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We didn’t kick Queen Victoria’s arse to be ruled by dictators.
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We lost against Queen Victoria. It's King George we kicked out.
^you only kick women around?
I believe conspiracy theorists like Mansur Ejaz are going around saying Mush staged the whole attack....apparently creating the MMA wasn't enough to win US aid lol.
I am guessing A la Zia on this one. Sophisticated bomb, no clue what happened and why . US prescence in the country. hmm....very familar setting...
I have two points to make here
(i) Are the forensics report on the bomb out?. Was it on a timer? Or was there a human in the loop? If so, why thirty seconds too late? That's a lot of distance, if the convoy was moving quickly. This will clear the fog a little on whether it was a staged one or a missed terror attack.
(ii) If it was indeed a terrorist attack, US is to share the blame. Inspite of change in policies here and there, Musharraf has convinced most of Pakistanis that he is doing it for their betterment, so there is little chance that domestic disgruntlement is the cause. However, in both Pakistan and neighbouring Afghanistan, West (US) is relying too much on individuals, preferring to deal with presidents they can trust, rather than building firm foundations for the future. Both Musharraf and Afghan President Hamid Karzai have been the target of bullets or bombs from Islamic extremists in the last two years, experts believe they are one of the most threatened leaders from Al Qaeda terrorists. If either man were killed tomorrow, there is little doubt that a political vacuum would be created -- this fact alone makes them a target for the extremists who hope to reap a reward. The U.S. is basically putting all its hopes in General Musharraf and has built an alliance not with Pakistan but with Musharraf the person
So, either Musharraf is trying to woo US even more and trying to show them how dangerous it has become to work for them, or he has become too close to US, for terrorists (Al Qaeda) to target him.
That still leaves the third option of domestic fanatics, who are opposed to his policies.
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If so, why thirty seconds too late? That's a lot of distance, if the convoy was moving quickly. This will clear the fog a little on whether it was a staged one or a missed terror attack.
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Reportedly Musharraf's Limo has a jamming device installed which 'jams' the common frequencies for detonation devices/remote controls. That piece of equipment saved his life.
The convoy does move quickly and for once i'm thankful they hold all traffic so even after it had moved there was no civilian traffic therefore no other casualties.
They are keeping domestic terrorism by the banned militant groups as the primary suspects..
Nice show... Too bad it failed to make the headlines as Musharraf wanted it to do so... Thanks to the Saddam capture.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EL19Df05.html
Immediately after the blast, the government’s Press Information Department sprang into action, running from one television channel to the other and from one newspaper office to the other trying to convince the staff that the “assassination attempt” was even bigger news than the arrest of Saddam Hussein, so the story should not be downplayed.
And in the days since the incident, Inter-Services Public Relations and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) have been only too willing to call journalists to their offices for briefings, during which they are urged to portray Pakistan as a country “under siege by extremists” and told that a “new monster of extremist” is about to rise.
Not everyone, though, is as quick to make such judgments. A source assigned to a “high strategic position” spoke to Asia Times Online on condition of anonymity, and painted a rather different picture.
Based on this information, the security source who spoke to Asia Times Online is adamant that the latest “assassination” attempt was in fact carefully stage-managed by Musharraf’s close staff - and at his instigation.
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Reportedly Musharraf's Limo has a jamming device installed which 'jams' the common frequencies for detonation devices/remote controls. That piece of equipment saved his life.
The convoy does move quickly and for once i'm thankful they hold all traffic so even after it had moved there was no civilian traffic therefore no other casualties.
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So, the convoy got past the bridge and the bomber kept squeezing the trigger? :D
next time they will use wires, or better still, the real jehadi hi-tech - The Donkey Bomb.
that must be true jus to convince the americans that he is the best bet available n he is absolutely necessary at this juncture!
If this was all just a set-up to invite attention to Musharraf (which I very much doubt it was) then it surely has done just that. Look at the jealous Indian’s (who tremble at the mention of Musharraf’s name) posting in this thread. 
Long live President Musharraf, a man so respected at home and abroad, that it leaves the poor Indian’s whining incessantly. :k:
As far as India is concerned, long live Pak-US friendship (if this is friendship). Even pakistanis know that the friendship is based on the prerequisite that as long as Pakistan does what US wants and not on give and take basis.
yeah musharraf assisanation attempt was staged, and so were attacks on indian govt offices, and so were those on the WTC?
any other conspiracies?
oh yeah JFK and Elvis are alive and well and currentlyhangign with Tupac and Santa..
Yeh, Fraudia the trouble with conspiracy theories is that they are hard to prove, and those who go around doing the accusing usually cannot back their accuastions up with the facts, as in this case.
P.S. I still believe that JFK was killed by the FBI/CIA/Cuban exiles/military industrial complex/mafia/ Russians and other assorted groups. :D
Fraudia, forget the conspiracy theories, just think about the Pakistani President. He is a clever man, he knows how to draw money from the US. All it takes is one manuevre, convincing enough to scare the US. The word on the street right now (and the ministers) is that an agreement on Kashmir would be reached. Lets hope its not true.
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Yeh, Fraudia the trouble with conspiracy theories is that they are hard to prove, and those who go around doing the accusing usually cannot back their accuastions up with the facts, as in this case.
P.S. I still believe that JFK was killed by the FBI/CIA/Cuban exiles/military industrial complex/mafia/ Russians and other assorted groups. :D
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mallik dont they check the bridges beofore motocade passes
that is simple security measure?
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mallik dont they check the bridges beofore motocade passes
that is simple security measure?
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I am sure they did rvikz, but you know how resourceful terrorists are?
Isn't it surprising: all these so-called attacks on Mushy never ever produce a single casualty anywhere? The explosions are always conveniently and safely out of range. Wonder if Mushy himself presses the button?
Does anybody really think it logical that terrorist(or whoever they are) couldn't blow the bridge while the motorcade was passing on tbe bridge (because of anti-jamming on the cars, or whatever) and chose to blew 500 lb of explosive, much after the motorcade passes (i.e., when there was no way it was going to impact on the motorcade at all).
Must be a really naive terrorist cell, exposing themselves (and their intentions and plans) knowing fully well that it is not going to effect anyone after the motorcade passes through).
Smells fishy.
Of course he is. He’s a general, Pres. of Pakistan, and a former SSG. He’s supposed to be clever. He has to be clever to run a country. What kind of a comment was that. 
He does? How do you know that? Last I remember, people were actually criticising him for not doing exactly the same.
Are you thinking straight? Sorry, but with comments like that, I have to ask. US scared? of what, exactly? You must be mistaking American resources with uganda’s. If they can’t get what they want from Musharraf, they’ll get it from the next in line, Gen. Aziz.
You don’t want an agreement on Kashmir? What do you want then? Another 50 years of conflict? Musharraf has said we’re ready to forgo our stated position, which is what its going to take to resolve Kashmir. We haven’t been able to solve the issue for over 50 years with the status quo and I dont expect it can be resolved for another 50 with the same thinking. Whats most disturbing and disappointing is to see the educated class postulating such drawing room theories and then believing in those self-made theories. I mean I can understand if an Indian here says the same thing cuz these losers dont have a life or a msg forum like this so all they do is troll GS and come up with stupid stuff like this. But when an educated Pakistani starts saying stuff like this, it really becomes disturbing. You’re supposed to think for yourself, not believe in what someone says on the street.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031214/323/eh19w.html
Notice salient features - minutes after Musharraf crossed the bridge; the damage to the bridge was minor; it was clearly a terrorist attack, but not clear whether it was an assassination attempt. An extremely Soviet style of rewriting history is being attempted by Musharraf.
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A powerful explosion damaged a bridge which Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had crossed just minutes earlier, police and officials said.
No one was hurt in the blast in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, near the capital Islamabad, late on Sunday, they said.
“We are determining what caused the explosion, but there were no casualties,” city police chief Marwat Shah told AFP.
The explosion caused minor damage to the bridge, which leads to the city’s military area. The bridge is now safe, Shah added.
President Musharraf passed over the bridge just a few minutes before the explosion, Information Minister Sheikh Rasheed told AFP.
“No damage was caused,” he said, adding that the president was returning to his residence in Rawalpindi. He said the government had began an investigation.
Witnesses said army and police ringed the site of the explosion after closing the bridge for traffic.
Military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan described the explosion an act of terrorism.
**“It is clearly a terrorist act because an attempt has been to blow up the bridge,” the general told AFP.
“Whether it is an assassination attempt or not that can be said after the investigation,” he said.**
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