pakistani unmanned plane shot down

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Originally posted by devil123:
However, Pakistani sources later confirmed the incident to NBC News.

What sources?

This statement is as ambigious as NBC saying, 'this could not be verified through independent sources'.

The drone, which takes aerial photographs, was flying nearly three miles inside the Indian territory,

It went 3 miles across a Line of control laced with weapons, and wasnt detected or hit till it was so far inside?

The official denial was an effort to avoid raising tension further between the two sides, they told NBC.

What a moronic statement coming from NBC. On the one hand, the sources say that the 'denial was to avoid tensions', and on the other and they are admitting it?

U need guts to admit things.....

We admit to whats true. A pilotless drone getting shot several miles inside India, manages to come down in Pakistani territory? How convenient for India!

Let me know if you come up with an explanation of the goofup hijacking from 1999, then the one from earlier last year. Then perhaps you can explain why the lead mastermind terrorist of the recent Parliament attacks was allowed to give an interview on national TV one day after his arrest.

Face it. India has probably the most ridiculous story writers sitting in New Dehli. Perhaps they collaborate with the ones sitting in Bombay.

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LMAO at Pakistani sources speaking on condition of anonymity admitted that the drone belonged

yeah right!

these anonymous sources speak too much dont they?

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Originally posted by devil123:
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U need guts to admit things.....
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and you need to grow up :)

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Akif:
**Originally posted by devil123:
However, Pakistani sources later confirmed the incident to NBC News.

What sources?

This statement is as ambigious as NBC saying, ‘this could not be verified through independent sources’.

Well it says its confirmed by pakistani sources which is different form saying

‘this could not be verified through independent sources’.

The drone, which takes aerial photographs, was flying nearly three miles inside the Indian territory,

It went 3 miles across a Line of control laced with weapons, and wasnt detected or hit till it was so far inside?

Do u know what a drone is…laced with weapons

The official denial was an effort to avoid raising tension further between the two sides, they told NBC.

What a moronic statement coming from NBC. On the one hand, the sources say that the ‘denial was to avoid tensions’, and on the other and they are admitting it?

Peene ke bad mein sach bol diya hoga …

U need guts to admit things…

We admit to whats true. A pilotless drone getting shot several miles inside India, manages to come down in Pakistani territory? How convenient for India!

Let me know if you come up with an explanation of the goofup hijacking from 1999

You explain me first if it was was a goofup what the hell is MAULANA Azhar founder of jaish-e-mohammed doing in pakistan..
Selling Indian Bhelpuri…

then the one from earlier last year. Then perhaps you can explain why the lead mastermind terrorist of the recent Parliament attacks was allowed to give an interview on national TV one day after his arrest.

Well India is a democratic country..
everyone has the freedom of speech..

Face it. India has probably the most ridiculous story writers sitting in New Dehli. Perhaps they collaborate with the ones sitting in Bombay.

yes and the drone wasn’t hit and Maulan Azhar mehmood is an indian agent ..

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/671951.asp?0dm=C15RN

   NBC’s Dawna Friesen reported from Islamabad that Pakistani sources speaking on condition of anonymity admitted that the drone belonged to Pakistan. The official denial was an effort to avoid raising tension further between the two sides, they told NBC.
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[quote]
Originally posted by who---me:
LMAO at **Pakistani sources speaking on condition of anonymity admitted that the drone belonged

yeah right!

these anonymous sources speak too much dont they?

Yes indeed they do ...Better alert Mushy

and you need to grow up :)**
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Out of ideas..Bolti band ho gayi

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Originally posted by devil123:
Well it says its confirmed by pakistani sources which is different form saying

Well, the official military spokesman of Pak Army denied it. The only possible folks who could have any knowledge of it would be Pak army personnel, and I dont think NBC has an iota worth of access to Pak army personnel.

Do u know what a drone is…laced with weapons

kaka I know what a drone is. And the ‘laced with weapons’ was in reference to the Line of Control..not the drone.
The LOC is stuffed with radars and anti aircraft crap, and they couldnt detect a slow moving drone till it was that deep within indian territory? BS.

Peene ke bad mein sach bol diya hoga …

Is that the best you could come up with?

Well India is a democratic country..
everyone has the freedom of speech..

If so, then why not allow foreign media to go into Kashmir?

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[quote]
Originally posted by devil123:
**i meant for indians...Even anti indian organisations like jklf have freedom of speech in indian terriotory..

and we don't treat them like the MQM leader altaf hussian**
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You certainly don't treat them like Altaf Hussain, because you kill them and your brave jawans rape their women and kill their children. Ask people in occupied Kashmir.

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My initial reaction was that I never knew Pakistan even had drones… so I am impressed.

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And even if they don’t, I am sure Pak Army won’t tell us that, just to keep the Indians under some pressure of the unknown. Lets keep them focussed on finding another noisy small drone. Good eye exercise.

And if it was not a Pakistani drone, then either a Kashmiri kid was flying his remote-control fighter bought back by Abba from Dubai, or it was an Indian drone, shot down (or just decided it had enuf).

Either way, no sweat. Whats the hooplah about?

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Its a war, folks, and drones, and planes and soldiers get shot at. In my list of priorities, commiserating the downing of a drone is probably the lowest.

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Indian Ministry of Defence denies shooting down Pakistani UAV

The Pakistani pilotless spy plane which flew for over 15 minutes in Indian airspace on Sunday was not shot down, contrary to initial Indian claims. In fact, the Ministry of Defence is not even sure that the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was hit.
“There was an intrusion, and the Pakistani UAV was engaged by Indian air defence artillery. But it wasn’t shot down. It may have been hit, but we’re not sure. Unless you get the wreckage, you don’t know what happened,” officials in the Ministry of Defence conceded.

A serious view has been taken of the delay in “engaging” the surveillance aircraft for over 15 minutes after it was spotted. Sources indicated that the inaction resulted from “confusion over the identification of the pilotless aircraft as friend or foe”.

The IAF, which scrambled jet fighters in 1996 to shoot down a similar Pakistani drone, declined to comment whether the Pakistani spy plane was spotted on its radars.

The UAV hovered unchallenged over Indian military locations up to 10 km inside Indian airspace, across the Betar Nullah in the Poonch sector, where there’s significant troop deployment. It was an embarrassing Sunday for the Indian Army, as its own UAV crashed soon after take-off at Chatta, 10 km from Jammu.

The UAVs are used for battlefield surveillance to provide commanders with high-resolution imaging to plan tactical strikes. The sensors, radars and cameras on board these remotely controlled aircraft fill in the blanks by providing real time images of rival formations, without the risks which a crew of a manned flight would incur.

Pakistan has an edge over India in UAVs. It’s Vector Mk-2 model has a snooping range of about 200 km, a flight ceiling of 15,000 feet an endurance of up to eight hours, speed ranging from 75 km to 200 km per hour and a low radar signature. It also has the Nishan, Hornet, Bravo and Vision-1 variants.

India has the Israeli Hunter Searcher-1 UAVs, and a limited number of the indigenously produced Nishant. It was forced to import the Israeli Searcher-2 drones during the Kargil conflict.

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Haha thats funny, this event is based on India.....things happens then doesn't.

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NBC’s Dawna Friesen reported from Islamabad that Pakistani sources speaking on condition of anonymity admitted that the drone belonged to Pakistan. The official denial was an effort to avoid raising tension further between the two sides, they told NBC.

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If Indians shot or crashed their own drone thn don’t be surprised its normal practice. They have been crashing one every 15 days. The following is a list of crashes in 2001.

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JDW claims in 9 years Indians crashed 225 planes Indians dispute that claim, they say 176… hehehehe Even by Indian standards its not bad at this rate na rahey ga bance na bajey gey bansuri…

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/Crashes/crash2001.html

17 Jan 2001: MiG-27M Crashes at Cooch Behar Dist, WB, Flt Lt Shrivatsava Ejects
30 Jan 2001: Army Chetak Crashes at Vaishnodevi, HP Killing Brig R Sehgal
10 Feb 2001: MiG-21 Crashes near Nal, Gujarat, Fg Off A S Gill Killed
23 Feb 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Sontipur Dist, Assam, Sqn Ldr Y M Ram Killed
26 Feb 2001: Mi-8 Crashes at Subhansiri Dist, Assam, Six Crew Killed
12 Mar 2001: MiG-23BN Crashes at Sangrur Dist, Punjab, Sqn Ldr M Vishwas Bails out safely
21 Mar 2001: Mi-8 Chopper Crash near Bangalore, KN, Five Crew Killed
28 Mar 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Nurpur, HP, Fg Off S Grover Ejects Safely
10 Apr 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Gulmarg, J & K, Flt Lt P K Arun Killed
03 May 2001: Kiran Crashes at Madras TN , Sqn Ldr S Gaur Killed
06 May 2001: MiG-21 Crashes during Exercise in Rajasthan, Fg Off A Sharma Killed
08 May 2001: Kiran Crashes near Dundigal AP, Flt Cdt Sishir Sukhant Ejects safely
25 May 2001: Naval Sea Harrier Crashes in Goa, Lt Cdr V Menon Ejects safely
25 May 2001: Mi-35 forcelands at Badgam, J & K . Crew Safe
08 Jun 2001: MiG-21 Crashes in HP, Pilot Ejects
04 July 2001: MiG-29 Crashes in Hoshiarpur, Punjab Sqn Ldr Sandeep Mehra Killed
05 July 2001: MiG-23UM Crashes in Rajasthan Sqn Ldr Gaikwad and Fg Off Hudda Bail out.
24 July 2001: Mi-8 Crashes outskirts of Bangalore - Four Injured
28 Aug 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Sonitpur Assam - Fg Off A Bansal dies of wounds
17 Sep 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Bikaner - Flt Lt A Gadgil killed
19 Sep 2001: Naval Kamov-28 Helicopter missing off Goa
26 Sep 2001: MiG-21 Crashes at Punjab - Pilot Sardanand ejects, one on ground killed
25 Oct 2001: Jaguar crashes near in UP - Flt Lt Romesh Varma ejects
12 Dec 2001: MiG-21 crashes near at Uttarlai - Sqn Ldr Madhukar Seth killed

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Indian planes crashing to the ground, Indian soldiers blowing themselves up sky-high? whats going on??

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Their Navy must be getting jealous by now.

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Oh, so u mean, any day now we will hear that an Indian submarine has sunk one of their frigates, or maybe the othwer way round (who cares!)?

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MJ you are the only one who doesn’t care, as you rather see the country down the tube than anywhere else.

Ouch that bad for the indiang govt.
They are killing their own people.
Now that is what you call population control!

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Rvikz please read what the indian govt has to say, they can’t be lying now could they?

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Ours is but to do and die

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Good stats Abdali, they certainly have an impressive record, I hope they keep it up!!

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Pak made UAVs
http://www.satuma.com.pk/

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Thanks Abdali for the info.
Very interesting indeed.

Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die