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So PTI govt is responsible for yesterday's events? OK but does it mean PMLQ/PPP/ANP/JUIF were responsible for events of last 9 years or so?
Emotions running high but I just cannot believe I've witnessed this insane anger at IK individually (not even at PTI). Wishing for peace is the biggest crime in this country it seems. Yesterday he did not call those calling for operations as anti-peace. He does not doubt their intentions then why do we doubt his? In face of sternest criticism and slogans, this guy went to hospital, heard chants against himself (probably for the first time in his life) and yet he came to face people.
bhai logo we brought this war on ourselves. Now we can continue to do what we have been doing since last 9-10 years.
OR we need to bring the elements who want dialogues on table and separate them from the ones who do not want to give up weapons in anyway. That's the only way forward.
Our tribal belt has a dodgy history BUT We need to trust them & regain their trust to do the job. THEY know who's who in those areas. Anyone who knows even a single person from tribal areas will vouch for that. A relatively small-ish swat operation displaced millions. Who is gonna bear the fallout of a full fledged army operation for YEARS to come? And what has Army been doing since last 9 years IF not operations?
Army/agencies have to let go of its 'strategist assets' too they have so dearly used for their gains.
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btw right now whatever Fed Gov wants to do better do it fast. Rather than signing pointless MoUs abroad, all efforts should be concentrated for this very cause. 'Terrorism efforts to reduce growing threats by Taliban, LeJ, ASWJ'
Trust me, whatever course of action that will be taken is not gonna prove successful until & unless this nonsensical media leaves its ways. It will not be happy either with dialogue OR operation. So better get used to hear only negative whatever happens.
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So PTI govt is responsible for yesterday's events? OK but does it mean PMLQ/PPP/ANP/JUIF were responsible for events of last 9 years or so?
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Err wasn't the whole modus ope***** of PTI to say that we are the "tsunami" that will wash away the sins of all the parties you mentioned so I guess that they were held responsible for the events on their watch?
Tum niralay bhee sahih niralay ho! I guess that the idolization of party leadership hasn't stopped in PTI either. As for why imran is getting criticized, look at your own leader who said that good or bad, just give "me" a chance. PTI barring asad umar or arif alvi fielded very weak and dubious characters from other parties but the mantra was that just vote them in to get imran (change). First, lets sort this out before I talk about imran's comparison of taliban to ira etc since he likes to quote the british while calling other people "brown sahib".
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Err wasn't the whole modus ope***** of PTI to say that we are the "tsunami" that will wash away the sins of all the parties you mentioned so I guess that they were held responsible for the events on their watch?
Tum niralay bhee sahih niralay ho! I guess that the idolization of party leadership hasn't stopped in PTI either. As for why imran is getting criticized, look at your own leader who said that good or bad, just give "me" a chance. PTI barring asad umar or arif alvi fielded very weak and dubious characters from other parties but the mantra was that just vote them in to get imran (change). First, lets sort this out before I talk about imran's comparison of taliban to ira etc since he likes to quote the british while calling other people "brown sahib".
Let me just put one thing straight here Yes security incidents happening during PTI's reign IS PTI's responsibility at the end. but wanting to negotiate to give up weapons is NOT IK's wish only. PMLN has been saying that since a while too and has changes its stance many times in the past few years but IK never did. I myself have reservations on whether proper SOPs were followed in providing security to the church and some other. But to blame IK with such rage for wanting something different from what we have been doing in the past in dealing with terrorists to dialogue is unfair to say the least.
I am not a blind follower. These forums are filled with my criticism of PTI's policies and initiatives. and I see that you have read NFP's article regarding brown sahib.. lets not derail the thread, open another thread or leave this for another day.
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^^^
People make IK responsible because he has no vision and intelligence about these 'Maut ke saudagar". He is only focused on appeasing these animals, which makes him incompetent controversial politician. When it comes to Taliban affair I see no difference between him, Maulana Fazlur-Rehman and NS.
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Let me just put one thing straight here Yes security incidents happening during PTI's reign IS PTI's responsibility at the end. but wanting to negotiate to give up weapons is NOT IK's wish only. PMLN has been saying that since a while too and has changes its stance many times in the past few years but IK never did. I myself have reservations on whether proper SOPs were followed in providing security to the church and some other. But to blame IK with such rage for wanting something different from what we have been doing in the past in dealing with terrorists to dialogue is unfair to say the least.
I am not a blind follower. These forums are filled with my criticism of PTI's policies and initiatives. and I see that you have read NFP's article regarding brown sahib.. lets not derail the thread, open another thread or leave this for another day.
I am sorry but IK wants to negotiate with these animals even after the events of the last few days. They have slapped the peace negotiations in his face and all he can say is that it is due to the drone attacks. Come on he will have to do better than that. Imran's policy of sucking up to the TTP is a total failure, these animals only understand one language. How many more people he wants killed before he changes his mind. What happened under the previous administrations time was a failure and they were punished for that at the polls, so we cant and shouldn't hide behind those incident. what has PTI done or what initiatives have they taken to address the issue apart from appeasing these animals. Any policy statement?
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Welcome to third world democracies. 100 days and wrist slitters are out like worms and frogs after a monsoon rain.
Wouldn't be nice if every once in a while noisy skeptics actually equipped their shallow selves with some local knowledge to talk about issues instead settling same old same old same old political scores over an individual? It's getting boring. PTI government in 100 days has laid down the foundation of a progressive welfare state. For a man PTI who's in power for the first time in country most troublesome and backward province, PTI is already on par Clement Atlee's game changing post WWII government that transformed Britain forever. Yes there is change but chances are if you blinded by personal vendettas and hate for an individual, you probably will never be able to go beyond that. As far as terrorism is concerned, it's not a local issue. Are you really gonna argue otherwise?
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I am sorry but IK wants to negotiate with these animals even after the events of the last few days. They have slapped the peace negotiations in his face and all he can say is that it is due to the drone attacks. Come on he will have to do better than that. Imran's policy of sucking up to the TTP is a total failure, these animals only understand one language. How many more people he wants killed before he changes his mind. What happened under the previous administrations time was a failure and they were punished for that at the polls, so we cant and shouldn't hide behind those incident. **what has PTI done or what initiatives have they taken to address the issue **apart from appeasing these animals. Any policy statement?
Development of high security special anti terrorist jail is already underway and I'd think that'd be the most essential one. Has Punjab or previous KPK taken such initiatives after numerous jail breaks and high profile escaped happened under their rule?
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Development of high security special anti terrorist jail is already underway and I'd think that'd be the most essential one. Has Punjab or previous KPK taken such initiatives after numerous jail breaks and high profile escaped happened under their rule?
is that all, while they are building this jail which I dont know how long it will take to complete from which escape might not be possible how many more people are going to die, are there any short term initiatives? or is their a brain drain in PTI on this issue.
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I am sorry but IK wants to negotiate with these animals even after the events of the last few days. They have slapped the peace negotiations in his face and all he can say is that it is due to the drone attacks. Come on he will have to do better than that. Imran's policy of sucking up to the TTP is a total failure, these animals only understand one language. How many more people he wants killed before he changes his mind. What happened under the previous administrations time was a failure and they were punished for that at the polls, so we cant and shouldn't hide behind those incident. what has PTI done or what initiatives have they taken to address the issue apart from appeasing these animals. Any policy statement?
Ehsan bhai, THIS is the stand that he has taken all these years. Rather than going back to the policies already failed in last 9 years by previous govts, why not try something like this? If it doesn't work, we can always go on waging already waged war? This is the policy statement that has been on their manifesto.
"Imran Khan added that if peace is to be given a chance, then it is essential to isolate those who are dedicated to an agenda of violence and to carrying out terror attacks against innocent people, from those who are prepared to have a ceasefire and talk peace within the ambit of the Constitution of Pakistan."
However, provincial govt needs to escalate security measures like never before. There are unconfirmed reports that there was intelligence report of an attack. If its true, then I would ask for CM KPK's resignation.
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Welcome to third world democracies. 100 days and wrist slitters are out like worms and frogs after a monsoon rain.
Wouldn't be nice if every once in a while noisy skeptics actually equipped their shallow selves with some local knowledge to talk about issues instead settling same old same old same old political scores over an individual? It's getting boring. PTI government in 100 days has laid down the foundation of a progressive welfare state. For a man PTI who's in power for the first time in country most troublesome and backward province, PTI is already on par Clement Atlee's game changing post WWII government that transformed Britain forever. Yes there is change but chances are if you blinded by personal vendettas and hate for an individual, you probably will never be able to go beyond that. As far as terrorism is concerned, it's not a local issue. Are you really gonna argue otherwise?
Try and stay away from personal attacks and talk about issues. PTI supporters are fast becoming the new jiylas in Pakistan. Talking about personal vendetta and hatred when you dont even know me. For your information I supported PTI in the last election, so stay on the issues instead of gettting personal.
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^^^
People make IK responsible because he has no vision and intelligence about these 'Maut ke saudagar". He is only focused on appeasing these animals, which makes him incompetent controversial politician. When it comes to Taliban affair I see no difference between him, Maulana Fazlur-Rehman and NS.
There is a difference. Fazlu wants complete pardon for all factions of TTP considering them innocent and claiming they never did anything.
whereas IK has never called them innocent. However has always opposed drones and labelled them as one reason for militancy. H
e has always called for dialogues with those who want a ceasefire maintaining that 'Military solution should be part of a BIGGER political settlement'. You will never hear this from Fazlu.
Difference unn k liye hayn jo dekhna chahte hayn.
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is that all, while they are building this jail which I dont know how long it will take to complete from which escape might not be possible how many more people are going to die, are there any short term initiatives? or is their a brain drain in PTI on this issue.
What do you mean is that all? They've been in power for only hundred days for goodness sake.
This incident happened just a day days ago, I'd be worried if they come with 'initiatives' and strategies in mere 12 hours time. This is not how things work in a democracy. It's absolutely absurd to have such extremely unreasonable expectations. Even in most developed countries such attitude would be laughed at.
Maybe a better way to fill a brain drain would be actually question that despite Rs 550 billion defence budget, truck load of American aid, not a single credible anti terrorism initiative and development has been taken by military or the governments of both past and present in last 9 years. Why did it take party who's never been in power to finally build a high security anti terrorism jail?
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What do you mean is that all? They've been in power for only hundred days for goodness sake.
This incident happened just a day days ago, I'd be worried if they come with 'initiatives' and strategies in mere 12 hours time. This is not how things work in a democracy. It's absolutely absurd to have such extremely unreasonable expectations. Even in most developed countries such attitude would be laughed at.
Maybe a better way to fill a brain drain would be actually question that 550 billion dollar defence budget, truck load of American aid yet not a single credible anti terrorism initiatives and development have been taken by military or the government of both past and present. Why did it party who's never been in power to finally build a high security anti terrorism jail?
Taleban attacks are only 12 hours old in KPK. That is news to me. You have policies before you fight an election, you bring those policies to the people and that is what they vote for and that is what happens in democracies. They dont sit around and let people get massacred and than think "oh we will build a high security jail".
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Try and stay away from personal attacks and talk about issues. PTI supporters are fast becoming the new jiylas in Pakistan. Talking about personal vendetta and hatred when you dont even know me. For your information I supported PTI in the last election, so stay on the issues instead of gettting personal.
lol...That post wasn't for you.
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Taleban attacks are only 12 hours old in KPK. That is news to me. You have policies before you fight an election, you bring those policies to the people and that is what they vote you for and that is what happens in democracies. They dont sit around and let people get massacred and than think "oh we will build a high security jail".
PTI brought their policies on table and people voted from them. Where's the challenge? Isn't it because of their policies that they emerged as the second biggest party in Pakistan? No they didn't sit around, PTI set an example of how and in what manner you learn from your mistakes.
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PTI brought their policies on table and people voted from them. Where's the challenge? Isn't it because of their policies that they emerged as the second biggest party on Pakistan? No they didn't sit around, PTI set an example of how and in what manner you learn from your mistakes.
Isn't PPP still the second biggest party?
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Isn't PPP still the second biggest party?
In terms of vote bank, its PTI.