Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
http://khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/Mojooda%20Fitna/FitnaGamdi/Data/Pamphlets/FitnaGamdi/FitnaGamdi.zip
http://www.tanzeem.org/online/ebooks/ebooks/O-23%20Fikr-e-Ghamidi/main.asp
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Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Dude that is a really twisted way of checking someones credibility!
@Aceones >> Your links don't work. Post'em again!
Yes dude! Sounds like you caught on it fast.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Read the second book of the link. Makes good points but reading it without having read the original, makes it difficult to have an opinion.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
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Many of these dudes quote him out of context I'll have to refer his original books. But whatever I've heard him say or read his articles I've never come across anything objectionable.
Yes dude! Sounds like you caught on it fast.
That I do! But your way is dumb too. I've long since learnt to be skeptical of what Mullahs have to say about someone who opposes their tyrannical attitude.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Many of these dudes quote him out of context I'll have to refer his original books. But whatever I've heard him say or read his articles I've never come across anything objectionable.
so these "dudes" quote him out of context everywhere, and you are going to refer his original books : ) good enough.
as i said earlier in another thread, a lot of people find him "logical" and cool because he says what many of us want to listen... would you please care to enlighten us where these "dudes" had tyrannical attitude in the above books, and give us the in-depth knowledge of exactly what was the case but our "mullahs" took it wrong for thousands of years and now ghamdi sahab got it right.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
so these "dudes" quote him out of context everywhere, and you are going to refer his original books : ) good enough.
Exactly, because I can on my own decide between right and wrong. Nothing but blind following has led Muslim to this pathetic state. Though I don't claim authority on anything, decision making part of my brain does not require a Mullah to write a lengthy book to force me to form a biased opinion ... ... unlike some :) ... ...
And when did started perceiving cool and logical as a wrong?
would you please care to enlighten us where these "dudes" had tyrannical attitude in the above books,
The comment was for Diwana dude but anyway, my pleasure! Instead of confining your enlightenment to the above books, I'll do it on a larger scale.
By definition, a "tyrant" is a person who is incapable of hearing a different opinion other than his. Mullahs have the same attitude hardwired into them. If you do not agree with a Mullah, doesn't matter if you are right, he will label you a Kafir, Qadiani, Murtad, Mardud, wajib-ul-Qatal and complex words that I don't even understand. I can never run out of examples to prove my point but consider these:
According to mullahs suicide bombing is legitimate, saying otherwise can get you killed. 80 year old Moulana Hassan Jan of Malakand was killed in his mosque by a suicide bomber at a Friday sermon for saying this. A Muslim cannot be killed by another Muslim unless there is a political authority to do so. But you hear Mullahs call for deaths of people like they own these lives. Passerbys who perish in suicide bombings are supposed to go to haven as collateral damage. It's OK to kill 10 Muslims just to take a single American life. Women can be flogged. Women have no right to an education. They cannot work etc etc These are all fatwas given by different "Mullahs" and I am sure you don't agree with these either.
and give us the in-depth knowledge of exactly what was the case but our "mullahs" took it wrong for thousands of years and now ghamdi sahab got it right.
Going too "in-depth" will make this boring. Don't make this a personal grudge. And I don't have a relation with Ghamidi. I accept what I think is right, reject what is wrong and if I don't understand something I do research. I doubt you have read any of Ghamidi's books. Try to form your own opinion. Study Quran and Sunnah and you won't have to give me these books by some dudes to prove your point.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Many of these dudes quote him out of context I'll have to refer his original books. But whatever I've heard him say or read his articles I've never come across anything objectionable.
That I do! But your way is dumb too. I've long since learnt to be skeptical of what Mullahs have to say about someone who opposes their tyrannical attitude.
I do not know what you are babbling about. Go back to my post, it was not just about Ghamdi, it was about the general trend these days where I mentioned people tend to get stronger impression of someone who appears calm during his speech. Regarless of how wrong that person may be. A general comment but in the 'context' of Ghamdi discussion.
You find nothing objectionable in his books, fine. Go ahead follow him. But try not disagree rudely with others who do not.
When you mentioned with rude attitude (which by the way you have consistently are showing in this thread), that this is a twisted way of checking someone's credibility, I actually agreed with you in my response.
There are four combinations roughly:
1- Cool minded but wrong. A lot of evil work in this world has been done by people from this group.
2- Cool minded and correct.
3- Firey/emotional and correct.
4- Firey/emotional but irrational and wrong. A lot of evil work has been done in this world by this group also.
You belong to the fourth group anyone can see in this thread. Can't even read what is written but keep babbling!
Exactly, because I can on my own decide between right and wrong. Nothing but blind following has led Muslim to this pathetic state. Though I don't claim authority on anything, decision making part of my brain does not require a Mullah to write a lengthy book to force me to form a biased opinion ... ... unlike some :) ... ...
And when did started perceiving cool and logical as a wrong?
.................................. By definition, a "tyrant" is a person who is incapable of hearing a different opinion other than his. ................
No one suggested being cool minded or logical wrong. Learn to read.
By 'your' definition, YOU are tyrant.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
When you mentioned with rude attitude (which by the way you have consistently are showing in this thread), that this is a twisted way of checking someone's credibility, I actually agreed with you in my response.
LOL! I apologizes for the rudeness. I mistook your comment for sarcasm.
You belong to the fourth group anyone can see in this thread. Can't even read what is written but keep babbling!
You've misjudged, I only stated some facts. There is nothing emotional about my post infact you'll have to do a lot of work to get me emotional. You can safely place me in your second category.
By 'your' definition, YOU are tyrant.
My definition has a word "incapable" in it. A tyrant's reaction to a different opinion than his own is suppression and I am debating this with you, aren't I?
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
LOL! I apologizes for the rudeness. I mistook your comment for sarcasm.
You've misjudged, I only stated some facts. There is nothing emotional about my post infact you'll have to do a lot of work to get me emotional. You can safely place me in your second category.
My definition has a word "incapable" in it. A tyrant's reaction to a different opinion than his own is suppression and I am debating this with you, aren't I?
OK.
My humble suggestion is that you present your idea with evidences like Ghamdi's own words or videos for the topics he is considered controvertial on. Let people decide.
You misunerstood my agreement with you because I used the same word 'dude' before that just to return on what you began with using this word.
In essence you have proven that my sentence in red above was also correct.
It is important also how someone says besides what someone says.
One Example: Roko, Mut Jaanay duo.
Compared with this: Roko Mut, Jaanay duo.
Exactly opposite meaning based on where you pause in same sentence.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Let people decide.
That I do. Observe this previous statement I made to another person.
I accept what I think is right, reject what is wrong and if I don't understand something I do research. I doubt you have read any of Ghamidi's books. Try to form your own opinion. Study Quran and Sunnah and you won't have to give me these books by some dudes to prove your point.
In essence you have proven that my sentence in red above was also correct.
I never contradicted it in the first place I only pointed out the absurdity of the implication that a cool-minded person has got something up his sleeve. You ask me for evidence but you have yet to point a single mistake in Ghamdi's beliefs and so does Aceones. This is your first post in this thread:
To add what you said, he and people like him just fill the gap much needed for those who could put some 'logic' to the religious affairs.
Most religious scholars have not been able to understand themselves (not been taught the art of argument and logic) let alone they could calmly explain religious rulings etc. at the level of common people.
There are people who accept anything when they are told : It is from God or the Prophet SAW.
Many others want something more and then these kind of 'cool minded' 'moderate looking' people come and get fame.
If someone has not studied religion, both kind of people easily can make that person believe what is not even religious. But these cool minded have stronger effect.
And in subsequent posts you have done nothing but berated Ghamdi as cool and wrong!!! Shows you haven't studied him yet. Now I'm not saying his beliefs don't have flaws, I m just saying don't condemn a man just because a Mullah says so.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
Peace Bulld0zer
What is it in a name? Bull - d0zer ... Nonsense and Sleeping - or Flatting everyone who comes in your way? I didn't choose the name. I thought however it was really well chosen when you started giving our respected Diwana the Bulld0zer treatment. LOL.
:)
His style you'll come to notice soon is one of where he very quickly groups behaviour and puts a name to it. Often it will seem as though he is presenting it as his opinion, but if you read it carefully (no d0zing) you will see what it is he is saying.
In this thread he was explaining why "other" people do such and such and elaborated with another group of people. At the same time he tried to keep himself aloof of taking sides at least amongst the presented types of people. You can consider him to be "none of the above" - I hope it's okay for me to talk on your behalf Diwana.
Re: Prof Javed Ghamdi
LOL! That sums me up pretty closely.
You have a deep and pretty intimate knowledge of diwana’s inner workings … :aq: