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have you seen how japanese samurais used to pride their katana?
I think Arabs also had this sense of pride with their show of arms
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I found a nurse shouting at a pathan lady in a neonatology ward in isb when in the absence of nurse she took the baby for some ritual performance. The baby boy was a few hours old and the reason of anxiety of the nurse was that she found a "small knife" the family has put under the arm of the baby......:P
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Same is with Sikhs and Gurkha, I think these martial tribes of subcontinent had hardly ever produced any weapon they hold proudly :D
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In old times, didn’t they make swords? 
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Everyone made that, even before Neanderthals made weapons in past carved out of stone, even artillery was bought by Babur in the region :), an exceptional technological feat :k:
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But what is psyche behind such behavior of loving arms in some races? Is it due to excess time they get, which is not available to the people living in settled agricultural lands.
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But what is psyche behind such behavior of loving arms in some races? Is it due to excess time they get, which is not available to the people living in settled agricultural lands.
Military always uses cutting edge technology which later is trasferred for civilian cause. European brough fire in the pocket (match box) and things as simple as mouse catcher. The psyche is their tribal nature, some of the tribes are just martial because they hardly employed any of their resorces and mental faculties in constructing. Therefore non martial tribes progress much faster. Unlike pashtoons of hilly areas, Sikhs were from agricultural land and so are Yadavs.
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Military always uses cutting edge technology which later is trasferred for civilian cause. European brough fire in the pocket (match box) and things as simple as mouse catcher. The psyche is their tribal nature, some of the tribes are just martial because they hardly employed any of their resorces and mental faculties in constructing. Therefore non martial tribes progress much faster. Unlike pashtoons of hilly areas, Sikhs were from agricultural land and so are Yadavs.
Do Sikhs also show off arms like Pashtoons?
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Whaaaat 
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Do Sikhs also show off arms like Pashtoons?
Of course, but since In India arms are regulated and licencing is compulsory, people can't carry automatics in India, Once I tried counting scientific contribution of Sikh community in their 500 years of existence, I couldn't find any :D
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In last 500 years, same is true for Muslims 
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this Pathan lady medical technician reminded me this thread when she discussed effect of blood thinner (warfarin) by saying’ ye bullet ki tarah kaam karti hai.. bullet to samajhte hain na aap’. I replied ’ Karachi main reh kar bullet ko kon nahin samajhta’. She gave me her contact number in case of any complications and said ‘agar mobile band aae.. to msg record karwa lena, ya dobara try karna… mere cell ka charger kaam nahin karta’. I said to her ’ Karachi main aisa hi mobile rakho to acha hai’. She said ‘nai waise mere paas acha wala mobile hai, ye to hospital walon ne diya hai’ 
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The most important phase came after 1750 AD, when industrial revloution started, I think that in Mughal period we even didn’t had simple think like locks 
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'asleha hamara zewar hai'
This is what believed by many Pashtoons and I've heard this from ANP leaders like Shahi Sayyad who also claimed to follow Bacha Khan, who was against violence.
So what are the roots of this asleha / hathiyar culture in Pashtoons?
In old days every pashtun was carrying swords, with time they switched to guns.
Whey they love guns, battles and wars? may be its in the genetics or should i say they grow up in society which has martial traditions since thousnads of years.......Pashtuns were at the continuous war with British from 1839 to 1947, it was matter of pride to kill a farangi, and for wars you need guns , thats why it became zewar for pashtun as they were carrying it all the time...............when you are warrior then you love guns more than any thing......when you are pacifist , then despise guns.
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i doubt it is genetics. in an unsafe society, one needs to carry weapons just to do the basic daily things without getting robbed or killed. in civil societies with proper established law and order, no one goes grocery shopping holding guns.
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i doubt it is genetics. in an unsafe society, one needs to carry weapons just to do the basic daily things without getting robbed or killed. in civil societies with proper established law and order, no one goes grocery shopping holding guns.
You are right that conditions of society built a culture, be it is arms culture or drugs culture. But if I look at Sindh's culture, it was also subject to raids and conquests during many eras, but such culture (praising arms) was not part of Sindhi traditions and society until recently. Now, the situation is getting worst day by day. Folklore of Sindh do talk of heroes like Dodo Soomoro and Hoshu Sheedi, but it doesn't refer like 'hathiyar hamara zewar hai'.
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You are right that conditions of society built a culture, be it is arms culture or drugs culture. But if I look at Sindh's culture, it was also subject to raids and conquests during many eras, but such culture (praising arms) was not part of Sindhi traditions and society until recently. Now, the situation is getting worst day by day. Folklore of Sindh do talk of heroes like Dodo Soomoro and Hoshu Sheedi, but it doesn't refer like 'hathiyar hamara zewar hai'.
Sindh was under a strong state though, the responsibility of fighting fell on the state.
Pashtun homelands were relatively far flung provinces of states for much of their history. They were left to their own devices.
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i doubt it is genetics. in an unsafe society, one needs to carry weapons just to do the basic daily things without getting robbed or killed. in civil societies with proper established law and order, no one goes grocery shopping holding guns.
You think we are ready to kill and rob any living soul around us unless he is carrying gun?. Unlike stereotypes prevalent in attock-key-uss-paar pakistan, pashtun society is highly organized with proper unwritten laws known as pashtunwali. Usually population in pashtun villages is homogeneous, they are kinsmen , have common ancestor i.e if village name is ibrahim khel then it means all the people in that village are descendants of a person named ibrahim. They are relatives and are very united. Any issue is resolved with pashtunwali and islamic principles.
Murder is the most dangerous thing to commit in pashtun society, it could spark decades long feud. So people usually show high restrain because they know that if they kill X.Y.Z person , then family members of the deceased would take revenge from them. it is stereotype that pashtuns carry around guns for 24 hours. yes every pashtun has weapons in his house but he carries it outside only when he has enmity with some one or his clan is at war with another one.....
Every village has defense system called "chagha". Chagha are security patrols in bad times. Our village formed chagha parties against taliban incursions from waziristan in 2007.
A village or group of villages can form offensive lashkars when the situation demands. On government request, we formed aman laskars against taliban.
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You are right that conditions of society built a culture, be it is arms culture or drugs culture. But if I look at Sindh's culture, it was also subject to raids and conquests during many eras, but such culture (praising arms) was not part of Sindhi traditions and society until recently. Now, the situation is getting worst day by day. Folklore of Sindh do talk of heroes like Dodo Soomoro and Hoshu Sheedi, but it doesn't refer like 'hathiyar hamara zewar hai'.
what exactly is drug culture?
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Have you ever talked to faujis? they love guns. why? because their lives are associated with defense and offense.....the same formula applies on pashtuns, he loves wars .You love mobile phones so you show off your handset to every one. Pashtuns love guns, and he loves to show off his zewar , jeweleries are for show off.
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Case of MQM is different, they need weapons for criminal activities, for bori-bund bodies, for bhatas and what not.