Prostitution Alloweed in ISLAM ?

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Originally posted by armughal:
**Islam allows u to eat HARAAM if u r hungry and havent eaten for a long time,,,,
but doesnt let u make it a habit and become a robber for the rest of ur life....

such excuses r mere excuses that r used for slef-protection and have no validity....

dont make this hedious act look VALID and ALLOWED by such stupid ideas....

**
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Dude have you read those stories of young afghan girls being tricked into prostitution....I'm just saying that we should go at the root.

"Zindagi mein to sabhi pyar kiya karte hain.....mein to maar kar be tumhe chahoon ga"

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The practice of temporary marriage is said to have existed during the lifetime of Muhammad, who is believed to have recommended it to his companions and soldiers. The majority Sunni sect in Islam banned it; the minority Shiite sect did not.
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If it was allowed, and did indeed exist during the lifetime of the Prophet, why was it subsequently banned? Seems an interesting concept. Might be better than stoning people, as Tomasso puts it.

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Saudis still practice temp marriages when they are in foreign country. It is still there.

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IF prostitution in Pakistan exists, it does not mean that it is allowed by any sect/religion. But it exists because the pimps are in good books of strong political / beauraucratic circles. These politicians will save the prostitutions indirectly, even if they are jailed one day, they'll all be free next day.

It all happens, because we don't follow the religion closely, we follow the religion selectively (follow what is convenient, and ignore what we find difficult), in some way, we are hypocrites.

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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[quote]
Originally posted by cHEeGUm:
**guys guys cool down. its really easy for us to disgrace and downgrade prostitution and all those who benefit from the practice. that is because we are the more comfortable muslims, typing out these posts, passing judgements from the warmth and comfort of our 4 walled homes.

put yourself in the shoes of the people who do it. instead of passing verdicts, try to think WHY is it that people do it. what drives them to do that? in Pakistan everyday the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. There are no jobs and source of food for the poor in the country. 40% of the country's population lives under Rs. 60 per day (thats less than $1 a day).

All of you who have gracefully condemned prostitution, i urge you to go to pakistan and live with absolutely nothing but 60 rupees a day. With those 60 rupees, will you feed your kids and yourself, pay for water, electricity rent and what not? most prostitutes themselves do not enjoy what they do. most of them are tied to fate by their fathers or husbands who use them as a source of income.

In islam, if you are at the verge of dying, it is even permitted to eat an otherwise haram (forbidden) product. life itself is the most precious object and any rules can be broken in order to sustain life.

please don't take me wrong here, i myself condemn prostitution. but in a country whose 95% wealth is owned by a mere 500 families, how can we expect the poor people not to do such things in order to survive?

Thankyou for listening to me.**
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When at a verge of dying, eating something that is "Haram" is understandable, for survival only.

How can you include prostitution in that category?

You are not going to die, if you don't do it!

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[quote]
Originally posted by cHEeGUm:
**guys guys cool down. its really easy for us to disgrace and downgrade prostitution and all those who benefit from the practice. that is because we are the more comfortable muslims, typing out these posts, passing judgements from the warmth and comfort of our 4 walled homes.

put yourself in the shoes of the people who do it. instead of passing verdicts, try to think WHY is it that people do it. what drives them to do that? in Pakistan everyday the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. There are no jobs and source of food for the poor in the country. 40% of the country's population lives under Rs. 60 per day (thats less than $1 a day).

All of you who have gracefully condemned prostitution, i urge you to go to pakistan and live with absolutely nothing but 60 rupees a day. With those 60 rupees, will you feed your kids and yourself, pay for water, electricity rent and what not? most prostitutes themselves do not enjoy what they do. most of them are tied to fate by their fathers or husbands who use them as a source of income.

In islam, if you are at the verge of dying, it is even permitted to eat an otherwise haram (forbidden) product. life itself is the most precious object and any rules can be broken in order to sustain life.

please don't take me wrong here, i myself condemn prostitution. but in a country whose 95% wealth is owned by a mere 500 families, how can we expect the poor people not to do such things in order to survive?

Thankyou for listening to me.**
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Very intresting post there, i agree with you, thanks for sharing.

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What does prostitution in Lahore has to deal with Islam??
Why do you people bring Islam in everything..
It is clear that Islam doesn't allow it and if people are doing it than it's their own immorality which they are responsible for.
Not all people in a society can be perfect followers.

and FlameZz, you might be a hypocrite, but not all muslims are.

There is always a difference in theory and pratice. for example Jessus taught peace, fogivness and love , but catholics and orthodox churches and people slaughterd and burned each other.

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True, is murder and terrorism allowed in Islam? No, of course not, but Osama types use Islam for their purpose.

Only hope for Muslims is if, we truly cleanse our countries of people who misuse Islam and do unIslamic things.

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1 - Prostitution is haram, as per ISLAM..

2 - People are Muslims (as they call themselvs)

3 - they follow Islam selectively( for the sake of their benifits) i.e take few things which they like, and reject or ignore what they find difficult to follow..

does this fall in category of hypocracy..???

secret obsession, pls answer this..

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Allah-o-Akbar

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[quote]
Originally posted by cHEeGUm:
**guys guys cool down. its really easy for us to disgrace and downgrade prostitution and all those who benefit from the practice. that is because we are the more comfortable muslims, typing out these posts, passing judgements from the warmth and comfort of our 4 walled homes.

put yourself in the shoes of the people who do it. instead of passing verdicts, try to think WHY is it that people do it. what drives them to do that? in Pakistan everyday the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. There are no jobs and source of food for the poor in the country. 40% of the country's population lives under Rs. 60 per day (thats less than $1 a day).

All of you who have gracefully condemned prostitution, i urge you to go to pakistan and live with absolutely nothing but 60 rupees a day. With those 60 rupees, will you feed your kids and yourself, pay for water, electricity rent and what not? most prostitutes themselves do not enjoy what they do. most of them are tied to fate by their fathers or husbands who use them as a source of income.

In islam, if you are at the verge of dying, it is even permitted to eat an otherwise haram (forbidden) product. life itself is the most precious object and any rules can be broken in order to sustain life.

please don't take me wrong here, i myself condemn prostitution. but in a country whose 95% wealth is owned by a mere 500 families, how can we expect the poor people not to do such things in order to survive?

Thankyou for listening to me.**
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Cheegum.. there is a point..

Islam always suggests and praises the earning which is done by effort and hand.

Prostitutes earning falls in this category.

BTW i live in lahore, and if u think that working with hand, is shameful rather then selling ur body for somebody is okay, then im afraid its a diffrnece..

FOR pros its not occassional, its not matter of survival, its their routine, its their business...

And i really dont agree with u over this point..

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Islam does not allow prostitution full stop.

Mut'ah - temporary marriage
The Ja'fari Shia scholars claim that Mut'ah or temporary marriage is NOT forbidden. (Tabatabai, pp 227-30)

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[quote]
Originally posted by Bhadsha:
** Dude have you read those stories of young afghan girls being tricked into prostitution....I'm just saying that we should go at the root.

**
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Dear Badsha..
I agree with u.. but do u know who are the ppl at the root level ???

all those, power ppl, who are in power, the judiciry, the beurocracy, and the military offcourse..

u tell the way..

and p.s why do not the releigious ppl from sunni and shi'ats leaders take a stance against this issue ???

why ? if they are somehow Muslim ppl...

do u agree with the principal of

"amar bil saho, wa nahi anil munkar"...
i guess it was like that..

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Allah-o-Akbar

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[quote]
Originally posted by Khairun Nisa:
**
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The practice of temporary marriage is said to have existed during the lifetime of Muhammad, who is believed to have recommended it to his companions and soldiers. The majority Sunni sect in Islam banned it; the minority Shiite sect did not.
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If it was allowed, and did indeed exist during the lifetime of the Prophet, why was it subsequently banned? Seems an interesting concept. Might be better than stoning people, as Tomasso puts it.**
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Pls nisa..
We must understand underwhat situation was it allowed, and when.

Accorindg to my knowlese, this concept was allowed to soldiers of Islamic force, when they were in distant areas away from home, for months and years. While away from home, they could marry women of those areas for some period( not only for a single night ). and in return give her the agreed money..

for this might prevent men from doing sin, and engage into adultry, and help the women in finanical term.

It was like a temporary marraige, and it might go on further and develop into a permanent one.

but can u compare this situation with the present time ???

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Allah-o-Akbar

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(O,O)
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[quote]
Originally posted by Faraz Mir:
**True, is murder and terrorism allowed in Islam? No, of course not, but Osama types use Islam for their purpose.

Only hope for Muslims is if, we truly cleanse our countries of people who misuse Islam and do unIslamic things.**
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Ameeen..

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Allah-o-Akbar

,_ ,
(O,O)
()
-"--"--- To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target

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** Shias ** allow ** "Temporary Marriage" (Mut'ah) *. This "Temporary Marriage" can be between * 1 HOUR AND 99 YEARS. **

Once, the specified time period (between 1 hour and 99 years) expires, then there is ** NO NEED ** for a ** divorce. ** The marriage gets terminated on its own.

Under the umbrella of Mut'ah (temporary marriage), many Shiite societies have developed a system, that may be called ** "LEGAL PROSTITUION". **

Although Prostitution as such is probably not allowed in the Shiite religion, many people find a way around it, under the umbrella of Mut'ah (temporary marriage).

This is one reason why prostitution is a very serious problem in ** Iran. **

I'm sorry but these are the bitter facts. I do not intend to spread lies against any group of people, my purpose was to convey the truth.

Many people will try to attack me with a bunch of lies, and twisted arguments, or scapegoat the "Wahhabis" to avoid facing the facts. I request such people, to keep their cool and use parliamentary langauge, and remember that unless they do not recoginze a problem, it cannot be corrected.

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[quote]
Originally posted by secret_obsession:
** and FlameZz, you might be a hypocrite, but not all muslims are.
**
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I think you are mistaken here Secret_Obsession . Flamezz never said Islam allows prostitution. He actually said Islam prohibits prostitution.

I didn't see a similar response from you secret_obsession, when the Shiites were spreading nasty lies against the Salafis or "Wahhabis", all the time without actually defining who they are. They were dividing the Muslims on imaginary lines, where were you then?

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Lets see now:

In 1990 or 91 Maulana Sami ul Haq a well known and well respected maulana of a certain "main stream" sectt along with his son was caught with his shalwar down in the house of someone who would become famous as Madam Tahira in Islamabad. Maulana Sahib runs the largest Madressah (Haqqaniah) at Akora Khattak.

As I have mentioned, the problem of Child molestation by the clergy of a certain "mainstream" sect. is a big problem. If any body could read the vernacular press specially newspapers from small towns, one would find reports of such actions rife. Such maulanas promptly confess to the crime say "Mujh per shaitan aa gaya thaa" and the other fundos promptly consult with each other and forgive the offending mullah citing various obscure texts. Maybe everyone is not like this, but it certainly seems to be quite common. Moreover, such cases are handled "discreetly" because of honour/sharam o haya issues or they simply never get reported.

So, does that mean that the members of that mainstream sectt like little boys to play with and are evil little troglodytes? My opinion is no but you all are free to make your own judgements!

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Aha ! Typical Shia logic.

Can you please ** quote ** from the Mainstream Muslim literature where child-molestation is allowed ??

If you want me to quote from the Shiite literature regarding “temporary marriage”, please free to ask !!

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The thrust of my argument was not whether molestation is allowed or not, it was that perpetrators are forgiven again and again and again by "mainstream scholars" citing some obscure literature (Read the news if you think this is a fabrication). The main stream maulanas even "forgave" a woman's moulvi husband from Taxila who inserted electrodes in her genitals. Now this story made all the big newspapers in 1996-97.

Secondly I don't remember telling you or anyone my sectt. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand? Either stick to the topic and have a discussion or don't. ok? ok.

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[quote]
Originally posted by mufakkar:
**Lets see now:

In 1990 or 91 Maulana Sami ul Haq a well known and well respected maulana of a certain "main stream" sectt along with his son was caught with his shalwar down in the house of someone who would become famous as Madam Tahira in Islamabad. Maulana Sahib runs the largest Madressah (Haqqaniah) at Akora Khattak.

As I have mentioned, the problem of Child molestation by the clergy of a certain "mainstream" sect. is a big problem. If any body could read the vernacular press specially newspapers from small towns, one would find reports of such actions rife. Such maulanas promptly confess to the crime say "Mujh per shaitan aa gaya thaa" and the other fundos promptly consult with each other and forgive the offending mullah citing various obscure texts. Maybe everyone is not like this, but it certainly seems to be quite common. Moreover, such cases are handled "discreetly" because of honour/sharam o haya issues or they simply never get reported.

So, does that mean that the members of that mainstream sectt like little boys to play with and are evil little troglodytes? My opinion is no but you all are free to make your own judgements! **
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This is Nothing compared to what the Islamic clergies themselves have documented that fully 50% of Pahstoons in Afghanistan have sex with young boys or have their ashnas; and, an overwhelming percentage have had sex with boys.

According to their own sharia'h the pashtoons should have all been STONED to death.

RE: MUTA

It is in the quran and was a sunnah until Umar abrogated it.

Imagine quran & sunnah abrogated by a caliph claiming to represent Islam (?).