Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
Ever heard of the phrase " violence begets violence"? Obviously not.
An eye for an eye and all that malarkey.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
An eye for an eye and all that malarkey.
Your posts are very inciting and almost irresistible to not to respond to. But I've been on Internet discussion forums for long enough to know when a person is expressing real concerns and when he's trolling. So yeah, goodbye!
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
Ever heard of the phrase " violence begets violence"? Obviously not.
Should we let them massacre Iraq's minorities and Shia and hope they dont commit violence against us?
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
Should we let them massacre Iraq's minorities and Shia and hope they dont commit violence against us?
Who is this "we"?
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
Who is this "we"?
We as in the citizens of the world and human beings.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
stay away from ALL warns and violence. Stay safe
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
while we are on it, lets also tell britain to not invade india in the 1600s. thanks much.
the question is, what are the options on the table today? personally i would love it if the west stayed out and let the region decide for itself. but if you are sitting on energy that everyone in the world wants, your ass is grass if you cant get your act together.
lolz, continue bombing people to get options on the table and choose the only option of bombing people.
why not declare might is right which is under the cover of bloody extra judicial justice?
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
lolz, continue bombing people to get options on the table and choose the only option of bombing people. why not declare might is right which is under the cover of bloody extra judicial justice?
sure, lets hold talks with the ISIS clowns punch-drunk on making it to heaven asap. you guys had peace talks with the TTP. how did that go? back to army bombing their ass to hell. these guys have nothing to lose and can not be engaged in any civil way. they execute civilians. stop sympathizing with them already, ajazali.
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I dont sympathize isis, instead my issue is with US involvement that causes emerging such groups. US has done blunders in past and the reason was greed. Its naive to assume US will get over with the greed and start acting moral from now on. so you actually are supporting that international terrorism.
irony is you so called liberals see problem at one end only.
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oh okay so you dont sympathize with ISIS. awesome. you didnt comment on your TTP expertise. why didn't talks work, pal? what do you as a non-liberal god fearing muslim with humongous moral values recommend as a way to deal with the also non-liberal god fearing (irony? maybe not) etc TTP and ISIS? i am all ears.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
the fact is US is greedy and you support their cause.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
I don't think anyone here sympathises with ISIS...simply criticising US policy on bombing shouldn't be seen as "sympathising" or siding with ISIS.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
It is the most definite trait that I see in kuffaar ...
When they ask your thoughts on one issue, they will use the response to falsely conclude another issue
When they see a few examples to support their biases against you, those biases become reinforced and they will use them as though you represent them
They will use a different and more lenient measure for their own actions and a strict measure for those who are unlike them
They will resort to ridicule or sophistry to steer away criticism
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
It is the most definite trait that I see in kuffaar ...
When they ask your thoughts on one issue, they will use the response to falsely conclude another issue When they see a few examples to support their biases against you, those biases become reinforced and they will use them as though you represent them They will use a different and more lenient measure for their own actions and a strict measure for those who are unlike them They will resort to ridicule or sophistry to steer away criticism
In virtual world, this behaviour is considered trolling.
And ridiculing and mocking everyone and everything just like some stupid and empty American TV animations...It's not funny anymore.
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^ Agreed ... It's tiring dealing with such people when humans are dying in the most horrid ways. Their mockery is painful not because it is aimed at us, but because when we want to be lamenting the loss of the lives of our human brothers and sisters they want us to engage in argumentation. They have no consideration of the lives lost - they pretend to be showing concern ... but we see how much there is when there is no sympathy for us, there is no sympathy for the thousands being killed, we are struck with remorse when these things spread to citizens of the West also, yet when that happens and the media does its number on it - then they feel 'annoyance', 'hatred', and whatever negative feelings ... They then demand us to have sympathy for their countrymen by getting angry at the perpetrators ... who they want everyone to see as being those strange radical manifestations when in reality the causes do not start from them at all ... they start from the very mindset (foreign policies) of their own richer and more powerful countries ... ISIS is a reaction not a cause ...
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
One unintended consequence:
Considering it is Syria, I really think that the peshmerga would serve as a support force if they mend fences with Turkey and its troops. There needs to be UN authorization (perhaps an "ISIS " attack in russia for them to abstain) so turkey can swoop in. As Bill Maher said, we (US mainly but others) are now the airforce of Bashar Assad!
It is also time to take to task these ullu kay pathay gulf monarchies like qatar ,uae, kuwait, saudies etc who fund these wahabbi scum. All the hate against islam and warfare can be traced back to these scum in recent times. I know before any bigots point out shiites did suicide bombing and shiites sided with mongols against abbassids etc, do remember that we are not in 12th century but in the 21st century where isis wahabbi scum run loose .
Some say that it was a blessing, but I wonder if Allah shouldn’t really have given them oil or gold in the arabian desert to run footloose like some deranged monkeys. Perhaps it is a trial where nations were given much resources and blessings, but they were finally taken to task by God when they refused to be just and god fearing? Quran is filled with examples of destroyed nations.
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
The bigger problem is Assad … ISIS can be dealt with easily. Now with the attention on ISIS Syria is going to increase their torment on the rebels. Not only that, but by asking Turkey to go in they are going to create a potential Syria attack on the Turks. From where I sit … it appears that the Syrian regime is being bolstered by the West, when they are the root of the problem.
Furthermore, to stop the Wahabis - I suggest we should tell our governments to stop selling them weapons and stop buying their resources, because at the moment they are buying the weapons with the money our Western governments give them for the oil and gas … But if we did that we would neither have fuel nor money from weapons sales …
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
Syrian government forces are pursuing their war on rebels seeking the overthrow of president Bashar al-Assad and are barely affected by the US-led air campaign against the Islamic State (Isis), now focused on the embattled town of Kobani on the northern border with Turkey.
Analysts and diplomats in Syria and abroad say government air raids – including deadly barrel bombings – have claimed scores of lives in the two weeks since the coalition air strikes began. In some areas government attacks have intensified – as have rebel operations.
But the Syrian president’s ability to continue to attack his enemies without interference is fuelling anger amongst mainstream opposition supporters. “Syrian warplanes used to shell us two or three times a week but now they target us every day thanks to the coalition forces,” Faris Samir, from Harm in the northern Idlib region, complained on Thursday.
“We are losing martyrs and many get injured but no one pays any attention. Now the Syrian army is taking areas bombed by the coalition forces after the Islamic factions withdraw. I have to say that the coalition military campaign is in the interest of the Syrian regime and against the Syrian people.”
Overall, however, the strategic picture has hardly changed. The only significant government advance has been north of Aleppo. In the Homs area, coalition strikes hit Isis positions but government forces were unable to take advantage.
“In no case has a coalition air strike helped government forces,” Alaa Ibrahim, a Syrian commentator, told the Guardian. “But there has not been any hindrance to government attacks on rebels either.” Damascus, emphasising its “war on terror” narrative, has indicated that it is happy with the anti-Isis offensive and done nothing to interfere with it.
No coalition strikes have been made to help or relieve rebel forces where they were facing either Isis or government troops. Emile Hokayem of the International Institute of Strategic Studies said Assad has been able “to give his troops a break while surveying the landscape and looking for opportunities.”
Officials of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the main western-backed rebel grouping – supposed to form the nucleus of a new, more effective US-backed fighting force – protest that there is no coordination with them. ”Our supporters could be the coalition’s eyes and ears on the ground,” said one. “US strikes are being unproductive, hitting empty buildings or killing civilians. That’s why there has been such anti-strike sentiment building up inside Syria. People can’t believe that all this attention is being paid to Isis when they see Assad as the biggest terrorist.”
Coalition hits on grain silos and a gas plant in Manbij and Deir al-Zor drew warnings of a humanitarian disaster – and the risk of playing into Isis’s hands, as shortages during the winter will be blamed on the international community. The Hazm movement – backed by the US and supplied with advanced anti-tank weapons – publicly denounced the intervention but was quickly silenced by Washington, rebel sources say. Attacks on Jabhat al Nusra (another al-Qaida-linked jihadi group and a rival to Isis) have backfired, and are said to have brought it new recruits.
Civilian deaths caused by coalition attacks clearly risk a backlash. “We had 10 martyrs when they targeted Al-Riqa,” said Zeid Al-Jabli, a student from Zawiya in the Idlib area. “There had been a base for Jabhat al-Nusra but they pulled out a long time ago and the civilians were killed instead. Shelling by the regime has intensified because of the coalition. We have martyrs and wounded every day.”
Mustafa Ahmed, also from the Idlib region, agreed :”I believe that the coalition’s intervention is in support of the regime. Now we have new displaced people created by the coalition.”
Yet few believe that Assad will benefit in the long run from the anti-Isis offensive. ”He does not have the human resources to go back to occupy areas where Isis has retreated,” said Monzer Akbik, a spokesman for the Syrian Opposition Coalition.
“It’s not so much that Assad is taking advantage of the strikes themselves, but that his forces have been able to continue carrying out air strikes of their own despite coalition aircraft occupying their airspace,” argued Charles Lister of the Brookings Doha Centre. “Isis has been an isolated force within the wider Syrian conflict dynamic for so long that strikes focused on their positions have not significantly affected any one side, as yet.”
Politically, it is a different story. “It is undeniable that Assad benefits in many ways from the anti-Isis campaign,” said Hokayem. “His own attacks and atrocities have received less attention. He cultivates ambiguity about coordination with the international coalition and benefits from the disarray and frustration among rebel forces and their sympathisers; the defection of some rebel units to Isis helps him portray all rebels as extremists.
“Obama said a few weeks ago that the US had no strategy yet to fight Isis. It seems there is still no strategy because the Syria component is missing. The US has adopted a narrow, counter-terrorism approach that is flawed and counter-productive, and has time after time ignored and denigrated its potential Syrian allies.”
Re: Pitfalls of yet another U.S. war on Muslims
the fact is US is greedy and you support their cause.
i support ISIS being bombed, i support TTP being bombed.
you support TTP being bombed because this saves your precious behind from violence and anarchy, but you dont support ISIS being bombed - after all they are far away, your hukkah paani isnt affected.
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I'm on holiday in Istanbul right now, and it's really heart breaking to see Syrian refugees begging on the streets and in the tourist areas. You can really tell the Turks are not happy about it and are frustrated.