Pashtuns in Karachi Unite

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*Said Akbar the Afghan who was blamed to have killed Liaqat Ali Khan had escaped to Hindustan along with his family in 1946 after a conspiracy against the govt of Afghanistan. In Hindustan, he was living under the protection of British governmentm which gave him and his elder brother, Zmarak Khan, regular salaries. *

Pakistan continued these salaries after the departure of British.

Immediately after the death of Liaqat Ali Khan, Said Akbar was also killed. Begum Rana Liaqat Ali Khan urged an impartial inquiry into his death but to no avails. Three inquiries were held; one by a Muhajir Itazazuddin who later was killed mysteriously in a plane crash; the other by Justice Mohammad Munir upon instruction from Khwaja Nazimuddin; and the third one by Scotlandyard upon instruction from Mohammad Ali Bogra. Neither of these inquiries saw the light of the day.

"Blamed?" Hah, that khinzeer was the lone gunman. What you are typing are all the lies parroted out by the Afghan Ministry to cover themselves. If you have a non Afghan source for that, then prove it..

I think killing Said Akbar was a big mistake because he died a relatively quick death..that Pashtun deserved to be tortured and his body should have been dismembered. Only then could we have avenged the murder of our great leader.

The police officer Najaf Khan at that occassion was later promoted instead of being punished for failing to protect Liaqat Ali Khan.

It does not matter. A Pashtun gunman killed the second greatest leader of Pakistan, that is the bottom line. You are malking excuses.

Most of the authors have blamed the killing of Liaqat Ali Khan on Punjabi bureaucracy and fudals e.g. Ghulam Mohammad, Mushtaq Ahmad Gormani, Iftikhar Hussain Mamdot, etc. Tension was running high between Liaqat Ali Khan and Punjabi bureaucrats and newly emerged mecantile classes who had blamed Liaqat Ali Khan of pro-Muhajir policies and of trying to control Punjab through fudals like Mumtaz Daulatana etc. Liaqat Ali Khan had decided to replace Ghulam Mohammad with Abdul Rab Nishtar at the center.

Doesn't matter who was behind it. A PASHTUN pulled the trigger. If he had more of an imaan, he could not have done that to another Muslim. If a Punjabi had done the same, I would be saying the same thing. Funny how you bring up Abdur Rab Nishtar, a Pashtun of the Kakar tribe, who was supported by Liaquat Ali Khan, only to be SHOT through the heart by another Pashtun. Wah, what a great payback by Pashtuns.

But the same Liaqat Ali Khan is blamed to have expedited the death of Qaud-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jannah, the first GREAT leader of Pakistan. Fatima Jannah writes in "My Brother":

"I was sitting with Qaud-i-Azam when I came to know that Prime Minister Liaqat Ali Khan and Secretary General Choudri Mohammad Ali want to meet him. Qaud-i-Azam" smiled and said "Fiti you know why has he (Liaqat Ali Khan) come to meet me? He wants to know how severe is my illness and how long can I live more"

What are you trying to prove? That Liaquat Ali Khan was dishonest? Or Power hungry? If he was dishonest then how much money did he leave behind after being shaheed by that Pashtun? If he wanted power, he could've stayed a Nawab or if he wanted fame, he could have stayed a lawyer (Oxford educated).

How dare you try to denigrate the man whose last words were "Pakistan Zindabad" and "There is no God but One, and Mohammad is his Prophet'' only to protect that *&!@#%? I take it very personally.

Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, and Sindhis rendered greater sacrifices for freedom both in terms of human loss and politically.

I see. So Bengalis, Pashtuns, and Sindhis were migrating on those trains full of blood? Having their women raped, children kidnapped during the partition? I am not here to judge peoples pain. I think all have suffered for Pakistan, there is NO way you can prove that one group suffered the greatest during the creation of Pakistan.

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farguru:

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1. Ayub shifted the capital from Karachi to Punjab, creating a new city close to his place of birth and away from the political elite olf that time which included bengalese.
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Shifting of capital from Karachi was a very sad decision for Karachi and for Sindh. It severely affected Bengalis as well. Not only were Karachiites unhappy on this decision, but also Bengalis.
However, to keep the record straight, Islamabad was not chosen because it was closer to Ayyub's birthplace. The site was chosen because of GHQ in Rawalpindi.

Pakistan army has always wanted to keep politics and politicians in their pockets.

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I will not defend General Akbar Khan. I consider him as well as General Babur who killed innocent Muhajirs a disgrace to Pashtuns. I don't like Pashtuns associated with/serving establishment. But we should think logically i.e.

How many Muhajirs killed Pashtun leaders? Please answer that.

Please don't even try to bring up the Muhajir-Pashtun episodes of Karachi. I am talking about LEADERS.

**Why the inquiries into the death of Liaqat Ali Khan didn't see the light of the day? Who it were that didn't like the disclosure or success of these inquiries?*

If the conspiracy was Non-Pashtun, then why did a Pashtun kill LAQ? Please tell me.

**Who benefited from Liaqat's death?*

The Military comprised of Punjabis and yes Pashtuns. What percentage of the military is Muhajir? It is a miracle of Allah that people like Musharraf were able to make to the upper ranks of the military, even then he has try rely on the Punjabi-Pashtun leadership for survival.

You should also read some books like "Death of Pakistan's Democracy" and some other sources, etc.

You should try not insult the legacy of Liaquat Ali Khan with biased sources and innuendo. The man was a good Muslim, who gave up much more for Pakistan then the "so-called" later leaders of Pakistan.

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True Ayub Khan claimed Pashtun ancestory but had adopted Punjabi Culture and language and thus had greater affinity with Punjab. His support-base was Punjabi-Muhajir civil/military bureaucracy, politicians, commercial classes, and administrative machinary and his personal ambitions could have been served only by an alliance with these ruling structures. There is nothing to prove that he did anything substantial for Pashtuns.

Ok so if Ayub Khan is not Pashtun, then why do you guys claim Abdul Qadir Khan as one of your own? His family was from Bhopal, India, he is an urdu speaker. I see how selective it gets.

The ascendance of Muhajir community to the privelged status was not just due to its more-developed human-resource although it must be accepted that Muhajirs were comparatively better-educated and skilled. Responsible also were other factors, e.g.

Good to see you concede that point.

1. Qaud-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jannah and in particular Liaqat Ali Khan had left their political constituencies in Hindustan and had been re-elected to the constitution-making assembly of Pakistan on the provincial quota of Bangal (East Pakistan). Liaqat Ali Khan in particualr was very ambitious and wanted to play a bigger role in the newly established country. For this purpose, he wanted to have his own political constituency. He settled a lot of Muhajirs in Karachi to build a constituency for himself. He even reserved a speial 15% quota for "azimeen-i-Hijrat" (Muslims that were still in India but intended to migrate to Pakistan) in federal jobs to spur migration. It is said migration of Urdu-speakers to Pakistan had slowed down towards the end of 1948 but witnessed a sharp ascent during 1949-50 due to Liaqat's pro-Muhajir policies.

Do you think that was unfair? Muhajirs constituted the vast majority of Muslim representation in the Indian Civil Service in pre-partition India. They had the skills as bureaucrats and had the experience dealing with different groups of people.

Do you deny the role of Muhajirs in the Pakistan movement? Let us revisit pre-partition NWFP where Bacha Khan and his Khudai Khidmatgars were allied with Congress. Lets face it: NWFP voted for Pakistan because of it's people, on the basis of Islam. It is fair to say that the option of Pakistan was handed to the Pashtun populace on a platter to vote on. The grass roots Pakistan movement was amongst the lower-middle classes of India. I am not downplaying the few good Pashtun leaders but what type of grass roots support did they have compared to Bacha Khan?

The final thing I have to say is that these discussions are being framed under divisive ethnic lines, something that I am not happy about, but do not fear engaging in either. Muhajirs as a group are very different from Pakistanis because of their backgrounds, experiences etc. To downplay Muhajir success when education, comparatively liberal family structures have contributed to the success in Pakistan and abroad. The rise of Muhajir nationalism is a DIRECT result of the treatment by other Pakistani ethnicities. Look at this message board and the lies, insults thrown at Muhajirs.

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It sickens me how some Pak Pashthuns like to make excuses and conspiracy theories to cover up for the Afghan murderer who killed Liaquet Ali Khan... Its clear where their loyalty lies.

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that’s true.

Hear, hear! :k:

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Great posts The Hustler25. You have really nailed the issue, especially the root cause of Muhajir nationalism.

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If an overflowing ethnic patriotism is forcing us to
elevate certain personalities of the partition-politics to the level of
prophets and angels, that is another point but the fact is,
conspiracies, power stuggle, and conflicts did occur. And all this was
driven more by personal ambitions and ethnic aspirations than any
broader sense of patriotism or vision. The reasons are obvious. At the
time of partition, the only dominent communities were Muhajirs and
Punjabis each with an overwhelming bureaucratic representation, a
sizeable skilled and educated urban middle class, and suffuciently
developed commercial and capitalist classes. In addition to it, both,
in particular Muhajirs, had effective/prominent political figures as
leaders. Baluchis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns were weak and although
Bangalis were politically aware but were weak in other aspects.

At the same time, Pakistan was a newly-established state undergoing
large scale and rapid expansion in institutional extension,
administrative structures, financial/industrial sectors,
infra-structural development, and almost every other aspect of
state-building. There were immense opportunities for employment,
resource grabing, wealth accumulation, acquisition of political and
administrative powers, and cultural expression/assertion. And Muhajirs
and Punjabis were the only competitors. One can well imagine the
intense clash that ensued especially when both had sizeable urban
middle classes wanting power and prosperity. They also had the support
of print media. Punjabi interests were propagated by Nawai Waqt, Imroz,
Pakistan Times, and Civil and Military Gazzettier of Punjab (foremost
Nawai Waqt ) and that of Muhajirs by Dawn and other newspapers.

Muhajir leadership was in the hands of Liaqat Ali Khan, Choudri
Khaliq-u-Zamman and others. Liaqat Ali Khan was concerned with
consolidating his power. And this he could do by building his own
Muhajir-based constituency and expanding his political influence into
the powerful province of the Punjab. As his background was fudal and
had connections with fudals of West Punjab from the days before
partition, he tried to reign in and control Punjab through old unionist
fudals like Mumtaz Daulatana, Mohammad Khan Laghari, etc. This greatly
antagonized Iftikhar Hussain Khan Mamdot, Mian Iftikharudin, Mian Abdul
Bari, Mushtaq Ahmad Gormani, Malik Ghulam Mohammad, and others who
considered these moves of Liaqat Ali Khan a deliberate effort to divide
Punjab's leadership, weaken Punjab, deprive Punjab of its share in
administrative machinary and state's assets/enterprises, and retain
power and wealth in his Muhajir constituency. Later, Hussain Shaheed
Suharwardi, a stauch Liaqat adversary, also joined Punjabi junta to
support Punjab cause. Suharwardi, although a Bangali, had settled in
Lahore. Actually, he wanted to promote himself. Fatima Jannah also had
grudges against Liaqat Ali Khan, whom she considered to have negelected
her brother's illness. Liaqat Ali Khan had Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar,
Mumtaz Daulatana, Khwaja Nazimuddin (an old adversary of Hussain
Shaheed Suharwardi) his side.

Choudri Khaliquzaman interfered in factionalism within Punbjab Muslim
League so much that Nawai Waqt called him the meanest character of
politics. How much was Nawai Waqt, a representative newspaper of
Punjabi nationalism, against Liaqat Ali Khan can be gauged from the
fact that this nespaper in its editorials and articles blamed Liaqat
Ali Khan of destroying Punjab. It didn't even spare Rana Liaqat Ali
Khan, ridiculing her and passing scathing remarks about prime minister
and his wife.
For example, in January 1951, Liaqat Ali Khan delayed his program to
participate in Commonwealth Conference because some of the Common
Wealth members were not ready to put Kashmir problem on agenda.
Actually, people of Central Punjab thought that by accepting ceasfire
in Kashmir in 1949, Liaqat Ali Khan had betrayed Kashmiris and had lost
an opportunity to liberate Kashmir. On January 4, 1951, Nawai Waqt
wrote about this delay:

"Jin dino Liaqat Ali Khan London janai sai inkar farma kar apnai mulk
ka wiqar buland kar rahai thai, inhi dino karachi ki aik Tailoring Firm
muhtarama baigam sahiba kai lia aik shandar far ka coat tayar kar rahi
thi, jo khalis London mai isthimal kai liyai banwaya ja raha tha, jab
yai kot thayar ho kar Baigam Sahiba kai khidmath mai baija giya, tho
aap nai usai pasand na farmaya, awar kuch naqais nikalai, chunanchai
munasib islah karakai kot dubara hazirai khidmat kiya gaya, magar is
marthaba bi sharfi pasandeedagi na bakhsha giya awar dubaba wapas kiya
gaya, idhar yai kot prime minister house sai tailoring firm awar
tailoring firm sai prime minister house fasila thai kar raha tha, idhar
Mr. Liaqat Ali har rooz apni booking mansookh karkai dusrai din kai
liyai arazi booking kar rahai thai, yai hamarai waham guman mai bi nahi
askti thi, magar baaz gusthakh yai bi andaza laga rahai hain kai safrai
London mai jo taqwiq hoi, ismai tailoring firm ka kitna qasoor hai
...arazi booking awar tansikh awar tansikh awar arazi booking kai barai
mai aik awar latifa sunyai, iskai rawi Karachi kai aik akhbari reporter
hain, aik awrat Sadar karachim mai tram mai dakhil hoi, magar baitnai
sai pihlai uthar gayi, tram chalnai laga tho us nai phir ishara kiya
awar dubara sawar ho gayi, magar tram chalnai sai pihlai phir nichai
uthar gayi, is par tram walai nai kaha, wah bihan aap tho bilkul Liaqat
Ali ban gayai hain".

This may be the cheapest remarks ever passed against a prime minister
by a newspaper. More insulting were the remarks in the edition of Nawai
Waqt, January 17, 1951. It wrote:

" suntai hain kai jab London sai wazir Azam kai liyai bulawa aaya, thu
unhun nai pihlai is pai ghawar kiya pir hawaz kiya, pir sham ko ghar ja
kar apni Baigam sai is kai mutaliq un ka khyal daryaft kiya, Baigam
Sahiba nai buhut soch bichar kai baad farmaya 'khyal tu naik hai, zara
thabdili aabu hawa, thabdili ghiza, awar thabdili khyalath bi hu jayai
gi, bachai bi ghom lain gai, Wazir Azam nai kaha buhuth khub thu pir
kiya jawab dhun Mr. Atlay ko? Baigam nai farmaya 'bas yahi kai aap ka
bulawa hamai manzoor, hamarai khuda ko manzoor, hamarai bachoon ko
manzoor', shawhar nai kaha 'laikin awam ko?', jawab mila, 'ju aap ko
manzoor wu awam ko bhi charoon khont manzoor, bhala aap phir mahbub
wazir azam kahan kai hoyai, jab aap ki manzoori awam ko namanzoor na ho,
awar aap ko awam ki manzoori hasil karni pharai"

These inflamatory remarks about Liaqat and Rana Ali Khan, Prime
Minister and Mrs. Prime Minister of Pakistan, indicated how hostile and
rebellious had Punjabi Chauvinism become and how much its mouth-piece
i.e. Nawai Waqth voilated principles of fair journalism
to insult prime minister Liaqat Ali Khan and Rana Liaqat Ali Khan.
But Liaqat Ali Khan also had dictatorial tendencies. On October 8, in
his address to League Council meeting at Karachi, reported by Dawn
October 9, 1950, he said:

"Now the importance of League Council is greater than the parliament.
Therefore anything said here should be according to the dignity and
status of this council. I have said before and this has been my belief
that not only the existence of League but also its power is equal to
the existence and power of Pakistan. As for I am concerned, I decided
in the beginning and now I repeat my decision that I always considered
myself the prime minister of League. I never considered myself the
elected prime minister of constitution-making assembly. The day I knew
I lost confidence of League, that day you will see I will not be Prime
Minister of Pakistan".

This statement explains why democracy couldn't flourish in Pakistan.
Liaqat Ali Khan also called Hussain Shaheed Suharwardi, his political
enemy, a dog and a traitor.

Iftikhar Hussain Mamdot and Suharwardi who had formed their own
factions of Muslim League called Jannah Muslim League and Awami Muslim
League respectively joined hands by merging their leagues in Jannah
Awami Muslim League against the Sarkari Muslim League of Liaqat Ali
Khan. In May 1951, elections were held in Punjab which were heavily
rigged in favor of Sarkari Muslim League. Consequently, Sarkari Muslim
League of Liaqat Ali Khan secured 140 seats and Jannah Awami Muslim
League of his opponents, Mamdot and Suharwardi, secured 32 seats. This
further aflamed anti-Liaqat sentiments in Punjab. Nawai Waqt continued
insidiary articles against Liaqat Ali Khan. Therefore its registeration
was cancelled. But its management started publishing it under the name
of "Jehad", which was also banned later. Amrat Press that published
Nawai Waqt was also closed down. Before that, Liaqat Ali Khan had
enforced Governer Raj in Punjab.

Liaqat Ali Khan had consolidated his power in Council Muslim League by
having Sarkari Muslim League win the election in Punjab. As actually
Ghulam Mohammad and Mushtaq Ahmad Gormani were running anti-Liaqat and
anti-Muhajir campaign in the center and in Punjab province, he sought
to replace Ghulam Mohammad with Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar.
Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar was against Gormani-Ghulam Mohammad collusion
in the center. Liaqat Ali Khan before his assasination had asked Ghulam
Mohammad to resign because his health was poor and he couldn't run
ministry. Ghulam Mohammad requested the postponement of his resignation
for a few days. That had been granted so he went to stay at Rawapindi.
On October 16, 1951, Liaqat Ali Khan was assasinated in Rawalpindi
while addressing a public meeting. At that time, Ghulam Mohammad,
Mushtaq Gormani, Khwaja Shahabudin, Khan Qayum, Choudri Sir Zafarullah
Khan, and Saradar Bahadar Khan were also present in Rawalpindi. These
leaders held a closed-door meeting in Rawalpindi to which Sardar Abdur
Rab Nishtar wasn't allowed. In that meeting, Ghulam Mohammad was made
Governer General and Khwaja Nazimudin, Prime Minister. This had been
done before the dead body of Liaqat Ali Khan had been placed in
aeroplane for transportation to Karachi.

On 18 May, 1951, "Jehad", new newspaper after Nawai Waqt was banned,
had written that:

"The idea of achieving political objective through voilence is very
injurious and dangerous for the country and nation...This tactic didn't
benefit any democratic country...Example of Iran is before us. Prime
Minister Razam Ali was murdered because he was blamed for neglecting
and betraying interests of the country but now Prime Minister Mussadiq
has the same worry that he might face the same consequences...The
weakness and backwardness of many countries is due to this
reason...Sometimes Prime Minister of one country is murdured and
sometimes that of another....For this democracy should be promoted
along proper lines and dictatorial tendencies should be discouraged".

Zahid Choudri says this was directed at Prime Minister Liaqat Ali Khan.

Anyhow, matters between bureaucracy representing interests of Punjab
and Liaqat Ali Khan, representing interests of Muhajirs, had worsoned
to the point of no return.

In this clash, Ghulam Mohammad and other bureaucrats and political
personalities of Punjab came out victorious. Had Liaqat Ali Khan
succeeded, what would been the shape of the political system in
Pakistan? One thing is clear that he also had dictatorial tendencies as
well his comrades like Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar who believed, there
should be only one party system in the country.

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Nawabzada Liaqat Ali Khan was blamed to allott cinemas and factories left behind by
Hindus and Sikhs to his relatives from Karnal and Ambala. e.g.

*Reegal Cinema Lahore allotted to Nawabzada Liaqat Ali Khan and
Nawabzadi Baigam Mumtaz Hassan Khan
*Ritz Cinema Lahore allotted to Nawabzada Rahid Ali Khan
*Plaza Cinema allotted to Mr. Ali Akbar
*Sardar Carbolic Gas Company Rawalpindi...Nawabzada Rashid Ali Khan
*Ice factories in Lahore, Shiekhopura, and Multan allotted to Nawabzada
Ihsan Ali Khan, Nawabzada Sadaqat Ali Khan, Nawabzada Fayaz Ali Khan,
Nawabzada Wilayat Ali Khan, and Nawabzada Mohammad Izhar baig

source: "Political History of Pakistan"...by Zahid Choudri

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Again the same lies being spread here on the forum that I often see in person within my Urdu People community.

There are many assumption of this theory that somehow MQM is the result of oppression committed by Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis. This is not true at all.

The proof is in the pudding. Look at Pakistani UP community and compare it with our cousins in UP and Bihar.

  1. UP community in the hands of Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis = Most prosperous community in South Asia.

  2. UP community in the hands of Bharatis = the Poorest community in South Asia

I mean don't just look at the media. Go visit the god-awful places called UP and Bihar. Then a simple math would show that Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis have been the greatest allies (directly or indirectly) of the UP community.

As I said earlier, proof is in the pudding or the Kheer.

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Thats a faulty premise for an argument antiobl. The Indians in the US tend to have the highest average income among any ethnic group. Compared to that the Indians in India are still far way off. It does not mean the US has been extra kind to them or that they are mistreated in India. The reason behind this is most of the Indians in the US are among the brightest and well trained and thus are able to do well. Similarly most of the Indian muslims that migrated to Pakistan were among the upper and upper middle class, urban and were the most educated and the brightest whereas the rural and poor population stayed back in India.

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Double post. Sorry.

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If an overflowing ethnic patriotism is forcing us to **
*elevate certain personalities of the partition-politics to the level of *
*prophets and angels, that is another point but the fact is, *
*conspiracies, power stuggle, and conflicts did occur. And all this was *
*driven more by personal ambitions and ethnic aspirations than any *
*broader sense of patriotism or vision. The reasons are obvious. At the *
*time of partition, the only dominent communities were Muhajirs and *
*Punjabis each with an overwhelming bureaucratic representation, a *
*sizeable skilled and educated urban middle class, and suffuciently *
*developed commercial and capitalist classes. In addition to it, both, *
*in particular Muhajirs, had effective/prominent political figures as *
*leaders. Baluchis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns were weak and although *
**Bangalis were politically aware but were weak in other aspects.

Oh please save the overflowing ethnic patriotism speech. On this very message board, how many Pashtuns have elevated Bacha Khan, compared him to Gandhi? This VERY thread is the very example of Pashtun ethnic patriotism! You just don't like the Muhajir REACTION to this.

Talking about Punjabis is one thing, now your picking on one of the smallest ethnic groups of Pakistan. Remember, Muhajirs don't have a "home province," Muhajirs are not calling for Sindh to be renamed Muhajiristan. You cannot vilify a community that migrated to Pakistan, families valued education and were urbanized from the time of the formation of Pakistan.

I am not here to talk about the superiority of muhajirs but the truth is that they had the experience of bureacracy, education etc., at a time when Pashtuns were divided tribals (and to this day that continues) fighting the Mughals then the Brits. I agree that the Muhajir leadership was effective, but the average person was effective as well. Do you deny that the removal of the quota system will most benefit the Muhajir community due to their literacy levels and the tradition of bureacratic service?

At the same time, Pakistan was a newly-established state undergoing **
*large scale and rapid expansion in institutional extension, *
*administrative structures, financial/industrial sectors, *
*infra-structural development, and almost every other aspect of *
*state-building. There were immense opportunities for employment, *
*resource grabing, wealth accumulation, acquisition of political and *
*administrative powers, and cultural expression/assertion. And Muhajirs *
*and Punjabis were the only competitors. One can well imagine the *
*intense clash that ensued especially when both had sizeable urban *
*middle classes wanting power and prosperity. They also had the support *
*of print media. Punjabi interests were propagated by Nawai Waqt, Imroz, *
*Pakistan Times, and Civil and Military Gazzettier of Punjab (foremost *
**Nawai Waqt ) and that of Muhajirs by Dawn and other newspapers.

Please tell me what is the ratio of Muhajirs to Punjabis? The impact of the Muhajir community is immense, no THANKS to Punjabis, Pashtuns or whomever. Muhajirs worked hard from the bottom up. There were no 'tribes' or 'castes' or honor killings or daughters limited in education amongst Muhajirs. Whose fault is that?

Muhajir leadership was in the hands of Liaqat Ali Khan, Choudri **
*Khaliq-u-Zamman and others. Liaqat Ali Khan was concerned with *
*consolidating his power. And this he could do by building his own *
*Muhajir-based constituency and expanding his political influence into *
*the powerful province of the Punjab. As his background was fudal and *
*had connections with fudals of West Punjab from the days before *
*partition, he tried to reign in and control Punjab through old unionist *
*fudals like Mumtaz Daulatana, Mohammad Khan Laghari, etc. This greatly *
*antagonized Iftikhar Hussain Khan Mamdot, Mian Iftikharudin, Mian Abdul *
*Bari, Mushtaq Ahmad Gormani, Malik Ghulam Mohammad, and others who *
*considered these moves of Liaqat Ali Khan a deliberate effort to divide *
*Punjab's leadership, weaken Punjab, deprive Punjab of its share in *
*administrative machinary and state's assets/enterprises, and retain *
*power and wealth in his Muhajir constituency. Later, Hussain Shaheed *
*Suharwardi, a stauch Liaqat adversary, also joined Punjabi junta to *
*support Punjab cause. Suharwardi, although a Bangali, had settled in *
*Lahore. Actually, he wanted to promote himself. Fatima Jannah also had *
*grudges against Liaqat Ali Khan, whom she considered to have negelected *
*her brother's illness. Liaqat Ali Khan had Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, *
*Mumtaz Daulatana, Khwaja Nazimuddin (an old adversary of Hussain *
**Shaheed Suharwardi) his side.

Oxford educated lawyer, he was brilliant nonetheless. Your attempts to vilify him do not stand to the realities of his contributions to the Pakistan movements as the lieutenant of Quaid e Azam. WHY did a PASHTUN kill him?

What you are saying is slanderous against a true Muslim. I have yet to see you condemn that PASHTUN for killing the second greatest leader of Pakistan. The muhajir community was not even concentrated in the NWFP, what grudge or PROBLEM could L.A.K cause for the PASHTUNS? Particularly after you have acknowledged his support of Abdur Rab Nishtar?

Choudri Khaliquzaman interfered in factionalism within Punbjab Muslim **
*League so much that Nawai Waqt called him the meanest character of *
*politics. How much was Nawai Waqt, a representative newspaper of *
*Punjabi nationalism, against Liaqat Ali Khan can be gauged from the *
*fact that this nespaper in its editorials and articles blamed Liaqat *
*Ali Khan of destroying Punjab. It didn't even spare Rana Liaqat Ali *
*Khan, ridiculing her and passing scathing remarks about prime minister *
*and his wife. *
*For example, in January 1951, Liaqat Ali Khan delayed his program to *
*participate in Commonwealth Conference because some of the Common *
*Wealth members were not ready to put Kashmir problem on agenda. *
*Actually, people of Central Punjab thought that by accepting ceasfire *
*in Kashmir in 1949, Liaqat Ali Khan had betrayed Kashmiris and had lost *
*an opportunity to liberate Kashmir. On January 4, 1951, Nawai Waqt *
**wrote about this delay:

"Jin dino Liaqat Ali Khan London janai sai inkar farma kar apnai mulk **
*ka wiqar buland kar rahai thai, inhi dino karachi ki aik Tailoring Firm *
*muhtarama baigam sahiba kai lia aik shandar far ka coat tayar kar rahi *
*thi, jo khalis London mai isthimal kai liyai banwaya ja raha tha, jab *
*yai kot thayar ho kar Baigam Sahiba kai khidmath mai baija giya, tho *
*aap nai usai pasand na farmaya, awar kuch naqais nikalai, chunanchai *
*munasib islah karakai kot dubara hazirai khidmat kiya gaya, magar is *
*marthaba bi sharfi pasandeedagi na bakhsha giya awar dubaba wapas kiya *
*gaya, idhar yai kot prime minister house sai tailoring firm awar *
*tailoring firm sai prime minister house fasila thai kar raha tha, idhar *
*Mr. Liaqat Ali har rooz apni booking mansookh karkai dusrai din kai *
*liyai arazi booking kar rahai thai, yai hamarai waham guman mai bi nahi *
*askti thi, magar baaz gusthakh yai bi andaza laga rahai hain kai safrai *
*London mai jo taqwiq hoi, ismai tailoring firm ka kitna qasoor hai *
*...arazi booking awar tansikh awar tansikh awar arazi booking kai barai *
*mai aik awar latifa sunyai, iskai rawi Karachi kai aik akhbari reporter *
*hain, aik awrat Sadar karachim mai tram mai dakhil hoi, magar baitnai *
*sai pihlai uthar gayi, tram chalnai laga tho us nai phir ishara kiya *
*awar dubara sawar ho gayi, magar tram chalnai sai pihlai phir nichai *
*uthar gayi, is par tram walai nai kaha, wah bihan aap tho bilkul Liaqat *
**Ali ban gayai hain".

This may be the cheapest remarks ever passed against a prime minister **
*by a newspaper. More insulting were the remarks in the edition of Nawai *
**Waqt, January 17, 1951. It wrote:

" suntai hain kai jab London sai wazir Azam kai liyai bulawa aaya, thu **
*unhun nai pihlai is pai ghawar kiya pir hawaz kiya, pir sham ko ghar ja *
*kar apni Baigam sai is kai mutaliq un ka khyal daryaft kiya, Baigam *
*Sahiba nai buhut soch bichar kai baad farmaya 'khyal tu naik hai, zara *
*thabdili aabu hawa, thabdili ghiza, awar thabdili khyalath bi hu jayai *
*gi, bachai bi ghom lain gai, Wazir Azam nai kaha buhuth khub thu pir *
*kiya jawab dhun Mr. Atlay ko? Baigam nai farmaya 'bas yahi kai aap ka *
*bulawa hamai manzoor, hamarai khuda ko manzoor, hamarai bachoon ko *
*manzoor', shawhar nai kaha 'laikin awam ko?', jawab mila, 'ju aap ko *
*manzoor wu awam ko bhi charoon khont manzoor, bhala aap phir mahbub *
*wazir azam kahan kai hoyai, jab aap ki manzoori awam ko namanzoor na ho, *
**awar aap ko awam ki manzoori hasil karni pharai"

These inflamatory remarks about Liaqat and Rana Ali Khan, Prime **
*Minister and Mrs. Prime Minister of Pakistan, indicated how hostile and *
*rebellious had Punjabi Chauvinism become and how much its mouth-piece *
*i.e. Nawai Waqth voilated principles of fair journalism *
*to insult prime minister Liaqat Ali Khan and Rana Liaqat Ali Khan. *
*But Liaqat Ali Khan also had dictatorial tendencies. On October 8, in *
*his address to League Council meeting at Karachi, reported by Dawn *
**October 9, 1950, he said:

*"Now the importance of League Council is greater than the parliament. *
*Therefore anything said here should be according to the dignity and *
*status of this council. I have said before and this has been my belief *
*that not only the existence of League but also its power is equal to *
*the existence and power of Pakistan. As for I am concerned, I decided *
*in the beginning and now I repeat my decision that I always considered *
*myself the prime minister of League. I never considered myself the *
*elected prime minister of constitution-making assembly. The day I knew *
*I lost confidence of League, that day you will see I will not be Prime *
*Minister of Pakistan". *

*This statement explains why democracy couldn't flourish in Pakistan. *
*Liaqat Ali Khan also called Hussain Shaheed Suharwardi, his political *
*enemy, a dog and a traitor. *

Iftikhar Hussain Mamdot and Suharwardi who had formed their own **
*factions of Muslim League called Jannah Muslim League and Awami Muslim *
*League respectively joined hands by merging their leagues in Jannah *
*Awami Muslim League against the Sarkari Muslim League of Liaqat Ali *
*Khan. In May 1951, elections were held in Punjab which were heavily *
*rigged in favor of Sarkari Muslim League. Consequently, Sarkari Muslim *
*League of Liaqat Ali Khan secured 140 seats and Jannah Awami Muslim *
*League of his opponents, Mamdot and Suharwardi, secured 32 seats. This *
*further aflamed anti-Liaqat sentiments in Punjab. Nawai Waqt continued *
*insidiary articles against Liaqat Ali Khan. Therefore its registeration *
*was cancelled. But its management started publishing it under the name *
*of "Jehad", which was also banned later. Amrat Press that published *
*Nawai Waqt was also closed down. Before that, Liaqat Ali Khan had *
**enforced Governer Raj in Punjab.

Liaqat Ali Khan had consolidated his power in Council Muslim League by **
*having Sarkari Muslim League win the election in Punjab. As actually *
*Ghulam Mohammad and Mushtaq Ahmad Gormani were running anti-Liaqat and *
*anti-Muhajir campaign in the center and in Punjab province, he sought *
*to replace Ghulam Mohammad with Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar. *
*Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar was against Gormani-Ghulam Mohammad collusion *
*in the center. Liaqat Ali Khan before his assasination had asked Ghulam *
*Mohammad to resign because his health was poor and he couldn't run *
*ministry. Ghulam Mohammad requested the postponement of his resignation *
*for a few days. That had been granted so he went to stay at Rawapindi. *
*On October 16, 1951, Liaqat Ali Khan was assasinated in Rawalpindi *
*while addressing a public meeting. At that time, Ghulam Mohammad, *
*Mushtaq Gormani, Khwaja Shahabudin, Khan Qayum, Choudri Sir Zafarullah *
*Khan, and Saradar Bahadar Khan were also present in Rawalpindi. These *
*leaders held a closed-door meeting in Rawalpindi to which Sardar Abdur *
*Rab Nishtar wasn't allowed. In that meeting, Ghulam Mohammad was made *
*Governer General and Khwaja Nazimudin, Prime Minister. This had been *
*done before the dead body of Liaqat Ali Khan had been placed in *
**aeroplane for transportation to Karachi.

On 18 May, 1951, "Jehad", new newspaper after Nawai Waqt was banned, **
**had written that:

*"The idea of achieving political objective through voilence is very *
*injurious and dangerous for the country and nation...This tactic didn't *
*benefit any democratic country...Example of Iran is before us. Prime *
*Minister Razam Ali was murdered because he was blamed for neglecting *
*and betraying interests of the country but now Prime Minister Mussadiq *
*has the same worry that he might face the same consequences...The *
*weakness and backwardness of many countries is due to this *
*reason...Sometimes Prime Minister of one country is murdured and *
*sometimes that of another....For this democracy should be promoted *
*along proper lines and dictatorial tendencies should be discouraged". *

Zahid Choudri says this was directed at Prime Minister Liaqat Ali Khan.

*Anyhow, matters between bureaucracy representing interests of Punjab *
*and Liaqat Ali Khan, representing interests of Muhajirs, had worsoned *
*to the point of no return. *

In this clash, Ghulam Mohammad and other bureaucrats and political **
*personalities of Punjab came out victorious. Had Liaqat Ali Khan *
*succeeded, what would been the shape of the political system in *
*Pakistan? One thing is clear that he also had dictatorial tendencies as *
*well his comrades like Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar who believed, there *
**should be only one party system in the country.

Do you think I am picking on Pashtuns? If you do think that is the case, then all you need to do is read the first 5 posts of this thread and then tell me whose stirring up trouble? If Punjabis are so bad then why did the Punjabi-Pakhtun Ittehad come into play in Karachi? Why do you people intermarry in places like Hazara, Mianwali? Why does the Pakistani Armed Forces comprise of Punjabis and their junior partners, the Pashtuns?

Like I said, it was truly amazing to see someone like Musharraf rise to power, even now he his dependent on his non Muhajir upper brass for support.

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*Again the same lies being spread here on the forum that I often see in person within my Urdu People community. *

*There are many assumption of this theory that somehow MQM is the result of oppression committed by Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis. This is not true at all. *

What are you talking about? How many times will Muhajirs hear Punjab is for Punjabis, NWFP (Pashtunistan) is for Pashtuns, Baluchistan is for Baluchis and Sind for Sindhis? These ethnic groups ARE NAMED after their provinces! (except NWFP). What is a Karachiite? He can be of any ethnic group.

*The proof is in the pudding. Look at Pakistani UP community and compare it with our cousins in UP and Bihar. *

1. UP community in the hands of Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis = Most prosperous community in South Asia.

2. UP community in the hands of Bharatis = the Poorest community in South Asia

Your logic is faulty. We are having an internal discussion, about Pakistan. Reading your post, some Indian can come and ask you who is the richest Indian Muslim? How many Muslim Presidents have there been etc.

No one is denigrating Pakistan or comparing it to India. The truth is that with the exception of Muhajirs and the Parsi community EVERY single province is largely feudal in it's setup. Arguably, some urbanized Punjabis are not included, but the vast majority of the province is still backward.

You are misguided to believe that the Muhajir community only includes UPites. Muhajirs can be anywhere from India including places like Guj. and Punjab.

*I mean don't just look at the media. Go visit the god-awful places called UP and Bihar. Then a simple math would show that Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtoons, and Punjabis have been the greatest allies (directly or indirectly) of the UP community. *

As I said earlier, proof is in the pudding or the Kheer.

With due respect, are you joking? Muhajirs WORKED for what they have, not relying on their roras or mamays and chachays. True, due to the general tribalism of Pakistan, they had more opportunities, and they took advantage of them. What is wrong with that? Even the poorest Muhajir father aspire to see his children have more of an education than he did. Our Memon community dominated Pakistani business and to this day has a strong prescence.

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You still have not answered this question: How much did L.A.K an Nawab, Oxford Educated, Prime Minister of Pakistan LEAVE behind?

Even if I believe this "source" (which I don't), how did his allotment STEAL anything from the Pashtuns or other groups of Pakistan? Besides Muhajirs in case you don't know the meaning of the word means 'migrants' meaning that some had to leave their property behind much like the Hindus and Sikhs did.

Muhajirs are not holding you back. Muhajirs barely account for presence in NWFP/Peshawar. Lets do this: Get rid of the quota system and give hardworking students a chance to enter university based on grades, job opportunities for the most qualified candidates..none of this domicile nonesense. If non-Muhajirs do well I guarantee you that the Muhajir community will not protest.

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Thanks bro. I am not afraid to stand up for the truth. This is just a reaction to the lies posted about Muhajirs, Liaquat Ali Khan etc.

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KARACHI

The population and demographic distribution of Karachi during last 150 years have greatly changed. Non-governmental and international sources report that Karachi’s current population is estimated to be 14 to 15 millioncitation needed](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] — a thirty-seven-fold increase over its population in 1947 (400,000). The city’s population is currently growing at about 5% per year (mainly on account of rural-urban internal migration), including an estimated 45,000 migrant workers coming to the city every month.[6]](Karachi - Wikipedia) Karachi is the 2nd largest megacity in the world.
Karachi is a multi-ethnic, cosmopolitan city. The dominant ethnic group in Karachi is the Urdu speaking Muhajirs who migrated to Pakistan from different parts of the Indian subcontinent after independence in 1947. The other large groups include the Sindhis, Balochis, Punjabis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Seraikis and more than one million Afghan refugees who have permanently settled in Karachi after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. The refugees include several ethnic groups: Pakhtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and Turkmen, who have raised the number of Afghans to about 3 million. There are also hundreds of thousands of Bengalis, Arabs, Iranians, Arakani Muslim refugees (from Rakhine State in Myanmar) and African immigrants who are also settled in Karachi. A large community of Zoroastrian-Persian Parsis also existed in Karachi prior to independence in 1947. The Parsis of Karachi have played an important role in the history of the city serving in key government positions, undertaking large philanthropic projects and conducting business in the city. Since independence however, most of them migrated to western nations and currently, the Parsi population of the city numbers about 5000. There is also a large community of Goan Catholic Christians who settled in Karachi during the British era. Most refugee minorities of the city live in slum areas.
According to 1998 census the linguistic distribution of population, is as follows. Urdu speaking 48.52%; Punjabi 13.94%; Sindhi 7.22%; Pushto 11.42%; Balochi 4.34%; Seraiki 2.11%; others 12.4%. The others include Gujarati, 0.17%; others 0.13%. The others include Parsi, Jews and Buddhist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachi

Karachi is Pakistan, it is a Muhajir majority city that has been welcoming enough for all peoples. Forget Muslims, lets talk about Christians, Jews, Buddhists who have settled here. Why didn’t they go to NWFP? Is it because NWFP will one day be called Pashtunistan (Home of the Pashtuns)?

Karachi is cosmopolitan because of its origins as port city built by the British. When the Muhajirs came, they continued on that tradition due to the historical links with the British Empire and the fact that it was the Capital of Pakistan. Karachi’s diversity outclasses even Islamabad, a modern city, that only has temporary foreigners.

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It's amazing to see how Hindus & Sikhs muhajirs going to India were treated compared to the Muslims migrating to Pakistan. Wah, Liaquat Ali Khan is being slandered for allegedly "allotting" property that was abandoned to his relatives while keeping NONE for himself (that makes a lot of sense).

I don't even want to start the discussion on how much the Saifullahs, Khans, Chaudrys, Bhuttos, Sharifs have STOLEN directly from Pakistans treasury. Oh please, if we open up that discussion, I am prepared to give some hard facts about those thieves.

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So are the Pakistanis and that's besides the point. However if you insist of American Bharati example here is a question for you!

Now you tell me mairay Aqa! Tomorrow these American Bharatis make a party called "Hindustani Qaumi Movement (HQM), and start complaining that Bharatis or Hindustanis have lost their rights because Blacks are getting affirmative action treatment. HQM leaders make statements that the whole concept of America was bad and that they should have stayed in Bharat. In order to protect Bharatis and Hindustanis, a part of Texas should be separated and given to Bharatis.

Would you mairay Aqa, support HQM? Would you ? Would you?

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I don’t agree with many views expressed in Nawa-e-Waqt, but I also understand that the followers of Bacha Khan would never be able to forgive Nawa-e-Waqt and Sarerahe. :hehe:

We also know that Pashtun generals who were planning to overthrow the government of Liaqat Ali Khan were unhappy with Kashmir ceasefire. Actually that general saheb talked about Kashmir at length in his pre-coup speech. :wink: If any ethnic group has really been deprived in our country, it is Baloch. A Pashtun in Quetta talking about Baloch rights is no different than a Punjabi in Karachi talking about the problems of rural Sindh. People from every community should speak for the oppressed, but must not fish in troubled waters. What if you bait a whale? Yea baby, then you’re going to have a whale of a time in troubled waters. :wink:

Coming back to Karachi! Quota system, as a matter of principle, must be abolished, not only from Sindh but from elsewhere in Pakistan as well. I only stay mute on this issue because this will affect a lot of people who come from underdeveloped areas like FATA, northern areas and Balochistan or even some areas of interior Sindh or Southern Punjab. But dividing a whole province into rural or urban doesn’t make much sense especially after 50/60 of mass migration. I wouldn’t be happy about it if I were a Mohajir living in Sindh.

Karachi is the greatest city of Pakistan in many ways. Many communities have played a role (and flourished there) and, Mohajir community being the dominant one remains on top of the list. But we must not underestimate the contribution of other communities like Sindhi, Pashtun etc.