Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
Dose not matter if they are supported by USA or not or any country.
Killing innocent cant be justified in any religion and society.
Ppl who do in my opinion are not human.
Two wrong dose not make it right
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The ramblings of a person that loses the argument and tries desperately to make anything stick. If all else fails then launch personal attacks and attempt character assassination. Delusional, retard, sad, mental asylum having these words used against me tells me of the merit of your argument.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
These are your words not mine:
**CIA has spies in TTP
Of course USA has spies in various terrorist groups
**and what exactly are these agents doing in terrorists organisations if not committing terrorism?
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ps I am still waiting for that link to the document, that you state was fake. It cannot be hard for you to provide the link.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
These are your words not mine:
**CIA has spies in TTP
Of course USA has spies in various terrorist groups
**and what exactly are these agents doing in terrorists organisations if not committing terrorism?
LOL. Now come on, thats really stupid Arshad, even by your standards.
So it is a fact that during the Cold War, there were Soviet spies in the US, spying for the USSR. By your logic, those spies were actually Capitalists! infact THE USSR, by virtue of the fact that their spies were infiltrating a capitalist country, must also have been supporting the US!
You see how dumb that sounds? Because the US has spies in the Taliban, those spies must also support the Taliban, and because the US has spies among the Taliban, the US must also support the Taliban! WHY would the US need spies to oversee the Taliban if the US controls the Taliban?!?!?!?!
I mean, your apparently well educated judging from your english, but you really arent all there, up there.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
These are your words not mine:
**CIA has spies in TTP
Of course USA has spies in various terrorist groups
**and what exactly are these agents doing in terrorists organisations if not committing terrorism?
THE CLUE IS IN THE NAME, THEY ARE SPYING, SPIES SPY SHOCK HORROR
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
LOL. Now come on, thats really stupid Arshad, even by your standards.
So it is a fact that during the Cold War, there were Soviet spies in the US, spying for the USSR. By your logic, those spies were actually Capitalists! infact THE USSR, by virtue of the fact that their spies were infiltrating a capitalist country, must also have been supporting the US!
You see how dumb that sounds? Because the US has spies in the Taliban, those spies must also support the Taliban, and because the US has spies among the Taliban, the US must also support the Taliban! WHY would the US need spies to oversee the Taliban if the US controls the Taliban?!?!?!?!
I mean, your apparently well educated judging from your english, but you really arent all there, up there.
You finally admit that CIA has terrorists within TTP although you call them spies. We seem to be making slow progress. If a spy is a member of a terrorist organisation that means he is a terrorist and taking part in terrorism.
Then you state that the reason for CIA having terrorists in TTP is to destroy the organisation. However there is no evidence that the organisation is being destroyed. In fact it is carrying out more terrorism than ever before. Upto 3,500 people have been killed by drone strikes yet TTP has more capability now than it ever did before. So your claim of CIA wishing to destroy TTP are false if anything the opponents of TTP have been eliminated which only strengthens the TTP.
Then you try to confuse the issue with saying that having terrorists inside TTP is the same as trying to get information about the Soviets during cold war. The difference was that one was limited to information gathering, which now is done largely electronically anyway but the support for TTP actually involves murder, terrorism, financial and logistics support, elimination of their opponents and creating instability in a country that is supposed to be an ally. It weakens the state that you pretend that you want to strengthen and support. Do you actually weaken it first and then coming like a hero and say that we are the saviour of the nation?
Then you end with trying to ridicule me and then end with trying to scare us that Pakistan is now facing blowback. So is the CIA support for TTP an attempt to frighten Pakistan and to get it to change its policies using the bogey of blowback? That would also explain why TTP is doing silly things like trying to attack Malala, destroying schools, killings innocents, that only create more hate for it each day amongst the public. So is the plan to create so much violence that people get fed up and say enough is enough? So is the blood of Pakistani people so cheap that it is being used to further the agenda of the US?
We are getting there slowly. You have admitted that TTP is supported by CIA. Then you go on to justify CIA support by saying that:
a) It allows CIA to get informatiuon about future attacks
b) Drone strikes become effective as a result of having CIA agents inside TTP.
However you admit that TTP is still active due to according to you lack of sufficient drone strikes to eliminate TTP.
Despite having admitted CIA involvement in TTP you don't think that CIA is a terrorist organisation.
I don't think that I need to add anything further to your views, except that there is a difference between FBI having an agent within a Mafia Organisation, and CIA having agents in a terrorist organisation. The difference is that FBI agent is not above the law, he cannot indulge in criminality or murder without being held to account by the law of the land. CIA terrorists are free to commit murder, explode bombs and indulge in terrorism. CIA is above law. They are doing this in a sovereign country, that is supposed to be an ally makes it worse. They are doing it in a country that fought for them, and for peanuts made them the sole superpower is worse. They are now destabilising a country that won the cold war for them. That has been struggling for more than 3 decades, with the blowback froms it support of the US. Even now without Pakistani support, the US would not be able to stay in Afghanistan. In return it has got terrorism, its economy has been weakened, its citzens have been killed, its institutions have been weakened. On the one hand you are killing our people with drones, on the other through terrorism and the rest through poverty. You have installed a corrupt puppet regime in Pakistan that been both incompetent and corrupt, that has mismanaged the economy, looted the national wealth and increased poverty and inflation. The IMF has given them billions in loans which they knew would be looted and in return Pakistan has compromised its soverignity, so the US does not need to attack Pakistan and can just destroy in economically.
Your claims that having CIA terrorists within TTP allows CIA to get information about future attacks would seem true only if terrorism was significantly reduced or eliminated, however terrorism has only increased so your claim does not seem to be true. So CIA agents aren't stopping future attacks they are making them more likely.
You also claim that drones strikes become effective due to CIA having terrorists agents. This would be true if terrorism was reduced but terrorism is only increasing. Out of upto 3,500 killed in drone strikes you have stated only 2 TTP members as having been killed. So CIA drones are not killing TTP terrorists.
Pakistan does have a lot of problems but the nation is resilient and capable of dealing with its own issues and addressing them. If the US cannot help Pakistan then at least it should not try to create further problems for Pakistan.
I have no doubt that as soon as the US leaves Afghanista,n then terrorism in Pakistan would also disappear as the centre of gravity of terrorism would disappear. If any other nation had been through what Pakistan has been through as a result of fighting the US's wars twice then they would have been destroyed by now. Pakistan is also close to destruction not through some external threat by internally through US sponsored terrorism and through US supported corrupt regime in power.
CIA has agents inside TTP but is not supporting TTP? Do these militants iinside TTP not carry out murders, exploding bombs and killing people? Do they not decide on which targets to attack? Do they not recruit and train other members? Do they not provide logistical support to other members? Do these agents not help to raise funds for TTP?
We are not talking about 1 or 2 agents here were are talking about dozens.
[INDENT]Raymond Davis kills two Pakistanis.
Shakil Afridi who was recruited by CIA assists the CIA in a covert operation inside Pakistan.
CIA supports TTP that kills Pakistanis.
Drones kill opponents of TTP and kill innocents and indulges in extra judicial killings.
DEVGRU carries out an operation inside Pakistan by violating the sovereignty of Pakistan and killing people inside Pakistan.
US forces attack Salala and kill Pakistani soldiers.
US installs Zardari in power and kill countless people through poverty.
If Pakistan was to do any of these things in the US then your attitude would be very different.
TTP is a sworn enemy? That despite having agents inside it that you cannot destroy it? You cannot use your drones against it? That you only eliminate its rivals?
If the CIA terrorists have not been able to destroy TTP then what have they been doing inside TTP for the last several years? Murders, bombing, recruitment, training, Funding?
Stop backtracking again. You accepted that CIA has agents inside various terrorists organisation. On the one hand you are waging WOT but on the other supporting terrorists organisations. Why has TTP gone from strength to strength in several years despite have many CIA terrorists within this organisation?
How long does it take for dozens of CIA terrorists within TTP to inform CIA who the other terrorists are within TTP? Drones can fly unseen and take real time images. So why are they not destroying TTP. 3,500 killed by drones and yet TTP has gone from strength to strength.
How do you direct drone strikes if you don't have any agents on the ground in TTP?
Were CIA agents in Nicaragua and Laos also just spying or were they sponsoring terrorism?
CIA has agents inside TTP, who are carrying out killings, bombings, recruiting new people, training recruits, providing logistics and providing funding and yet you still say that CIA is not supporting TTP.
Also TTP have gained strength and drones which rely on CIA agents on the ground posing at TTP terrorists are only eliminating the opponents of TTP. [/INDENT]
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
You are an absolute nut.
This is your train of thought
CIA is a spy Agency
And thus it must have spies in TTP
If it has spies in TTP that means it must control TTP and run the TTP
You need medical help
But Keep Rambling…
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
You finally admit that CIA has terrorists within TTP although you call them spies. We seem to be making slow progress. If a spy is a member of a terrorist organisation that means he is a terrorist and taking part in terrorism.
Then you state that the reason for CIA having terrorists in TTP is to destroy the organisation. However there is no evidence that the organisation is being destroyed. In fact it is carrying out more terrorism than ever before. Upto 3,500 people have been killed by drone strikes yet TTP has more capability now than it ever did before. So your claim of CIA wishing to destroy TTP are false if anything the opponents of TTP have been eliminated which only strengthens the TTP.
Then you try to confuse the issue with saying that having terrorists inside TTP is the same as trying to get information about the Soviets during cold war. The difference was that one was limited to information gathering, which now is done largely electronically anyway but the support for TTP actually involves murder, terrorism, financial and logistics support, elimination of their opponents and creating instability in a country that is supposed to be an ally. It weakens the state that you pretend that you want to strengthen and support. Do you actually weaken it first and then coming like a hero and say that we are the saviour of the nation?
Then you end with trying to ridicule me and then end with trying to scare us that Pakistan is now facing blowback. So is the CIA support for TTP an attempt to frighten Pakistan and to get it to change its policies using the bogey of blowback? That would also explain why TTP is doing silly things like trying to attack Malala, destroying schools, killings innocents, that only create more hate for it each day amongst the public. So is the plan to create so much violence that people get fed up and say enough is enough? So is the blood of Pakistani people so cheap that it is being used to further the agenda of the US?
We are getting there slowly. You have admitted that TTP is supported by CIA. Then you go on to justify CIA support by saying that: a) It allows CIA to get informatiuon about future attacks b) Drone strikes become effective as a result of having CIA agents inside TTP.
However you admit that TTP is still active due to according to you lack of sufficient drone strikes to eliminate TTP.
Despite having admitted CIA involvement in TTP you don't think that CIA is a terrorist organisation.
I don't think that I need to add anything further to your views, except that there is a difference between FBI having an agent within a Mafia Organisation, and CIA having agents in a terrorist organisation. The difference is that FBI agent is not above the law, he cannot indulge in criminality or murder without being held to account by the law of the land. CIA terrorists are free to commit murder, explode bombs and indulge in terrorism. CIA is above law. They are doing this in a sovereign country, that is supposed to be an ally makes it worse. They are doing it in a country that fought for them, and for peanuts made them the sole superpower is worse. They are now destabilising a country that won the cold war for them. That has been struggling for more than 3 decades, with the blowback froms it support of the US. Even now without Pakistani support, the US would not be able to stay in Afghanistan. In return it has got terrorism, its economy has been weakened, its citzens have been killed, its institutions have been weakened. On the one hand you are killing our people with drones, on the other through terrorism and the rest through poverty. You have installed a corrupt puppet regime in Pakistan that been both incompetent and corrupt, that has mismanaged the economy, looted the national wealth and increased poverty and inflation. The IMF has given them billions in loans which they knew would be looted and in return Pakistan has compromised its soverignity, so the US does not need to attack Pakistan and can just destroy in economically.
Your claims that having CIA terrorists within TTP allows CIA to get information about future attacks would seem true only if terrorism was significantly reduced or eliminated, however terrorism has only increased so your claim does not seem to be true. So CIA agents aren't stopping future attacks they are making them more likely.
You also claim that drones strikes become effective due to CIA having terrorists agents. This would be true if terrorism was reduced but terrorism is only increasing. Out of upto 3,500 killed in drone strikes you have stated only 2 TTP members as having been killed. So CIA drones are not killing TTP terrorists.
Pakistan does have a lot of problems but the nation is resilient and capable of dealing with its own issues and addressing them. If the US cannot help Pakistan then at least it should not try to create further problems for Pakistan.
I have no doubt that as soon as the US leaves Afghanista,n then terrorism in Pakistan would also disappear as the centre of gravity of terrorism would disappear. If any other nation had been through what Pakistan has been through as a result of fighting the US's wars twice then they would have been destroyed by now. Pakistan is also close to destruction not through some external threat by internally through US sponsored terrorism and through US supported corrupt regime in power. CIA has agents inside TTP but is not supporting TTP? Do these militants iinside TTP not carry out murders, exploding bombs and killing people? Do they not decide on which targets to attack? Do they not recruit and train other members? Do they not provide logistical support to other members? Do these agents not help to raise funds for TTP?
We are not talking about 1 or 2 agents here were are talking about dozens. [INDENT]Raymond Davis kills two Pakistanis.
Shakil Afridi who was recruited by CIA assists the CIA in a covert operation inside Pakistan.
CIA supports TTP that kills Pakistanis.
Drones kill opponents of TTP and kill innocents and indulges in extra judicial killings.
DEVGRU carries out an operation inside Pakistan by violating the sovereignty of Pakistan and killing people inside Pakistan.
US forces attack Salala and kill Pakistani soldiers.
US installs Zardari in power and kill countless people through poverty.
If Pakistan was to do any of these things in the US then your attitude would be very different.
TTP is a sworn enemy? That despite having agents inside it that you cannot destroy it? You cannot use your drones against it? That you only eliminate its rivals?
If the CIA terrorists have not been able to destroy TTP then what have they been doing inside TTP for the last several years? Murders, bombing, recruitment, training, Funding?
Stop backtracking again. You accepted that CIA has agents inside various terrorists organisation. On the one hand you are waging WOT but on the other supporting terrorists organisations. Why has TTP gone from strength to strength in several years despite have many CIA terrorists within this organisation?
How long does it take for dozens of CIA terrorists within TTP to inform CIA who the other terrorists are within TTP? Drones can fly unseen and take real time images. So why are they not destroying TTP. 3,500 killed by drones and yet TTP has gone from strength to strength.
How do you direct drone strikes if you don't have any agents on the ground in TTP?
Were CIA agents in Nicaragua and Laos also just spying or were they sponsoring terrorism?
CIA has agents inside TTP, who are carrying out killings, bombings, recruiting new people, training recruits, providing logistics and providing funding and yet you still say that CIA is not supporting TTP.
Also TTP have gained strength and drones which rely on CIA agents on the ground posing at TTP terrorists are only eliminating the opponents of TTP. [/INDENT]
No no... The only progress thats made is to show how disconnected from reality you are... Have you considered medication? I actually i know another Arshed who is on medication.
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[note]closing this thread, it's going no where[/note]