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you people can visit this web site www.al-islam.org.there is a book on line named peshawer nights . its shia scholars verses sunni mullahs. do go through it !!!
yeah and about the lahori prostitutes, u say they are shia if they take there pictures once a year on a majlis wearing black clothes that does make them shia .and with the living style as theirs i don't think they r muslims!!!!!!!
So FACEUP what does Shia'ism say about prostitution with your blood relations. Since any woman is permissible, for a compensation.
FACEUP ... better start packing up, ur getting beat up very pathetically ... have some dignity and get the **** out of here.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
sorry about the miss print in my last reply , it was to be that does not make them shia!!! and i think muta' that is been talked about it for the people who r living in sin.
its better to be married a short while than live in sin.
yeah I’m a poisonous cobra..stay away from me
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pata nahee kaisay kaisay nomaanay hein is duniya mein..coming that from your mouth doesnt seem insulting at all, Its actually entertaining to observe the way your mind works..It wont hurt if you “expand” your narrow mind..
Oh I forgot to give a standing ovation to danyal for his amazing piece of copy and pasting..keep it coming
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I wonder why anyone from Shia's hasn't come up with any explnation, argue , Quranic refference so far, related to this topic...
neither any justification..
rather ppl are busy in useless disucssion...
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flamez if you are expecting to have a sensible discussion then my friend you are at the wrong place. I have been here for a while and always the discussions ended up in arguments , mudslinging..As you can see right now.. We have reasons ,no matter what we do, our belief will never be respected so no point in wasting our time.
Faceup,
What is there to say? How can someone belive in such utter stupidity? Anyone can write a book you know, and then claim it's authentic. But what stabbed me really hard was that people actually belive shias do such things........It's like blaming your own brothers
Mut'ah
Marriage in Islam is a strong bond, a binding contract, based on the intention of both partners to live together permanently in order to attain, as individuals, the benefit of the repose, affection, and mercy which are mentioned in the Qur'an, as well as to attain the social goal of the reproduction and perpetuation of the human species:
"And Allah has made for our spouses of your own nature, and from your spouses has made for you sons and grandsons..." (An Nahl:72)
Now, in temporary marriage (known in Arabic as mut'ah), which is contracted by the two parties for a specified period of time, the above-mentioned purposes of marriage are not realized. While the Prophet (peace be on him) permitted temporary marriage during journeys and military campaigns before the Islamic legislative process was complete, he later forbid it and made it forever haram.
Mut'ah in the context of marital relationship means a marriage which is only valid within the said time between two consented parties. Both of them could also add some of their own rules or requirements in the aggreement of marriage such as the custody of child (after the mut'ah period), amount of money given to the woman etc. This (the period of marriage) is declared at the time the contract is made. The prospective husband mentions to his prospective wife that they are marrying for a year or a longer or shorter period in which she agrees to that. When the period is over, their marriage is dissolved automatically. They may, however, resume the contract if the wish to do so.
The reason for it was permitted in the beginning was that the Muslims were passing through what might be called a period of transition from jahiliyyah to Islam. Fornication was very common then and was wide-spread among the pre-Islamic Arabs. After the advent of Islam, when they were required to go on military expeditions, they were under great pressure as a result of being absent from their wives for long periods of time. Among the Believers were some who were strong in faith and others who were weak. The weak ones feared that they would be tempted to commit adultery, a major sin and an evil course, while the strong in faith, on the other hand, were ready to castrate themselves, as stated by Ibn Mas'ud:
"We were on an expedition with the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) and did not have our wives with us, so we asked Allah's Messenger (peace be on him), 'Should we not castrate ourselves? (The reason for this request was the desire to maintain their purity of mind and body, which was in danger of being affected by their unmet needs. (Trans.) He forbade us to do so but permitted us to contract marriage with a woman up to a specified date, giving her a garment as a dower (mahr)." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)
Thus temporary marriage provided a solution to the dilemma in which both the weak and the strong found themselves. It was also a step toward the final legalization of the complete marital life in which the objectives of permanence, chastity, reproduction, love, and mercy, as well as the widening of the circle of relationships through marriage ties were to be realized.
We may recall that the Qur'an adopted a gradual course in prohibiting intoxicants and usury, as these two evils were widespread and deeply rooted in the jahili society. In the same manner the Prophet (peace be on him) adopted a course of gradualism in the matter of sex, at first permitting temporary marriage as a step leading away from fornication and adultery, and at the same time coming closer to the permanent marriage relationship. He then prohibited it absolutely, as has been reported by Muslim who reported this in his Sahih, mentioning that al-Juhani was with the Prophet (peace be on him) at the conquest of Makkah and that the Prophet (peace be on him) gave some Muslims permission to contract temporary marriages. Al-Juhani said, "Before leaving Makkah the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) prohibited it. " In another version of the hadith we find the Prophet's own words, "Allah has made it haram until the Day of Resurrection."
The prohibition of mutah which had been permitted for three days only, then it became haram for all time. [Sahih Muslim, 1/586-7] Mutah was then forbidden and permitted twice. It was permissible before Khaybar, and was forbidden onthe day of Khaybar. Then it was allowed on the day of the liberation of Makkah, but it was prohibited three days later, in a prohibition which is in force until the Day of Judgment. [Al Nawawi, Sharh Saheeh Muslim, 3/553].
The question then remains—Is temporary marriage (mut'ah) absolutely haram, like marriage to one's own mother or daughter, or is it like the prohibition concerning the eating of pork or dead meat, which becomes permissible under real necessity, the necessity in this case being the fear of committing the sin of zina ?
The majority of the Companions held the view that after the completion of the Islamic legislation, temporary marriage was made absolutely haram. Ibn 'Abbas, however, held a different opinion, permitting it under necessity. A person asked him about marrying women on a temporary basis and he permitted him to do so. A servant of his then asked, "Is this not under hard conditions, when women are few and the like?" and he replied, "Yes." (Reported by al-Bukhari.) Later, however, when Ibn 'Abbas saw that people had become lax and were engaging in temporary marriages without necessity, he withdrew his ruling, reversing his opinion. (Zad al-Mi'ad,vol.4,p. 7. Bayhaqi transmitted it and Muslim as well.)
Bro Daniyal, if you don't mind, do you have exact references to the alleged Shia books? have you yourself seen the books? in previous discussions with Shia bros of this forum, they gave us different view/info. they said that its not practised nowadays and also that its under certain restricticted conditions (I don't know what).
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
So, now Shias are scholars, and Sunnis are Mullas ??? !!!
This is what is in your mind, and subconsciously you put it down here, or else, you’d have been careful to practise taqiyah (“Holy Hypocrisy” - which according to theology of the Imami Ja’fari Ithna 'Ashari Shi’a Religion, it is ** 90% ** of faith and is ** mandatory **. )
Btw, you can visit this site:
http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia.htm
All your Shi’a priests have been stripped naked here.
Sorry guys, your Shia lies and bigotry have been exposed.
Will you stop already with this tqyiah thing? I have never heard of it from any shias. Your point of thier being no Sunni mosques in Iran has also been discounted by some members here. As far as I know this Mutah business is plain nonsense and there is no justification for it and I have yet to see anyone practise it.
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*I have never heard of it from any shias. Your point of thier being no Sunni mosques in Iran has also been discounted by some members here. *
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Mufakkar, stop lying. I ** challenge ** you to contact the Iranian embassy regarding it.
** The Shia religion sounds so much like the HINDU religion, eh ??? **
Attacking and lying against the “Wahhabis”, all the while without defining what exactly “Wahhabism” is even after repeated requests, is not mudslinging eh ???
O I know, that maybe because the Shias are the “chosen people”.
First of all like I have said before, we are having a discussion, you don't know anything about me and I don't know anything about you so no personal comments. Therefore you have no right to say that I am lying. Now like I have asserted before, your claim of there being no sunni mosques has been discounted by some members.... which is there for you to see, now you can reply to it logically and respectfully or we can stop having this discussion.
its just like that a man is allowed 4 marriges. do u have 4 wives or do u know anybody who does???freak!!! muta’h is also such a thing , not practiced by every one only in certain conditions. and u know what first caliph’s daughter Asma bint abu bakr was also married to Zubayr-al- sabilbi by muta’h marriage and as a result of there union Abdullah ibin zubayr and Urwah ibin zubayr were born. these marriges were practiced from the time of migration until the dead of the PROPHET(P.B.U.H)and even in the 1st caliph’s time and part 2nd caliphs.and the 2nd caliph banned them altogther. now u can decide which caliph’s side will u take???
sophi: weak argument!!
I think a lot people in pakistan know many people who have four wives. I personally know many. However, I myself am an american and cannot have more than one.
MY POINT WAS THAT AS NOT EVERY BODY HAS 4 WIVES THIS MUTA’H IS ALSO LIKE THAT.IT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO FOR EXAMPLE ARE ON WAR SAY SOLDIERS IT IS BETTER FOR THEM TO HAVE MUTA’H THEN COMIT ADULTERY ,RAPE OT SEXUALLY MOLEST A WOMAN.AND IS YOU KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE 4 WIVES PLEASE DO TELL US THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO COMMIT ADULTERY TOO. AND PLEASE BE HOENST ABOUT IT. I DON’T NEED TO PROVE ANY ONE ANYTHING,IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A PATH OTHER THAN THE PROPHET’S (P.B.U.H)AND HIS FAMILY SO ,WITH PLEASURE DO SO. GO STRAIGHT TO ****