Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Random? No, they are based on scripture - random would imply that I fabricate where needed.
Questionable logic? Well … Saying that doesn’t make any of my arguments unsound or even invalid until you demonstrate that, perhaps citing an example to counter.
Also here you have presented an argument of your very own:
If random axioms are employed on questionable logic … then it is not a “real” discussion or debate …
To analyse this we should look at the definition of discussion or debate:
From Google uncle: Discussion
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- The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
- A conversation or debate about a certain topic.
This definition neither requires us believe that a discussion has to have non-random axioms nor perfect logic.
From Google uncle: Debate
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A formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.Neither does this …
However, I do sympathise with the atheistic approach that they choose not to place trust in anything until they have proven it to themselves … (well the more truthful ones will do this).
To the atheist it seems like this:
Muslims: “We believe that the Qur’an is the Word of God”
Atheist: “Prove it”
Muslims: “Look here s says so in the Qur’an”
BUT … this is not the way it is really done … The above is flimsy it is not invalid as far as pure inductive reasoning goes but it is indeed circular and adds nothing.
My approach together with others who have studied these rules goes like this:
Muslims: “We believe that the Qur’an is the Word of God”
Atheist: “Prove it”
Muslims: “I can’t prove that God “has” written it, but I can try to show that it could not have been written by man”
Muslims: "I can’t necessarily show in each place of the Qur’an how it is true, but in the areas that I can access in the ways of my senses, analytical techniques (various sciences) I can indeed show in all those areas it is true and fair. I am then obliged to “trust” those places where I have no access.