtuous and chaste women. He said:

"The world and all things in the world are precious but the most precious thing in the world is a virtuous woman. He once told the future khalif, 'Umar: "Shall I not inform you about the best treasure a man can hoard? It is a virtuous wife who pleases him whenever he looks towards her, and who guards herself when he is absent from her."
On other occasions the Prophet said:

"The best property a man can have is a remembering tongue (about Allah), a grateful heart and a believing wife who helps him in his faith." And again: "The world, the whole of it, is a commodity and the best of the commodities of the world is a virtuous wife."
Before the advent of Islam women were often treated worse than animals. The Prophet wanted to put a stop to all cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: "Fear Allah in respect of women." And: "The best of you are they who behave best to their wives." And: "A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good." And:"The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."
The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."
In Islam a woman is a completely independent personality. She can make any contract or bequest in her own name. She is entitled to inherit in her position as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has perfect liberty to choose her husband. The pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia had an irrational prejudice against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was totally opposed to this practice. He showed them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell:

It is narrated by the Prophet's wife, 'A'isha, that a woman entered her house with two of her daughters. She asked for charity but 'A'isha could not find anything except a date, which was given to her. The woman divided it between her two daughters and did not eat any herself. Then she got up and left. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) came to the house, 'A'isha told him about what had happened and he declared that when the woman was brought to account (on the Day of Judgment) about her two daughters they would act as a screen for her from the fires of Hell.
The worst calamity for a woman is when her husband passes away and, as a widow, the responsibility of maintaining the children falls upon her. In the Eastern World, where a woman does not always go out to earn her living, the problems of widowhood are indescribable. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) upheld the cause of widows. Most of his wives were widows. In an age when widows were rarely permitted to remarry, the Prophet encouraged his followers to marry them. He was always ready to help widows and exhorted his followers to do the same. Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet said: "One who makes efforts (to help) the widow or a poor person is like a mujahid (warrior) in the path of Allah, or like one who stands up for prayers in the night and fasts in the day."
Woman as mother commands great respect in Islam. The Noble Qur'an speaks of the rights of the mother in a number of verses. It enjoins Muslims to show respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they are still unbelievers. The Prophet states emphatically that the rights of the mother are paramount. Abu Hurairah reported that a man came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is the person who has the greatest right on me with regards to kindness and attention?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your father."

In another tradition, the Prophet advised a believer not to join the war against the Quraish in defense of Islam, but to look after his mother, saying that his service to his mother would be a cause of his salvation. Mu'awiyah, the son of Jahimah, reported that Jahimah came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said, " Messenger of Allah! I want to join the fighting (in the path of Allah) and I have come to seek your advice." He said, "Then remain in your mother's service, because Paradise is under her feet."

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.

'A'isha reported that Saudah bint Zam'ah went out one night. 'Umar saw her and recognized her and said, "By God, O Saudah, why do you not hide yourself from us?" She went back to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and told him about it while he was having supper in her room, and he said, "It is permitted by Allah for you to go out for your needs." The predominant idea in the teachings of Islam with regard to men and women is that a husband and wife should be full-fledged partners in making their home a happy and prosperous place, that they should be loyal and faithful to one another, and genuinely interested in each other's welfare and the welfare of their children. A woman is expected to exercise a humanizing influence over her husband and to soften the sternness inherent in his nature. A man is enjoined to educate the women in his care so that they cultivate the qualities in which they, by their very nature, excel.

These aspects were much emphasized by the Prophet (peace be upon him). He exhorted men to marry women of piety and women to be faithful to their husbands and kind to their children. He said:

"Among my followers the best of men are those who are best to their wives, and the best of women are those who are best to their husbands. To each of such women is set down a reward equivalent to the reward of a thousand martyrs. Among my followers, again, the best of women are those who assist their husbands in their work, and love them dearly for everything, save what is a transgression of Allah's laws."
Once Mu'awiyah asked the Prophet (peace be upon him), "What are the rights that a wife has over her husband?" The Prophet replied, " Feed her when you take your food, give her clothes to wear when you wear clothes, refrain from giving her a slap on the face or abusing her, and do not separate from your wife, except within the house." Once a woman came to the Prophet with a complaint against her husband. He told her: "There is no woman who removes something to replace it in its proper place, with a view to tidying her husband's house, but that Allah sets it down as a virtue for her. Nor is there a man who walks with his wife hand-in-hand, but that Allah sets it down as a virtue for him; and if he puts his arm round her shoulder in love, his virtue is increased tenfold." Once he was heard praising the women of the tribe of Quraish, "...because they are the kindest to their children while they are infants and because they keep a careful watch over the belongings of their husbands."
The Shari'ah regards women as the spiritual and intellectual equals of men. The main distinction it makes between them is in the physical realm based on the equitable principle of fair division of labor. It allots the more strenuous work to the man and makes him responsible for the maintenance of the family. It allots the work of managing the home and the upbringing and training of children to the woman, work which has the greatest importance in the task of building a healthy and prosperous society.

It is a fact, however, that sound administration within the domestic field is impossible without a unified policy. For this reason the Shari'ah requires a man, as head of the family, to consult with his family and then to have the final say in decisions concerning it. In doing so he must not abuse his prerogative to cause any injury to his wife. Any transgression of this principle involves for him the risk of losing the favor of Allah, because his wife is not his subordinate but she is, to use the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him), 'the queen of her house', and this is the position a true believer is expected to give his wife. In contrast to these enlightened teachings of Islam in respect of women, Western talk of women's liberation or emancipation is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honor, and degradation of her soul!


What happens when we're dead? The irony is that all our questions will be answered after we die. We spend our whole life trying to figure out the truth and the only way we'll find out what it is, is to get hit by a bus. And the only comfort that religion offers is that God is driving that bus.

All racists who are prepared to die for their contry, please do that now.

Face Up

Your'e still alive then!!

Before putting people in their places, you should concentrate on yourself and rectify your own shortcomings! Maybe that way you can regain some credibility and respect(what's left of it that is!)

Not only are you embarassed by your belief system, butI see you also suffer from Dyslexia.

No need to be ashamed matey, because far worse people than yourself have come out of their 'closets' and admitted certain things!

If everyone was to use your reason of logic and thought, we'd all be looking at the sky 'Face Down'.

Exactly like you!

See Ya, Cuz I Wouldn't Wanna Be Ya.

To Sholay:
Don't waste my time - man!

**to FaceUp:
... and don't waste our time!

Thread closed!

Sentinel.

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