President Musharraf and Pakistan

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That said I havent missed an Eid prayer for many years, 10 or 12....since I was a young lad with only an ounce of rebellion in my thought.

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When you have your hero, Ghazi running out of a Mosque in a burka, I bet he said the same thing

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I think Friday prayers are more important than Eid Prayers

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What? Ok if you think Ghazi is my hero then so be it.
Who's your hero? George Michael?

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well Hareem! It is no fun arguing like this with M2k. I can also state that i busted all pro Mush arguments from him. mere claiming is no big deal. Reality is there on the street. The country stands divided and that is the most dangerous thing

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legbreakgoogly and hareem: stop fighting.

One more personal digs and u both will be warned. Be careful.

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You busted up nothing..

I again destroyed your arguments

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=258806

Enjoy reading

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How can a singer become a Hero?

Please explain that rationale to me.....

You really need to read twice what you type before hitting the "Submit Reply" button

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I havent said anything!

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Saleem, by all this rant in first post, do you suggest that Musharraf is not a dictator?

I never knew that, how dare rest of the world says that there is no democracy in Pakistan, its a shame democratic countries like US, UK don't think Pakistan is democratic... tsk tsk, shame shame.

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Musharraf is dictator? Well, he was a moderate dictator until Oct 2002 (from moderate dictator, I mean dictator with democratic instinct). Though, it is unfortunate that when a person get recognised as dictator, many believe that it is their right to call that person dictator, even when that person is no more a dictator. Today Musharraf has less dictatorial behaviour than one can expect from most politicians in power (certainly most third world politicians). Today, Musharraf dictatorial behaviour is milder then many (past and present) American Presidents or British Prime Ministers.

As for democracy in Pakistan, I believe that all world democracies accept that there is democracy in Pakistan. After military takeover, common wealth suspended membership of Pakistan due to end of democracy. But common wealth lifted the suspension in recognition of Pakistan return to democracy after 2002 election. Today, Pakistan do not have any dictatorship, rather Pakistan has much better democracy than many so-called democratic countries of the world.

Today many world democracies admit that present democracy in Pakistan is more democratic then any past democracy in Pakistan. Though, I have to admit that at time some countries have doubted democracy in Pakistan, though one can brush that aside, as that is nothing but their malafied ranting.:smiley:

It is obvious, as many western countries are unhappy seeing economical progress in Pakistan and most do not want that Pakistan get economically strong. Most rich western countries would love to see corrupts taking over Pakistan again, as they would prefer to see weak and dependent Pakistan surviving on their aid, rather financially strong Pakistan independent from aids, and competing for world economical leadership. :hoonh:

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^ I see you are still confused to whether regard Musharraf as "moderate", "milder dictator", Pakistan is "(mild/wild) dictator-ruled" or "democratic". How can Pakistan be a "democratic" country when its "President" is still wearing army uniform? I also see you suffering from conspiracy theorism about how other countries don't want Pakistan to be stronger etc.

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Musharraf is a dictator but he wants to portray an image of being benevolent. That is why he is okay with criticism and media coverage as long as his core interests are not threatened. However, whenever any critic comes close to power centre - be it individual or media, Musharraf's dictatorship comes out in public. See what happened to media during the CJ crisis and what happens to people like Makhdoom Javed Hashmi or even the aide of the Chief Justice who refused to lie and got killed mysteriously.

Musharraf is a dictator also because he refuses to say when and how he will leave office. Non-dictators always accept the fact that they will have to leave office on a specific day in a peaceful manner.

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Well, I did not write anywhere in my post that Musharraf is milder dictator. I referred to his behaviour and compared it with politicians. Dictator is one thing and dictatorial behaviour is another.

You asked about how a President could be in uniform and still there is democracy … good question :). Well, that happened many times in history. Examples are President General de Gaullue in France and General Cromwell in UK. Even President Washington of USA was General in power. They all led government that is considered as democracy.

General Cromwell is considered the most influential person in establishing democracy in UK, used military under his command to bring liberty to people of UK from tyrant monarchs and corrupt church, and helped democracy.

Seems General Musharraf is doing same for people of Pakistan what General Cromwell did for people of UK. That is, he is bringing liberty for Pakistanis from corrupt politicians and retarded Mullahs. Difference is that, Cromwell brought changes crude way, by executing corrupts, while Musharraf is bringing changes in decent way, by forcing corrupts to exile ;).

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:rotfl: sure sure

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Where do you get your info from?? Crime is as bad as its ever been

The 'terrorism' has gone down because the MQM terrorists are part of the Mush govt, as opposed to fighting the govt

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He is a hero for you.......your god. btw why did you find my suggestion for Sa1eem for reading Mechiavelli so rediclous?

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Neither De Gaulle nor Washington were commanding their army when they became president. De Gaulle actually never commanded the French army, he was a brigadier general when Germans defeated the French army. Musharraf has once compared himself with de Gaulle and said that, "How did General de Gaulle continue in uniform all through his period as president of France, and France is a democratic country". Ayaz Amir has written an article to clear this confused commando why he is not a pakistani de Gaulle and why de Gaulle often appeared in his military uniform. George Washington had already resigned as US army's commander in chief when he was elected as president.

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And neither of them came to power through a coup de etat.

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^ good job shawaiz_k :k: lets see what defenders of ‘dictator’ say now :cb: