Palestinians languish in Israeli jails

By Martin Asser
BBC News Online

Thousands of Palestinian political prisoners are being held by Israel - and many thousands more have passed through Israeli jails during nearly three years of the current Palestinian intifada.
The fate of these detainees is not mentioned in the US-backed peace plan for the Middle East, known as the roadmap.

But it remains a significant bone of contention that from time to time has the capacity to bring peace negotiations to a screeching stop.

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ISRAEL’S PALESTINIAN INMATES

5,600 Palestinian security inmates
2,420 serving sentences
2,650 awaiting trial
530 ‘administrative detainees’
1,500+ with ‘blood on hands’
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At the time of writing, about 5,600 Palestinians are in Israeli custody for political reasons - there are also a few hundred common criminals.

The batch of about 350 prisoners released as a “goodwill gesture” by Israel on 6 August gives a good indication of the kind of activity many Palestinians are jailed for.

Membership of Hamas, Islamic Jihad or other Palestinian militant organisations, stone-throwing, assisting militant organisations or “wanted” Palestinians, firearms and explosives offences.

A category of prisoners not released on Wednesday was those considered to have “blood on their hands”, Israel’s term for people allegedly involved in fatal attacks against Israelis.

The proportion of such prisoners in the larger population is a matter of speculation.

Israel’s prison service, whose jails hold about half the Palestinians currently in custody, says 1,500 of its charges come under this category - either because they have been convicted or are awaiting trial for carrying out terrorist acts.

But the army (IDF) which holds the other half in detention, was not able to furnish the BBC with detailed statistics.

‘Unfair trials’

Other categories of prisoners are easier to establish: about 75 are women, and 360 boys under the age of 18 who - controversially - are sometimes kept among the adult population.

The prison service says that of its 2,700 security prisoners, about 1,250 are being held on remand and 1,450 have been convicted.

The IDF holds 2,900 prisoners, including 970 who have been convicted and 1,400 on remand or arrested on judges’ orders.

There are also at least 530 “administrative detainees” in IDF custody, who are held without charge or trial for renewable six-month terms.

Administrative detention is a system revived from British Mandate times (before Israel was established in 1948) and has drawn harsh condemnation from human rights watchdogs who say it is illegal and arbitrarily applied.

All such detainees should be released immediately or charged with specific crimes and put on trial, rights groups say.

But the Palestinian lawyers’ NGO al-Haq says even when detainees are tried, the Israeli military authorities responsible for administering justice in the occupied territories overlook the standards of fair trials on several levels.

Alleged violations include depriving detainees of proper representation by counsels, the use of confidential evidence not disclosed to counsels or defendants, and giving evidence briefings in Hebrew without access to a translation.

The IDF denies the specific allegations and says it does everything to ensure fair trials, though it is hampered by the large numbers of people it says it must detain to ensure the safety of Israeli citizens.

Prison conditions

Living conditions for prisoners are generally described by observers as extremely harsh and difficult.

Human Rights Watch says the 4,500 Palestinians arrested in the massive military sweep through the West Bank in March-April 2002 were subjected to widespread ill-treatment such as kicking, beatings, squalid conditions and deprivation of food and drink.

Overcrowding and very austere conditions appear to be common complaints in the main prisons, and al-Haq says prisoners with chronic medical conditions receive far from satisfactory care and treatment.

A senior Israeli military source admitted to BBC News Online that overcrowding was a problem, but categorically denied any maltreatment.

Prisoners received exactly the same medical attention as Israeli soldiers, and Ketziot prison - for example - has just had $5m spent on it to deal with some of the accommodation problems, the source said.

Visits by families are hampered by travel restrictions imposed on all Palestinians, the prisoners’ support group Addameer says, with inhabitants of the West Bank towns of Nablus and Jenin denied access to jailed relatives since May 2000 - that is four months before the intifada even started.

But the most controversial issue remains Israel’s reported use of physical and psychological pressure during interrogations of prisoners, a practice internationally condemned as torture by the United Nations and human rights groups.

Israel’s High Court outlawed the use of what was termed “moderate physical pressure” of prisoners in September 1999, but the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel says interrogators have gradually reverted to techniques that amount to torture.

According to human rights groups, these include beating, leaving prisoners in uncomfortable postures, interrogation sessions which last 24 or 48 hours, depriving prisoners of sleep, depriving them of human dignity and making threats against the lives and property of their relatives.

But Israel defends its interrogation techniques - as it defends the whole edifice of legal and penal mechanisms it uses in relation to the Palestinians - as a legitimate way of combating terrorism faced by its citizens.

now we can see from where america is getting all its inspirations and ideas.

Re: Palestinians languish in Israeli jails

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Originally posted by BabyGulabJaman:

**ISRAEL'S PALESTINIAN INMATES

5,600 Palestinian security inmates
2,420 serving sentences
2,650 awaiting trial
530 'administrative detainees'
1,500+ with 'blood on hands' **

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Even some Jews have compared the Zionist occupation of the Palestinian's to the Nazi persecution of the Jews, and this just proves the point further.

And yet the U.S. supports Israel unquestionably. What does that say about the U.S.?

Is that a rhetorical question? It says that we both agree that terrorists forfeit their rights when they attack innocent civilians.

I say call the Palestinians POW's, finally acknowledge that Palestine and Israel are at a state of war, and let them have at it. When a peace treaty is signed, they can exchange POWs.

Stu and OG:
Do u ppl really believe in what u post here. If u do its really sad, if u dont , I would like to question ur motive

Of course they believe what they post.

They have been programmed this way. George Bush is their role model source of info!

They did vote him in, despite what they say.

No one 'voted' him in....but stu and mr magoo are towing the party line, they are the bedrock on which great disctorships are formed.

They see the Palestinian struggle as it's painted in the Israeli/US media, you can't expect them to leap out of this frame of reference because of a few posts by some luminary on a bulletin board, instead it will take years of mistakes being repeated again and again by their 'leader' before they'll stir into action and have an independant thought or two.

However, I'm a wishful thinker at that.

PKC,
I am sure that if you would review a bunch of posts you would get a fuller breadth of our views.

Here is a summary, but I would wager that my summary below would pretty well reflect our feelings as a group.

Americans in general want the State of Palestine. We want the State of Israel. We want them both to live in harmony and peace. Over the years we have seen Palestinians hijack airplanes, kill atheletes in Munich, and engage in behavior that convinces us that their determination goes beyond the pale. The Israeli's are not much better. No reasonably thinking democracy would elect Sharon. The Israeli's do because they feel they need him to defend them. Israel had made peace with Egypt, and they have forged and uneasy peace with Syria, Lebanon (virtually Syria) and Jordan. If there was a reasonable peace plan on the table, and a man of peace leading Palestine, and Israel misbehaved, we would kick their butts, withdraw aid and sponsor UN resolutions against them so fast it would make your head spin. The one constant over the years has been Arafat. Has anyone thought that he has simply failed, and that a different leader might do better? Somehow Palestinians and Arabs and the Muslim world cling to him, and support him when they should be kicking his arse. Being brother Muslims does not mean that you must support bad leaders.

Undoubtedly Palestinains are brutalized. They are occupied. They are beaten on by the IDF in horrible ways. Everyone in the US would gasp in horror if the abuses of the Israeli's were not so overshaddowed by the horrors of killing hundreds in completely random slaughters of innocent people. The American thinking is that Palestinians are so completely beyond all forms of normal ethical behavior that Israel MUST respond in a tough way, because that is the only thing that can be understood.

Palestinians must change their behavior to regain American support. They must have rational and visionary leadership. They must disavow the willful and intentional murder of innocents. In a world where the Palestinians are black, the Israelis only have to be dark grey and they will look better in comparison.

We want to like the Palestinians. We don't need them to be lovable, just not so repugnant in their behavior that we cannot support them at all.

The last thing that just totally pi$$es us off is that every US President for 30 years has made some peace ovature, peace initiative, or peace plan to try to get all parties together. We bought peace with Egypt to the tune of 3Billion dollars per year in aid, and have been paying that for 20 years. Do we want peace, Damn skippy we do.

So when we say, just let the Israelis and the Palestinians fight it out, it is frustration borne of 30 years of trying to broker peace, a just, fair, and honorable peace, and the sides are never any closer. My prediction a year ago was that the Road Map would fail, and in a way such that Sharon could say that he tried, and that soon he will dream up some horrible plan to finish the issue once and for all. Who could blame him? he is sitting on a powerful military machine that could force the evacuation of the Palestinians into Jordan and Egypt in a week. Let them negociate for their state in exile! He might just do it! If the Palestinians think that things cannot get any worse for them, I beleive that they are mistaken.

So hopefully you do not take the American posts out of context. One more peace plan down the tubes, five more years of turmoil in the mideast. Why bother anymore. Let Darwin take over, and let them finish it...... Peace is hopeless, let the next war begin....

Ohioguy speaks for some Americans. Let me give you another American's perspective. Ohioguy said that American's find suicide bombings so repugnant that whatever the Israeli's do to the Palestinians, they understand. I beg to differ with you sir. Palestinians were not always like this. When they are pushed by invaders to oblivion with the help of a superpower; well anybody will do what the Palestinins are doing now. Answering with the only thing they have, their bodies. They are not the first in history to do this, and regretfully will not be the last. They are the one who are losing their country, their language, their way of life and their identity. Eygpt is not, Jordan is not, Lebanon is not and neither is Syria (although Lebanon came close). I for one find both parties at equal fault. Yet we help one party blindly. Why?

I find the actions of the Israeli's repugnant and I understand the Palestinian response. When a F-16 drops a giant bomb on a building full of civilians to get some suspect; well that is repugnant. Why repugnant, because our hands are soiled in that blood. That F-16 and that bomb was made right here in the U.S.A., and my tax money bought that plane and bomb for the Israeli's. That is what sickens me.

If we really are a superpower, than we can end this. But I don't think people in Washington want it to end. What is an Arafat and Sharon to the mighty U.S.A. Right?

Peace is just an illusion .. either palestine will/shall exist or Israel .. they can't live peacefully side by side ....

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Peace is just an illusion .. either palestine will/shall exist or Israel .. they can't live peacefully side by side ....
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Bah. Those that call for the destruction for Israel must be forced down and must have their influenced eliminated. Those who want "Greater" Israel must be forced down and must have their influenced eliminated. These 2 sides have opposite goals but neither would exist without the other.

Dear OG
I cant help but notice that ur post has a biased theme. “Suicide bombing” is the key word here. If for one minute we turn the tables here, lets assume, that anyone in ur family whether it be ur kids or any loved ones are exposed to torture, or shot right in front of ur eyes or are thrown into jails for years without any charge , what would u do? Will you go and hold a placard in front of the UN building or put a tulip in the barrel of the assailant’s gun?
Drastic situation need drastic measures. If u push a man against the wall and leave him no room, he would ultimately use every possible method to defend himself. I hope u can realize that, but the irony is that living in the US u have never experienced subjugation to that level of discrimination. The line between rational and irrational becomes a blur.
OG! As long as u can go to ur favorite joint for a couple of beers this “Slap me again approach” seems quite realistic. But to be a victim and show that level of indifference is quite unreal.

Mind u ! I am not defending suicide bombing. I am just trying to show u the level of hopelessness, depression and disgust that ppl can go through to force them to take such unethical steps. If Palestinians had an army they could go for the military infrastructure of Israel just the same way as US does to any "Axsis of evil" country. If the US ‘s security is “threatened” they enter and disable another country within weeks. Do u think any GI of urs wont sacrifice his life for USA. They will!! And in doing so inhabitants of that country loose their lives, but that is covered up by saying that they were casualties of war (that even a preemptive war). Well there is no comparison between the US and Palestine , a mighty military machine and an insignificant stone, That is why the reactions differ.

Next u said that yasser Arafat should be removed. IMO whether it is yasir Arafat ,Amir Abdullah, or Abdul samad the basic motive remains the same . A free “Palestinian state”
You also mentioned that the US acknowledges that the ppl of Palestine have a right to freedom but because of their reaction they wont get any. Tell me if u r made a referee of a match and u see that one of the opponent is getting a thrashing , and while being thrashed he is trying all unconscionable ways to break free. Wont u be tempted to stop the fight? … I wouldn’t be IF
1. I am a biased referee.
2. or have ulterior motives.
The sad part is that things are not that black and white as u r supposed or made to believe. While talking about states, there are external pressures and self-serving foreign policies to cater for.
Unlike u I would like to end this post by saying that I hope either the Arab lobby or the American steps in and puts an end to this vicious circle.