Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Polls don't lie
US does not want to see an islamic state/ caliphate or whatever you want to call it thats for sure and will do anything to stop that.
the one doing the deflection are the Yankee apologists who think bombing and killing thousands upon thousands of people is ok
Polls dont lie, but they can be deceptive. I believe there is far more complexity to the issue then can be gleamed through just a few questions.
For example: If you went and asked anyone in a Muslim country "is an Islamic system the best form of governance?" and that was all you asked, then the vast majority will probably say yes... But what that doesn't tell you is what exactly they understand to be "Islamic" or how a govt should be constituted for it to be considered "Islamic." Everyone falls on different degrees of religiosity, everyone has a different understanding of their faith and even the terminology that used to describe it.
To draw the conclusion that this poll indicates a single specific conclusion, is assuming far to much from far to little.
Your conclusions about the motvies of the US, are without any merit. For such a broad conclusion, you must have a lot of evidence. You interpretation off things pertaining to the issue does not constitute evidence, its just paranoia.
One could just as easily argue that Muslims themselves could never allow a Caliphate, as they can never be in agreement on who should claim such a title. In fact, Islamic history tells us that for a caliphate to hold so many diverse regions together under one system is a tall order. When ever it has been done, it was with the help of overwhelming military prowess. Otherwise, as soon as one group see's a weakness, they seize upon and constitute their own kingdoms with themselves representing the caliph.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Polls don't lie
US does not want to see an islamic state/ caliphate or whatever you want to call it thats for sure and will do anything to stop that.
the one doing the deflection are the Yankee apologists who think bombing and killing thousands upon thousands of people is ok
China is occupying Xinjiang and is literally trying to replace the indigenous Uighur Muslims, with Han Chinese. Han now make up about 40 percent of the population.
The problem is you people only criticize the US, simply because its popular and gives you brownie points with like minded people.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
yeah... okay. this is what is called delusions of grandeur.
and you are in china - an atheist state that actively suppresses islamic practices like fasting in ramzaan. but china is a very nice and sweet bff for islamic republic of pakistan. amreeka where muslims practice their faith unimpeded is stopping caliphate. open your eyes, frandshipzz..
not in china at this moment but what has were i do business got to do with topic of polls indicating muslims wants islamic laws in their countries?
If you want to start topic on china you know what to do.
As for this topic I could also be in New york city or cape town and still say muslims in places like pakistan, libya, algeria and others want shariah law according to all the polls i seen, and your argument is still defeated.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
not in china at this moment but what has were i do business got to do with topic of polls indicating muslims wants islamic laws in their countries?
If you want to start topic on china you know what to do.
As for this topic I could also be in New york city or cape town and still say muslims in places like pakistan, libya, algeria and others want shariah law according to all the polls i seen, and your argument is still defeated.
China is relevant to the extent that you seem to have no problem with China in regards to its involvement in the affairs of Muslims or its abuse of Muslims, yet you do have a problem with the Americans and their involvement in the affairs of Muslims. In fact, if you were genuine you would be far more critical of the Chinese and their oppressive nature, as opposed to the Americans who allow full religious freedom to Muslims.
So another words, your concern for Muslims is insincere, and you simply criticize America because thats what all the cool kids are doing...
Why leave it to others to start a topic on China. It should be your duty to do so considering your such a champion of Islam. Be careful the Chinese dont throw you in prison for sedition however.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
not in china at this moment but what has were i do business got to do with topic of polls indicating muslims wants islamic laws in their countries?
If you want to start topic on china you know what to do.
As for this topic I could also be in New york city or cape town and still say muslims in places like pakistan, libya, algeria and others want shariah law according to all the polls i seen, and your argument is still defeated.
oh so talking about china upsets you.. my bad.
what does US have to do with this topic? why did you bring that up? china has exactly the same or more to do with it. comprende, pai je?
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Muslims in the muslim countries want islamic laws no matter how you ask the question so get over it.
Pakistan just had an election, remind me which one of the Islamic parties did well? And not the ones who just put muslim or Islam in their name to appease the idiots.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Pakistan just had an election, remind me which one of the Islamic parties did well? And not the ones who just put muslim or Islam in their name to appease the idiots.
Pakistan elections are done within the framework of its secular constitution pakistan is not implementing shariah laws and is not an islamic state.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
China is relevant to the extent that you seem to have no problem with China in regards to its involvement in the affairs of Muslims or its abuse of Muslims, yet you do have a problem with the Americans and their involvement in the affairs of Muslims. In fact, if you were genuine you would be far more critical of the Chinese and their oppressive nature, as opposed to the Americans who allow full religious freedom to Muslims.
So another words, your concern for Muslims is insincere, and you simply criticize America because thats what all the cool kids are doing...
Why leave it to others to start a topic on China. It should be your duty to do so considering your such a champion of Islam. Be careful the Chinese dont throw you in prison for sedition however.
The topic is about poll on muslim views on shariah law.
You can attack china all you want till you blue in the face if there was a topic on xingxang i would comment on it also. But why you forcing people to comment on a topic that is unrelated to polls and muslim views on islamic laws?
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
oh so talking about china upsets you.. my bad.
what does US have to do with this topic? why did you bring that up? china has exactly the same or more to do with it. comprende, pai je?
I couldn't careless what you call china or the chinese the japanese or even the aborigines it makes not one bit of difference to me.
My exact comments on The United states was it physically is in a war where it occupies muslim countries and is clear in its agenda from preventing an islamic state from being established that's the difference if you cannot see that then there is no helping you.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
The topic is about poll on muslim views on shariah law.
You can attack china all you want till you blue in the face if there was a topic on xingxang i would comment on it also. But why you forcing people to comment on a topic that is unrelated to polls and muslim views on islamic laws?
Why should I talk about China? Your the defender of all Muslims, why dont you start a topic on the Chinese, you must know a lot about them. you do know how they treat the Muslims in China dont you?
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
This is what the “secular” constitution contains:
The name ‘Islamic Republic of Pakistan’ is selected for the state of Pakistan.
Islam is declared as the state religion of Pakistan.
Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually or collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam.
Steps shall be taken to make the teaching of the Qur’an and Islamiyat compulsory,to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Qur’an.
Proper organisation of Zakat, waqf and mosques is ensured.
Only a Muslim could be qualified for election as President (male or female) and Prime Minister (male or female). No restriction as to religion or gender on any other post, up to and including provincial governor and Chief Minister.
All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Qur’an and Sunnah and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions.
A Council of Islamic Ideology shall be constituted referred to as the Islamic Council. The functions of the Islamic Council shall be to make recommendations to Parliament and the Provincial Assemblies about the ways and means of enabling and encouraging the Muslims of Pakistan to order their lives in accordance with the principles of Islam.
The President or the Governor of a province may, or if two fifths of its total membership so requires, a House or a Provincial Assembly shall, refer to the Islamic Council for advice on any question as to whether a proposed law is or is not repugnant to the injunctions of Islam.
For the first time, the Constitution of Pakistan gave definition of a Muslim which states: ‘Muslim’ means a person who believes in the unity and oneness of Allah, in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and does not believe in, or recognise as a prophet or religious reformer, any person who claimed or claims to be a prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad.
The state shall endeavor to strengthen the bonds of unity among Muslim countries.
And this is STILL secular to these people. These people obviously dont understand what “secular” means. this JavedMiandad character is such an embarrassment. This is why you cant take these people seriously. For te sake of sanity, they should be ignored or banned from holding any public positions of influence.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
^ This was very informative.
By the way, I read elsewhere (World forum) 3 young men sentenced to death per Sharia law in Saudi. The leader will be crucified. Others have been crucified fir THREE days before beheading - I think for similar crimes. To add insult to injury, the head was 15 when this robbery happened.
To Sharia law loving, secular hating folks, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
^ This was very informative.
By the way, I read elsewhere (World forum) 3 young men sentenced to death per Sharia law in Saudi. The leader will be crucified. Others have been crucified fir THREE days before beheading - I think for similar crimes. To add insult to injury, the head was 15 when this robbery happened.
To Sharia law loving, secular hating folks, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
By implying that "crucifixion" and "beheading" is something they would find repulsive is assuming to much of these people. In reality, many of them think torture and beheading are perfectly reasonable and something that should be emulated in other parts of the world.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
the pak constitution does no deny the onesness of allah(swt) nor does it deny islam as a “religion” however it does not make the Quran and Sunnah as the source of legislation.
2.Over 250 articles in the pakistan constitution and not one is derived from Quran and sunnah (sources of islamic law).
A quick look at article 2 is clear evidence for anyone that cares to read it. Islam is viewed not as a divine source of legislation but merely as “the state religion of Pakistan”
This is no different than Greece or Denmark who have Christianity as their state religion is anyone calling Greece Christian or a secular country? everyone knows it is secular.
4.Article 31 mentions the State acts as a facilitator for its citizens to to practice islam in their personal capacity if they wish" Proving state is secular in its view on religion.
These few examples of the hundreds show the secular constitution of pakistan as it is, debunking the hollow claims of certain secularists on this issue.
For people who cannot be bothered to look at the constitution to study its source of legislation they can simply observe pakistan and its behavior.
a. Pakistan has a interest based economy (islam forbids interest)
b. Pakistan has military co-operation with countries which at war with muslim nations i.e United States Government (which shariah law allows this? none)
c. Drones attacks ( need i say anymore)
etc
etc
But the final nail in his coffin from a well known american source (to show no bias) who acknowledge the nature of Pakistan constitution:
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
It only takes 2 seconds to show how completely ridiculous you are.
***All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Qur’an and Sunnah and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions. ***
You dont know what sunnah is, you just use certain phrases and think you are being Islamic.. In reality, there is no single system that can be imposed on everyone.
Divine source of legislation vs state religion… A religion is by definition divinely ordained, hence any state professing to follow a “state religion” professes to the be following something divine. So your point is null. And Pakistan not only makes islam its state religion, it goes further by having all laws in line with Islamic precepts.
The state cant force people to follow any religion. That’s against Islam. If you were an actual Muslim and not an extremist, you would know that.
If you want to destroy our banking system and start from scratch then go right ahead. Pakistan has an interest based banking system because that is what it has always had and there is no practical replacement for it.
US is at war with terrorists and extremists. There is nothing more Islamic then fighting oppressors and criminals of any ilk. The Taliban are animals and they deserve to die, and any decent Muslim should support the war against them.
Drone attacks are a perfect way of killing terrorists.. Nothing unislamic about killing terrorists and criminals. I say we have more drones killing even more terrorists. An ideal situation would be for the Pakistan army to do it. But they wont, so let the Americans.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
" The state cant force people to follow any religion. That's against Islam. "
Well said.
Its never "Islamic" enough for these fanatic nuts. This is why you never give an inch to them. Give em an inch and they want a yard. Pak is learning the hard way that these irrational mullahs and their followers are nothing but deranged half wits whose only purpose is to destroy society and call it progress.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Correct pakistan constitution views islam as just a personal religion not as source of law or legislation.
not one of your examples of Riba economy, military ties with violent nation like USA which all prohibited by islamic laws did he refute because he cannot.
Even the encyclopedias including Wikipedia acknowledge the nature of pakistan constitution is secular but this guy thinks he is correct because la illah illal la is written in constitution what a comedian.
Re: Poll: Muslim youth feel alienated from secular politics but want Islamic laws!
Some have already pointed out the secualr nature of the pakistan constitution i would like to point out the role of the Federal Shariah Court. Which is mentioned under article 203.
According to its initial remit it is established in order to ensure no laws are in conflict with islam or contradict it, but laughably in the same article it says the Pakistan constitution is not included under its remit.
A futhur note "PLD 1992 FSC376" from the Federal shariah court states and i quote
"Constitution has been safeguarded from review of the Federal Shariah court by special provision, therfore articles of the constitution are outside the limits of authority of Federal Shariah court and jurisdiction".
I.e this so called shariah court has no effect on the constitution even if all 280 articles of constitution contradict islam!