How can people jump to the conlcusion that christopher reeves was either atheist or hated god??? How would you know what he believed in??? And besides, isn't it true that christians will also go to heaven sooner or later?? Don't they believe in god, the same god that we believe in ???
i dont know where all you come from or which quran you read
i do meet muslims everyday thay dont say these things you say.
when i sneeze they say god bless you
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
....when i sneeze they say god bless you
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Yes that is a very good tradition in Bihar. Now quit sneezing.
Ok honest question here, how many of you sit around praying for strangers on the news/tv etc?
I'll be honest here.I pray for myself, and those who are close to me.Even then, its impossible to sit around and pray for uh all of them.So quit worrying.May those who have passed away rest in peace.Dont see anything wrong in wishing the best for the families of such people etc.WHat other prayers do you guys have for the late superman?
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Ok honest question here, how many of you sit around praying for strangers on the news/tv etc?
I'll be honest here.I pray for myself, and those who are close to me.Even then, its impossible to sit around and pray for uh all of them.So quit worrying.May those who have passed away rest in peace.Dont see anything wrong in wishing the best for the families of such people etc.WHat other prayers do you guys have for the late superman?
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if i saved your life and you going to say thankyou kafir
you going hell anyhow?
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if i saved your life and you going to say thankyou kafir
you going hell anyhow?
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bud' we r only following our religion and quoting from our holy book {quran-e-paak} in regards to this matter, and the holy quran says those who doubt the concept of tauheed r bound for hell. so we r just reiterating what allah says in holy quran.
read the article
THE WAY IT WAS: Infidels and brother Muslims —Mian Ijaz Ul Hassan
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-10-2004_pg3_4
So those who have lost the answer somewhere. Here it is...
Saying Inna lillah wa inna Aleh-e Rajeoon for any person/thing dead,alive, stolen or lost is perfectly alright. There is no harm in it. You can say it as many times as you want.
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How can people jump to the conlcusion that christopher reeves was either atheist or hated god??? How would you know what he believed in??? And besides, isn't it true that christians will also go to heaven sooner or later?? Don't they believe in god, the same god that we believe in ???
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thats a new....never have i heard that man
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if i saved your life and you going to say thankyou kafir
you going hell anyhow?
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If you ever do save my life (not about to happen in this life) - Im sure I can thank you (omit the kafir part) without going to hell.
There’s a book called ‘Baheshti Zevar’ which used to be a staple for muslims in Indo-Pakistan for a long time - still is, I believe for many. I am sure you won’t agree with a lot of stuff thats in that book, however, it is compiled by scholars who are “grounded in knowledge” too. I am, personally, not a follower or enthusiast for that book, either, however for the sake of intellectual honesty, do admit that there is a reasonable argument that all people who have even an “iota” of imaan in their hearts will move to Jannat at some point.
Anyway, here it goes…From Bahishti](alinaam.org.za)
These books of deeds will land automatically into the hands of the respective persons. The scale will be brought whereby all the good and evil deeds will be weighed and established. The order will then be given for everyone to cross the bridge called " siraat". Those whose good deeds were heavier in the scale will cross the “siraat” and enter paradise. As for those whose evil deeds were heavier and Allah did not forgive them. will fall into hell. Those whose goods deeds and evil deeds are equal, will go to a place called “a’raaf” which is between jannah and jahannam. They will stay over there.
Thereafter, Rasulullah ( sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the other Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam), the aalim, the wali, the martyr, the haafiz of the quraan, and other pious servants will intercede on behalf of the sinners. Their intercession will be accepted. The person who has even an iota of imaan in his heart will eventually come out of jahannam and admitted into jannah. Similarly, those who were made to remain at “a’raaf” will be admitted into jannah. Only those who are absolute kuffaar and polytheists will remain in jahannam. Once all in inhabitants of jannah and jahannam have taken their respective places, Allah Ta’ala will place “death” in form of a ram between jannah and jahannam. All the inhabitants of jannah and jahannam will be able to see it. In the presence of all of them, Allah Ta’ala will have this ram slaughtered and announce that now no death will overcome the inhabitants of jannah. All of them will have to remain in their respective places forever. When they hear this, there will be no limit to happiness that hte inhabitants of jannah will experience. And there will be no limit to sorrow and grief that the inhabitants of jahannam will experience.
As is clear, these are all matters of aqeeda, so convincing someone to believe one way or the other is only through the mercy of Allah T’allah.
Ok, a I received a comment about the above post, which I shall reproduce here for the benefit of all members, and then provide my (limited) perspective. The comment is as follows:
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I just wanted to remind you that when we as muslims talk about Iman, Iman according to our understandings (and when I use words like our and we, I am refering to Muslims) as laid out by The same Almighty and His prophet (SAW) is just not beleiving in One God but ... ] that Iman consists of 7 things termed as "Imaan-e-Muffassil".
- Imaan on One Almighty
- Imaan on All prophets of Allah
- Imaan on the finality of Prophethood
- Imaan on All books of Allah sent to His messengers including the four major ones.
- Imaan on Angels
- Imaan on day of judgemnet
- Imaan on Taqdeer.
An 'iota of imaan' does not leave out any of these but to have imaan on all of these yet to the extent where it can be measured in iota. Hope that puts the quote in perspective. Otherwise, it is fair to say that anyone who leaves Islam and turned his back to Christianity so that he/she can have more freedom per se, yet can claim to have 'an iota of iman' by having beleive in one God; thus it would not make a difference to be or not to be a muslim!
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This is an important point, and as muslims we definitely want to be on the right side of Imaan, and have firm belief on all these 7 things. However, that is what we are supposed to be, because our aim is to be successful in the hereafter and do good deeds to be sent to janaah rightaway.
What my previous post was quoting are about those people who had been sent to hell because of a lack of imaan and/or bad deeds, and then the "Rasulullah ( sallallahu alayhi wasallam), [and] the other Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam)" will intercede on behalf of sinners.
The fact that other Ambiyaa are mentioned is to reinforce that we are not just talking about muslims, but also prior nations and jews and christians (amongst others) and these people are mentioned in the Quran as those who made partners with Allah (mushrikeen). There is no way these guys (jews and christians) are going to pass the test of Imaan-e-mufassil. So despite that, if we say that "those with an iota of imaan", that, to my mind, reduces it just to the core concept of Belief in Allah. Thats an iota.
The punishment for these people is that they were thrown in hell and got years of punishment before their "iota of imaan" got them out of hell and into paradise. You have to juxtapose that with Quran's frequent declarations that say that Allah does not want to punish you and that he is Rahmaan and Raheem, and a reasonable conclusion is that He, the Almighty, will accept the intercession to get even major sinners out of hell, just because they had an "iota of imaan". And this is not limited to just muslims.
Ofcourse, the idea that even non-muslims can enter janaah at some point (after spending time in hell) probably goes against what a lot of you believe very strongly, and that is fine. We each believe what we choose to belief, especially when it comes to Powers of Almighty and what will happen on the Day of Judgement. Our aim should always be to have firm imaan and be successful on the Day of Qiyama'a. So I will leave it at that.
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The fact that other Ambiyaa are mentioned is to reinforce that we are not just talking about muslims, but also prior nations and jews and christians (amongst others) and these people are mentioned in the Quran as those who made partners with Allah (mushrikeen).
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The ones who made partners with Allah are the ones who strayed from the creed of the prophets that came to them... unless, that is, you are going to make the ridiculous assertion that Moses and Jesus taught shirk!! So the ones who believed in and followed the creed of their prophets will be interceded for, even if they were profuse sinners so long as they had an iota of iman...
Bahishti Zewar itself confirms that the mushrikeen will remain in hell forever.
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There is no way these guys (jews and christians) are going to pass the test of Imaan-e-mufassil.
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Again, that's because they've strayed from correct iman and fallen into major shirk, something which cancels out iman... "Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth." (4:48)
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So despite that, if we say that "those with an iota of imaan", that, to my mind, reduces it just to the core concept of Belief in Allah.
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No it doesn't... otherwise, according to your religion, Satan and Pharoah are mu'mins having iman...
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No it doesn't... otherwise, according to your religion, Satan and Pharoah are mu'mins having iman...
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There should be a limit of exagerration; or you should explain your definition of "mu'min" cz being thrown in hell for a number of years doesn't quite sound like the gift for a "mu'min", but anyway. Whatever makes you happy. As I said, these are just matters of belief. No one is establishing a new religion here, unless, ofcourse, you want to for yourself.
^ Someone who has iman can be called a mu'min... that's elementary school Arabic
"just matters of belief" you say, as though it's something trifling
so according to you Satan and Pharaoh have that iota of iman that'll allow prophets etc. to intercede for them and admit them to paradise??
Nothing trifling. Just something that is hard to prove, one way or the other.
^ So you do believe that about Satan and Pharaoh... interesting...
Did I say that? No. You did. So you probably do. :)
^ So what do you mean by "core concept of Belief in Allah" then??
So what is your point, if any? :)