Pakistan's Taliban set tax schedule; Shariah Laws

[Khushaalkhan]

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^ hahaha, Thanks brother, I wish I could be Sher Shah Suri, believe me I am not you are talking about. But it speaks that if somebody talks for a better Pakistan where everybody should get equal rights is banned in this forum. I can only say sorry for it. When we are going to call ourselves better Pakistanis, when we are going to grow up and accept the rights of all the people dwelling in this country.

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Silly Billy

As long as they keep the peace in the region, and keep foreigners out of their land or under control then they can enforce whatever laws they want.

SB, I hope you know that foreigners are never brought to this region by Tribals but by Pakistan to fight a Jihad, in the cause of Allah. The poor tribals dont understand that Jihad once being holy cause can become terrorism with the change of national policy and national interest.
We want them to be like robot where we press the button of Jihad they start supporting Jihadis and when we press the button of Terrorism they turn against these Jihadis and expel them from their region.

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Fraudz

there has to be a balance between local rights and national interest. It can not be simply one or the other. Otherwise how far could this go, the ppl in the province will then say the proceeds should only go to the specific area where the resources were foind and the benefit from the proceeds should not extend to the residents of the province on the other side of the province. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx so yes, balochistan should get money for its gas, and pay for water and produce and all the other stuff based on some inter provincial transfer pricing, but going and blowing up stuff is not the answer, whats next, ppl will go blow up dams because they are not getting enough water?

Mr. Fraudia please dont mind, but I think you dont know about provincial autonomy of 1973 constitution.
The details of provincial autonomy are clearly enunciated in 1973 constitution, where in within 10 years, provinces would be granted autonomy in that federating units would exercise control on their own resources and will pay (in percentage) to Federal govt for their expenditure.
But since provintial autonomy is never in the interest of Punjab, therefore it cant be implemented even after the lapse of 33 years.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Khushaalkhan

Mr. Fraudia please dont mind, but I think you dont know about provincial autonomy of 1973 constitution.
The details of provincial autonomy are clearly enunciated in 1973 constitution, where in within 10 years, provinces would be granted autonomy in that federating units would exercise control on their own resources and will pay (in percentage) to Federal govt for their expenditure.
But since provintial autonomy is never in the interest of Punjab, therefore it cant be implemented even after the lapse of 33 years.

whoa 1973 constitution, dinn e become indpendent in 1947.

if it took that damn long to come up with a workable constitution I guess having it implemented will take time too.

there have ben non punjabi leaders as well, are you saying they all backed punjab?

so once again, its all okay, the right to protest and all is fine, but balochis are not the only ones affected, as a matter of fact I would even suggest that prior to the develomentof the gas exploration, drilling and delivery mechanism, things would have been very diff and it was other provices shouldeirng the costs to keep this province going.

coming back to the subject, they have a complete right to lodge protests for their rights, as do residents of other provinces like sindh, and cities (which really ought to be a province) like Karachi, but blowing up stuff that impacts the lives of a common pakistani is simply nto right. whats next someone in punjab gets pissed off that more water is going to other provinces and not available to them for their use and they start adding posion to it?

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Fraudz

whoa 1973 constitution, dinn e become indpendent in 1947.

if it took that damn long to come up with a workable constitution I guess having it implemented will take time too.

How can I expect such remarks from a Pakistani. This country will never prosper as long as we have the people like you, who even deny the constitution or implementation of the constitution giving rights to deprived people.

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so once again, its all okay, the right to protest and all is fine, but balochis are not the only ones affected, as a matter of fact I would even suggest that prior to the develomentof the gas exploration, drilling and delivery mechanism, things would have been very diff and it was other provices shouldeirng the costs to keep this province going.

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There is a workable formula catering for all such stuff including share of federal government. So dont worry about it

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whats next someone in punjab gets pissed off that more water is going to other provinces and not available to them for their use and they start adding posion to it?

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So thats mean you dont know anything about water distribution as well. Just go see the figure and analyse who gets maximum share of water. Moreover Punjab has no water of its own. Sources of water are Afghanistan, NA, Kashmir and India.

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there have ben non punjabi leaders as well, are you saying they all backed punjab?

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I never talk of Punjabis rather a lobby who is constantly grabbing the resources of smaller provinces on the pretext of strong federation. It includes all Punjabis and non-Punjabis, like, Ayyub Khan, ZA Bhuto, Zia, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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How can I expect such remarks from a Pakistani. This country will never prosper as long as we have the people like you, who even deny the constitution or implementation of the constitution giving rights to deprived people.

what remarks? I am stating facts that it took us almost 3 decades to come up with a constitution, we are slow. I am looking at it from a realist perspective. I am not denyng the constitution nor am I denying the need to implement the constitution. what else has the nation done right that you expect that the constitution would be implemented jhat pat? it took us 3 decades to agree on it to begin with..

There is a workable formula catering for all such stuff including share of federal government. So dont worry about it

Not true, there are real issues because while it addreses issues on a provincial level, cities are still not factored in and for cities like karachi that is a huge issue because while it may be generating majority of revenue for the province it may not get its fair cut, so the 73 constitution already needs some ammendments.

*So thats mean you dont know anything about water distribution as well. *

The fact that I have worked on 2 world bank projects dealing with water wupply in Pakistan would indicate that I may know a thing or two :)

Just go see the figure and analyse who gets maximum share of water.

I did not comment on who gets what share did I?

** Moreover Punjab has no water of its own. Sources of water are Afghanistan, NA, Kashmir and India. **

the meaning was that the water channels flowing through Punjab, punjabis may say they have a bigger right on them than others and claim they are not getting the right compensation for others to use this resource that they get via punjab and thus start poisoning water.

dont run on the source of water and shares rights and all that while skirting the basic issue, that NO ONE has a right to go destroy infrastructure of national importance..period.

*I never talk of Punjabis rather a lobby who is constantly grabbing the resources of smaller provinces on the pretext of strong federation. It includes all Punjabis and non-Punjabis, like, Ayyub Khan, ZA Bhuto, Zia, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf *

so sindhis are in on it too. and same goes for baluch ministers and presidents :)

[system]

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@chintu_bhopali

why pakistan is allowing them to run a state within a state???

Expediency… Allows Pakistan time, a place where they can concentrate the terrorsit minded people without causing to much problem in the rest of the country… I think eventually they will have to go in with gun blazing, but for now, they can pursue their own agenda without compramising their role in the war on terror.

[system]

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@Khushaalkhan

SB, I hope you know that foreigners are never brought to this region by Tribals but by Pakistan to fight a Jihad, in the cause of Allah. The poor tribals dont understand that Jihad once being holy cause can become terrorism with the change of national policy and national interest.
We want them to be like robot where we press the button of Jihad they start supporting Jihadis and when we press the button of Terrorism they turn against these Jihadis and expel them from their region.

The Pak govt isnt fighting a Jihad.. These terrorsits were originally fighting in Afghanistan and now have come to the tribal areas not because they were invited by any one party, but because there are those in the region who have sympathies for them, the area is easy from them to hide out in, and the tribals are obliged to protect them as guests…

[Khushaalkhan]

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@PaKpatriot1

The Pak govt isnt fighting a Jihad.. These terrorsits were originally fighting in Afghanistan and now have come to the tribal areas not because they were invited by any one party, but because there are those in the region who have sympathies for them, the area is easy from them to hide out in, and the tribals are obliged to protect them as guests...

PP1, I am sure thats not true. Being close to these areas I know when they came to this region. These people (foreigners) fully backed by ISI and CIA used to fight in Afghanistan operating from their hideouts/bolholes in Tribal region. And that's an irrefutable fact.

[system]

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@Khushaalkhan

PP1, I am sure thats not true. Being close to these areas I know when they came to this region. These people (foreigners) fully backed by ISI and CIA used to fight in Afghanistan operating from their hideouts/bolholes in Tribal region. And that’s an irrefutable fact.

Used to yaar… I doubt anyone in the govt still wants these foreign militants taking refuge in the Tribal areas. But yeah, its a fact that CIA and ISI, along with many other countries especially Saudia Arabia helped finance and encourage these people.

[Khushaalkhan]

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Exactly thats what I want to say, that the simple tribals dont understand as to how the right has become wrong with the change of national interest.
Moreover, the people whom we motivated for so many years that they must offer their devotions and sacrifices to the cause of Islam, how can we convince them for the reverse as Islam doesnt believe on geographical boundaries

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Khushaalkhan

Exactly thats what I want to say, that the simple tribals dont understand as to how the right has become wrong with the change of national interest.
Moreover, the people whom we motivated for so many years that they must offer their devotions and sacrifices to the cause of Islam, how can we convince them for the reverse as Islam doesnt believe on geographical boundaries

they may be simple, but does simple equate to stupid?
they need to understand and efforts should be made for them to understand.
speaking of islam, I think a reasonable person would see the difference between supporting ppl who are fighting against an attacking and occupying force like USSR in afghanistan, versus supporting ppl who are killing innocent ppl on trains.

[CrescentWarrior]

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America has already said it will attack pakistan if it can, why are we helping them? If anything we should be helping the taliban Insha'ALLAH...

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Fraudz

they may be simple, but does simple equate to stupid? they need to understand and efforts should be made for them to understand. speaking of islam, I think a reasonable person would see the difference between supporting ppl who are fighting against an attacking and occupying force like USSR in afghanistan, versus supporting ppl who are killing innocent ppl on trains.

Fraudia I will again quote my sentence, please ponder over it and you will find that you are more stupid than those simple tribals. Please read again

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that the simple tribals dont understand as to how the right has become wrong with the change of national interest.

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Now think over your own statement, it implies that when USSR was operating in Afghanistan, fighting against them was Jihad and if USA is operating in Afghanistan, fighting against them is terrorism. I think thats what you want to say.
And no one has supported the killing of innocent people.