Proof of AlQaida behind 9-11

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Right, and where did they practise it after learning? or were they so expert after training that they executed it so perfectly? Last I remember one of trainer's interview he mentioned that his student was bad student and in his opinion he wasn't enough expert to manouvre it the way we all saw it.

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What you think is right is wrong and always will be wrong...............
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I will always be wrong and you will always be right, hence the discussion is going to go in perfect direction!

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If this attack happened in Pakistan and blame fell on India just like it did on Osama and his gang, I doubt you would be going at the lengths u r going to find proof that India was behind it...
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And if Pakistan were to be blamed for some actions in India you will be doing the exact opposite I have observed in Pak Affairs forum, calling terrorism as legitimate struggle etc.

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Its obvious, no matter what happens, no matter what proof America has, no matter how many times Osama acknowledges that he send those terrorists to launch that attack, you will never beleive it and think its some elaborate conspiracy theory
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ha ha ha. Osama acknowledges ha ha. Like the video without audio? Convenient, wasn't it?

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get a reality check
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Same is recommended for you.

which road in the world you like most?
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For anything you learn, you need to practice to be an expert, you can probably have good memory to memorise it perfectly but when a physical action becomes part of the exercise and as complex as plane flying you need to exercise it lots of times, last time I checked none of those 'pilots' were part of any commercial airliner.

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and they only learned how to fly a plane not to land or take off which is the most hardest concept of flying a plane....
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Read above.

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after all, you are taking IT courses to get a better job while they were taking air plane lessons to kill thousands of americans and were brainwashed by an evil ideology led by Osama bin laden....
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Doesn't matter how evil is one's ideology or brainwashed they were, a complex task remains complex task, its not about memorising ABC or 123.

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or what about when PLO terrorists took over 4 air liners in 4 different cities in europe and flew them to Jordan and that was directed by a terrorist living in a cave in Yemen
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I don't know the history and its details of that so can't comment.

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With the advent of internet, wireless telephones and you mean to tell me its impossible for someone to hijack a plane?
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By bringing internet and wireless phone in such an operation, are you suggesting that they were getting live technical support while manouvering the planes? I hope not.

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hell a guy with a fake gun took over a French plane in 1995 to protest French Nuclear Tests
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Totally irrelevant example, try again.

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Hijacking a plane is no big deal
Getting a visa to USA before 9/11 is no big deal
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Hijacking is not, flying plane is, esp if you do not have practise.

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Planning an attack on USA from a Cave in Afghanistan is no big deal especially with internet, wireless telephones, etc.....
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That is not big deal either..... next.

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This isnt a very sophisticated attack anyways?
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In another post you mentioned that US satellite technology can penetrate into grounds like 10km inside earth? Correct? Plainly from hijacking point of you, it isn't as sophisticated.

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All they did they took over a plane and used them as weapons to kill innocent people
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I am getting sleep now.

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I know its customary to blame Jews and America whenever a terrorist attack is launched by Arabs and Muslims

But you need to come to reality here and accept fact

Arabs and Muslims were behind 9/11. CASE CLOSED
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Yep case is closed, thousands died in Afghanistan, thousands died in Iraq, case is closed, Osama is out of reach, Al-Ciada network operating full guns, case is closed. :Salute:

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similar operation was planned in London on 7/7, yes that was coincidence too.

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No I am not telling you this. You are trying your best to draw ridiculous conclusion from my statement.
Let me repeat it. Is this a coincidence that government was running drills of flying airplane into buildings when at the same time actual attacks were happening?

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It’s likely a coincidence unless you have some information that indicates it was deliberate?

I have a question for you. What happened to the passengers on those 4 planes?

And that guy Bin-al-shibh or whatever his name was, got caught in Pakistan. So, if he was part of the CIA plot, Pakistani authorities would also know the truth. So, Pakistan would also be involved in 9/11 “conspiracy”.

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Captain, flying planes when you have a death wish is not that hard. Pick up flight simulator software and you will see how simple the actual maneuvering is. It's the landing, taking off, following procedures, working all the systems, autopilot, instruments, engines, practicing emergency procedures is where most of the time is spent by pilots.

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I never said there were no passengers on the planes. I don’t need to answer any questions here. It is the US government job to clarify their fairytale story. The responsibility lies with them to explain what really happened that day. Because the story they have given us have holes so big that you can fly 747 through them.

I believe some elements of Pakistan are also part of this conspiracy. Pakistani Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad wired money to Mohammad Atta.

"While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the ‘evidence’ India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd. A direct link between ISI and the WTC attack could have enormous repercussions … "

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/armitageISIatta.htm

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Flying planes when they have already taken off is no big deal, even amateurs can do that...its the landing and taking off which is the hardest and almost all airplane crashes result when a plane is taking off or landing.

No actually I would be questioning the motives behind Pakistan's ridicilous attack.

He sure has, in countless videos. Zawahiri has also done the same. So has Khalid Sheikh Muhammed who initially envisioned a plan to attack USA with 10 planes. The proof of Al qaeda being behing 9/11 is so overwhelming that I have to question the senses of anyone who thinks otherwise....

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Again, the hardest part of flying a plane is taking off and landing, when a Jet is cruising, controlling it no big deal...all you have to do is turn a knob and the plane turns by it self and then you can control a plane and ram into a structure as big as the WTC

But they were more dedicated to their task than you...and as such trained much harder and meticilous than you....

This is a typical excuse by 9/11 conspiracy nuts that osama in a cave could not have orchastrated such an attack....wireless phones and internet...he could have easily communicated with those 9/11 terrorists

Since they attented flight school they knew enough of flying planes to control them and ram them into structures....

Yup cAse closed. Arab Terrrorists flew planes into buildings and they inturn got rocked. Afghanistan is now a Democracy and Iraq hopefully will become one...

Both countries have better futures before 9/11 than after...

Sad isnt it...

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Only few days after 9/11 this information was revealed that some of the hijackers lived and were trained on US military bases.

Wow…. that’s a coincidence just like the coincidence of first time in history that NORAD was under the direct command of a vice president. It was the first time in history that four hijacked jetliners were allowed to fly around the east coast for 2 hours without being intercepted.
Wow an amazing series of coincidences.

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How come flying becomes easy if you are aiming to die? Do the switches start turning on/off easily? or do the wings/tail cause the directions to change automatically? Come'on I didn't think you'd say that. I agree that landing/take-off are the tougher ones, but they are tougher "relatively", doesn't mean changing direction of plane to approach/hit target is piece of cake.

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Yes Afghanistan is democratic in Kabul with Opium growth in full guns :k:, someone really needs it, Afghans are all civilised all of a sudden and have a democratic government and they elected a man of their choice i.e. Karzai :k: … has the democracy resulted in capture of OBL? :hmmm:

Its shame that people mention Iraq in same breath when discussing Al-CIAda/Afghanistan suggesting that Iraq was a part of Al-CIAda and 911. All arm-chair critics were able to see the now-civil-war-like-situation in Iraq even before the Iraq invasion but somehow US was sure that they will establish a democratic government in less than 2 years, war was declared over within 2-3 months :k:

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Be that as it may…

Afghanistan is de-evoloving into a narco-terrorist state and iraq is on the verge of civil war

but if democracy takes root, the insurgents in iraq and the taliban in afghanistan are subdued then both countries can prosper

why are you against the betterment of iraq and afghanistan?

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and elvis was spotted last week in Memphis too

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Not a piece of cake, but doable if you have a purpose in mind and you don’t have to learn safety procedures.

Agent Smith, I can’t make you believe anything you don’t want to, but one thing is true. Osama exists and so does his group and he is doing harm to Muslims. No one should support him or his agenda.

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No one is supporting him as far as I can see.
So you agree with Bush when he said “either you are with us or with terrorist”
Do you believe that people should have no right to question their government and if they do they are supporting Osama?

Guess it...
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Please dont ask Agent Smith for sources to back up his claim.. he will ask you to google it... Like I cant make up a page full of all this BS. Agent Smith aruguments based on credible sources are worth my time. So when you find a credible source to back up all this BS ... I will come by and carry on a debate with you... until then keep mugging up these conspiracy theories..!

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wow, some conclusion, you just stopped short of calling me anti-American. I never said that I don't want Iraq and Afghanistan to prosper, you can't prosper or help a nation prosper by bombing it. Note: Examples of Japan and Germany do not apply here.

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You may climb K-2 peak if you really are dedicated but not skilled enough, but you can't design a computer if you aren't skilled enough irrespective of how dedicated you are. Difference? You can push yourself to phsyical extremes when 'dedicated' and accomplish something 'physical' but something which requires 'technical skills' you need to spend your 'dedicated' energy in learning the technology, your 'dedication' won't transform into the computer without you having the required skills.

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Agreed. The bombing must stop and people must start helping themselves at some point. But I wonder why is it that the Japapn and German examples don't apply?
1. They were able to build a strong central government.
2. Their cultures were more succeptable to accepting democracy.
3. They were not dominated by religious extremists.
4. They were more educated or harder working
5. Their people are more homogeneous.