Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

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Well you don't see kids getting autism every flu season! Autism has a window time of onset. You're not going to typically develop autism as a 14 year old after getting the flu shot. It if was thimerisol, and its truly in flu vaccines, you'd be seeing autism onset in more varied ages.

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Mama,

I agree that the drug companies need to be more open about what is in the vaccines, and that some children are highly sensitive to mercury. I have seen an autistic child respond very well to chelation therapy to remove the excess mercury, and his mother does believe that it was caused by vaccines.

However, the complications of mumps and measles can be VERY severe, and do you remember reading about the polio epidemics? My mother used to tell me about a child she went to school with being in an iron lung because of polio.

On a side note - my pediatrician's office will give the vaccines separately instead of in a combo - apparently some believe that this reduces some of the 'risk'.

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Now i call this crap medicine, unfortunatley some physicians succumb to it.

It will be interesting to know what were the mercury levels in blood and urine of this child?

And the chelation therapy is not without risk, it can cause liver and kidney damage and is not recomend even in people who "did" have excessive mercury exposure unless their blood levels cross a certain threshold.

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there is a little bit of a difference between the brians of an infant and a 14 year old.

autism cases have increased considerably, are you among the people who think its a natural phenomenon. or that there are some environmental factors.

and lets not use the term 'get autism' because it makes it sound like its like a cold and go away, its more like 'become autistic' because there is no cure for autism.

maybe some parents think that they can handle their kid getting measles and getting over it, but not be impacted by autism.

as far as studies go, there has been nothing conclusive anywhere from what I know.

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There has been lot of studies on link between vaccines and autism.

And as for increased incidence of autism, i hereby declare that it is bcoz of drinikng Pepsi and is a Zionist cospiracy.

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lots of shlots of
I distinctly recall using the word conclusive.
if any of the studies were conclusive, there would be no need for additional studies.
just logic.

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Chelation therapy is becoming more and more popular these days..PCG, in Japan, fish consumed in very high quantity as compared to almost any other nation in the world...and mercury content in fish has been going up and up. Since the autistic children who have undergone chelation treatment have (almost) invariably seen great improvement, I am not ready to deny some kind of link between heavy-metal poisoning and autism. Like I said, much work remains to be done in uncovering the cause(s) of autism but if you read the studies, even they will say "no link YET found"....and the fact of it all boils down to who may be susceptible and who is not and what triggers the susceptibility. The "age" of the brain is extremely involved here as X2 mentioned...but what else? Dont discount ANYTHING here until it can be truly proven, yeah? If you had an autistic child, you'd all be a bit more understanding here methinks! And the latest studies show that the chances of having a child on the autism spectrum is now 1 in 250!!!!!! If you have more interest, theres a wonderful celebrity named Jenny McCarthy who has an autistic son and just put out a bestseller on the whole journey. Her son underwent chelation therapy and is on a gluten-free, casein free diet and seems truly typical now.

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We need to do a study on link between Pepsi and autism, and also on TV and autism.

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mamaof3, although i doubt her son was really autistic. he may have had some other things that are seen in autistic kids, but was not autistic, and as those specific things went away she thought he was cured of autism, while he was not autistic to start with.

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:hayaa:

Wait so does autism also have any correlation with the mother’s health? Like if she ate these foods or took certain medicines etc while she was pregnant, there’s a higher chance her child can have autism? And when does autism develop?

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Autism develops around 18 months of age. And there does not seem to be any one thing or combination of things that it can be attributed to. No common link has yet been found, no common error in DNA has yet been found, no commonality with mother's pregnancy, health, intake of meds or foods.

And ps, I've had people tell me that MY son is not autistic too. Yet he has hallmarks of autism and has been classified as such by a very highly respected Neuro-developmental pediatrician. Autism is a "spectrum" which means that there are vast differences between a "high-functioning" autistic and a "severely autistic" child.

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I agree completely - I strongly believe that the rise in autism is due to many factors, and not vaccines specifically. I haven't done any research, but I strongly suspect that the level of mercury in vaccines is probably minimal when compared to the amounts of mercury present in other everyday contaminents, such as fish. Perhaps our children also spend entirely too much time indoors.

We live near a large Amish community, and it is frequently pointed out that the Amish have almost no autism, no ADD/ADHD, and so on. They don't use convenience food, their livestock is grain fed (most of which they grow) and not injected with hormones, they spend a lot of time outdoors and do everything manually, not to mention the lack of video games, cell phones, and televisions. All of these factors are definitely worth exploring further.

I am not speaking in favor or against chelation therapy, again, I just don't know enough about it. I did observe the changes in my friend's son, though.

LOL at the zionist conspiracy :)

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amana

a few years ago I was involved in global environmental initiatives including RoHS/WEEE , prop65 etc. I think I had written it back then, one of the findings that EPA made was for USA, in silicon valley area.

PBD and PBDE are fire retardents used for plastics, they are required for safety standards to limit flammability.

now with electronics and all being tossed in landfills, then imapcting streams, vegetations and livestock..they accumluate.

The found traces of PBD and PBDE in the milk of nursing mothers in that area.

so this is the problem we are living with.

working with manufacturers tryign to get ISO social responsibility certs, we looked at supply chains and saw how the cancer rate at the areas where suppliers were based were very high, I cant get into specifics but it was high tech component manufacturing involving lcd screens.

point being. these environmental issues impact us on a daily basis. and they impact children even more since their neurological systems are still developing. if we can find links between aluminium and alzheiemers, surely there is a link between something else and autism.

people can choose to be dismissive and move on, probably due to lack of knowledge, but the fact is that it is a real and growing issue, and something that needs to be tackled.

our food supply, medication, water supply, air it all needs be be guarded.

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I would like to see the evidence. I don't believe the pharmaceutical industry for the same reason I don't believe the FDA: they are all liars! This has been proved a billion times. They brainwash people, they make us so dependent on them, because we believe that only drugs can cure us. It's about time you learn their reality. WE ARE NOT STUPID! They abuse science.. they really do. I consider myself a very scientific person. I like to see proofs for everything.
O and You can't possibly know whether vaccines cause autism or not, because they will never admit it. I can bet you any money, the proofs you have are provided by either the FDA or the pharmacuetical industry. Sorry to say, but those proofs aren't good enough. There's a reason why some moms are against vaccines, and it's not because they are crazy or too stupid.

THEY have power, and they know how to use it. Just don't believe what they tell you..

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The incidences of many very dangerous diseases have come down drastically over the years...
For example, there is reason why Polio is unheard of in the developed world.. Other dangerous bugs such a Haemophilus Influenza, was the leading cause of Meningitis in infants which usually lead to long term neurological deficits... After the introduction of the vaccine in 1991, the incidences have come down considerably.

The Pharmaceutical industry and FDA can be royal A holes... There is reason for example, why acupuncture which has been succesfully used to induce anesthesia in China, is still not used in the state... The Pharm companies wont have it.
On the other hand, where they have done the right thing, they have done remarcably well... As is the case with communicble diseases. As an example of the a success by the FDA would be the banning of Ephedrine from supplements... Ephedrine is now known to have some serious side effects.

We dont have to trust them, but as is the case with vaccinations, the proof is in the pudding..

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Well, they have to be doing SOMETHING right in order to trick average Americans into believing the things they are doing wrong. I don't see what's so remarkable about the FDA, they have cures for many illnesses, but they won't make it available to average folks, why? POWER and MONEY.

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Granted their is a lot of corruption... But you have to give credit where its due... As far as vaccinations go, the fact that we dont have to worry about things such as influenze, Diphtheria, Tetnus, all point to the fact that vaccinations do work...

There is solid scientific evidence that demonstrates how vaccination works.

So we dont have to trust the FDA, but when it comes to vaccination, the alternative is far worse...
Just imagine your child with permanent disabilites all because the FDA isnt to be trusted.
Its the few RIGHTS that they have done that we have to appreciate... Because without those rights, life would be far more difficult.

I read this stuff regularly, and you cant imagine the kind of suffering a child goes through if he becomes exposed to some of these bugs...

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I agree with your statement. I do give them credit for the limited good they do, but that's not the problem here. I was focusing more on autism being caused by vaccination. Can you imagine someone injecting into your body and say it's okay? Since when are we born with mercury in our bodies?

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Yeah, well I dont know about Autism… I mean I have never met anyone who was immunized only to become Autistic. I certainly havent become Autistic after recieving immunizations…
I found this site with some usefull info… (Pardon the title, im not suggesting anyones a quack.)

“The current theory favored by many experts is that autism is a genetically-based disorder that occurs before birth [3]. Studies of persons with autism are finding abnormalities in brain structures that develop in the first few weeks of fetal development [4]. Evidence that genetics is an important, but not exclusive, cause of autism includes a 3-8% risk of recurrence in families with one affected child. A working group convened by the National Institutes of Health in 1995 reached a consensus that autism is a genetic condition. An issue unresolved by the group was the role of immune factors in autism spectrum disorders; it was suggested that studies to clarify the situation are needed.”

And they also make this point which seems to explain why immunization by MMR seems to coincide with the diagnosis of Autism..

“Some parents of children with autism believe that there is a link between measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. However, there is no sensible reason to believe that any vaccine can cause autism or any kind of behavioral disorder. Typically, symptoms of autism are first noted by parents as their child begins to have difficulty with delays in speaking after age one. MMR vaccine is first given to children at 12-15 months of age. Since this is also an age when autism commonly becomes apparent, it is not surprising that autism follows MMR immunization in some cases. However, by far the most logical explanation is coincidence, not cause-and-effect.”

And also this:

“If measles vaccine or any other vaccine causes autism, it would have to be a very rare occurrence, because millions of children have received vaccines without ill health effects. The only “evidence” linking MMR vaccine and autism was published in the British journal Lancet in 1998 [5]. An editorial published in the same issue, however, discussed concerns about the validity of the study [6]. Based on data from 12 patients, Dr. Andrew Wakefield (a British gastroenterologist) and colleagues speculated that MMR vaccine may have been the possible cause of bowel problems which led to a decreased absorption of essential vitamins and nutrients which resulted in developmental disorders like autism. No scientific analyses were reported, however, to substantiate the theory…”

So I can understand that people would want to protect their kids, but I think that in their haste, they zealously guard against a far less likely threat while exposing their children to multitude of far worse diseases. It seems to me that while there may be a very remote chance of some sort of connection between immunization and Autism, the risk of contracting bacterial diseases is far higher and far more life threatening then the small risk of getting Autism.

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As for Mercury, there are other sources for pregnant women…

http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism?gclid=CNbflsSQm48CFRqwOAod2U2yUg

There is a subset of children who may have a decreased ability to defend against foreign agents such as mercury…

“Newly published research and follow-up testing by former FDA senior research scientist Dr. Jill James, now of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, has uncovered a unique and consistent metabolic imbalance in autistic children when compared to normal healthy children (James 2004a, 2004b). This impairment manifests as a severe deficit in the body’s most important antioxidant and metals detoxifier, glutathione. When compared to normal health children, autistic children showed a significant impairment in every one of five measurements of the body’s ability to maintain a healthy glutathione defense. These findings are strong evidence that if these children were exposed to a potentially toxic dose of mercury or other compound they would be much less able to mount an effective defense.”

So I agree the Feds have done a bad job of it… And it screams of bias.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0616-31.htm
More research obviously needs to be done. But on the other hand, taking into account the fact that even if there is a connection, the possibility and risk is so small, that the benefits of immunization FAR outweigh any of the unknown risk.
And according to the link, the supposed causative agent, thimerosal, is no longer used.
Here, a link from the same site talks about why the coneection between Mercury and Autism doesnt make sense.

"A study published in 2002 of infants who were 6 months of age or younger compared the levels of mercury in the blood, hair, urine, and stool of 40 who received vaccines containing thimerosal and 20 who received vaccines without thimerosal. The study found:

Mercury levels in blood and urine were low in all infants studied and in many cases too small to measure. There was no observed dose-dependent relationship between the level of thimerosal received through vaccination and the level of mercury in the body.
Mercury levels in blood did not exceed, at any time, the blood levels that correspond to Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for exposure.
Mercury levels in the stool of infants receiving vaccines containing thimerosal were relatively high compared to mercury levels in the stool of infants who were not exposed to thimerosal, providing evidence that mercury from thimerosal is eliminated in the stool of infants.
The researchers concluded that, “Administration of vaccines containing thiomersal does not seem to raise blood concentrations of mercury above safe values in infants.”

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