Pakistani Models.....

[narial]

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janab-ali and narial they both Pakistanis:clown:

[narial]

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@Sara516

I dunno if pak was prat of greece, ill gladly say i’m part greek
I think Neha is the one everyone says is the sluttiest model lolz

OKK so u part greek sara. So where is your greek dad now? does your mama know? OR?

[allycapone]

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@narial

janab-ali and narial they both Pakistanis:clown:

ya sure, and angelina jolie is Nepalese
maybe there trying too hard but they have ‘black evil hearts’ and for that matter are black & evil overall so they can never pass as Pakistanis. Too bad though, as peace will never prevail as long as these people have such ill intentions on Pakistan. and if by anychance they hold Shanakti cards to Pak, then they would unfortunately fall under the **‘5th Column’ **categorie and need to reassess their loyalty as Muslims(that is if they are)

they should read Alexander’s viewpoint on the issue when his trooped mutineered at the Beas river and refused to cross it due to fear of the ‘evilness, degradation and wickedness’ which lies in the land east of panjab or (a problem where still dealing with today!!)

even better yet read the Babur-nama, the first mughals (Babur’s) impression of India… 'India is a land of few charms, no good looks, no beauty, no manners, of baked bread there is none, no ice, no…etc.. but on the positive, many workers to be enslaved and plenty of gold- to loot ’ (these are exact quotes no BS, look it up for yourself if u dont believe it!)and he couldnt wait to return to his native ferghana valley, later on his granchildren who were half breeds became indianized and started to act and dress like them and gradually squandered the empire, with the exception of aurangzeb who tried to revitalize the empire, but it was already too late.

@Sara516I

dunno if pak was prat of greece, ill gladly say i’m part greek

havent u heard of the famous battle with Raja Porous (modern day Jhelum) also the site where his favorite horse died and is buried 20 kms from Jhelum. Alexander apparently held mass marriages in several cities of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan (peshawer, Bajaur, Taxila, Jhelum, Sialkot, Belas, Turbat, Multan and Bhimbore-near Karachi) and renamed all the cities Alexandria-Sikandarabad. Recently, the government of Greece has built 2 schools in Pakistan(Chitral and Kalash valley) in support of the greek claims and has added Pakistan to the list of worldwide countries sharing Greek heritage (macedonia, turkey, cypress, Iraq, crete, italy, spain, Iran, afghanistan, uzbekistan and now Pakistan) :)))

@cinderella

I got ur back allycapone :))

thanks hun, just got to represent Pakistan properly and let people know the true history and values of Pakistan. Sorry to go off topic i didnt mean to!:whistling

[Sara516]

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@allycapone

havent u heard of the famous battle with Raja Porous (modern day Jhelum) also the site where his favorite horse died and is buried 20 kms from Jhelum. Alexander apparently held mass marriages in several cities of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan (peshawer, Bajaur, Taxila, Jhelum, Sialkot, Belas, Turbat, Multan and Bhimbore-near Karachi) and renamed all the cities Alexandria-Sikandarabad. Recently, the government of Greece has built 2 schools in Pakistan(Chitral and Kalash valley) in support of the greek claims and has added Pakistan to the list of worldwide countries sharing Greek heritage (macedonia, turkey, cypress, Iraq, crete, italy, spain, Iran, afghanistan, uzbekistan and now Pakistan) :)))

No I haven’t, a link would be apprciated

[janab-e-ali]

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@allycapone

Crazy dream? what r u talking about.. that dream has been realized and is the worlds 7th and only Muslim nuclear power today. some dream?

Clearly youre having issues comprehending what I'm saying, so I'll try to keep things simple this time around, so even you can understand.

I never denied the existence of Pakistan. All I was saying in that post was that the concept of 'Pakistan' is a very new one (less than 60 years old) and that it makes no sense to talk about the 'history of Pakistan' prior to the 20th century.

@allycapone

And since Pakistan was made up of territories as u say, wasnt the rest of South Asia for that matter just a bunch of different territories as well. maybe bcuz ur indian this is something difficult for u to understand. were very content with our independent nation and its rich history:)

First of all, you utter and complete moron, I'm Pakistani.

Secondly, I never claimed that what's now India wasnt initially made up of a number of different territories. As far as I'm concerned, India is also an artificial, post-colonial construct. Please dont put words in my mouth.

@allycapone

so when the kushun's(a central asian peoples) and the gupta made their empires werent they artificial entities too upon their creation or does ur logic apply to Pakistan only.

No, the Kushans and Guptas (and Mauryas and Lodhis and Mughals, etc) were all imperialist states. Also, see my comments on India above.

@allycapone

ur statements is incorrect, during the campaigns of Xerses and Darius(of the Persian empire-which u probably dont know of

Actually, darling, I have a degree with higest honors from one of the world's most prestigious Middle Eastern studies departments, so I'd keep my mouth shut if I were you.

@allycapone

ur statements is incorrect, during the campaigns of Xerses and Darius(of the Persian empire-which u probably dont know of the borders were extended upto the Beas/Sutlej rivers of Panjab and the Thar desert in Sind(the modern border of Pakistan/India)

I'm aware of that. I also know that the era you speak of was around 500bc. Go check my post. I'm talking about the history of the Indus Valley after 300bc. How far back do you want to go to prove your ridiculous point?

@allycapone

Also during the Afghan empire(refer to attached map) the border was also the same with the inclusion of Amritsar and the Jullundar Doab regions

Great.

Unfortunately, as I'm sure even you already know, the Afghan Empire you speak of was incredibly short lived...it really only occupied a couple decades between the twilight of Mughal authority and the rise of the British Raj...both of which united those Indus Valley territories to mainland India. Are you saying that 10 or 20 years of of separation completely changed the cultural trends established over 2000 years of contiguity with India???

Also, go back and check my post. My arguement was that the Indus Valley has been united with mainland India for most, not all, of its history following 300bc. I still stand by my statement, and youve miserably failed to disprove it.

@allycapone

I dont have hatred of hindustanis, the share a rich history with Pakistan

Youre contradicting yourself. Your whole claim has been that Pakistan has a distinct cultural heritage and history from Hindustan.

@allycapone

and many of the forebearers of the Pakistani movement came from norther India and Hyderabad in the south.

Actually, most (not just 'many') came from North India & Hyderabad.

@allycapone

Their sacrifices for Pakistan is what helped prop up the nation for the first few decades after independence, hence the honorific title 'Mohajir' (in reference to those Muslims of Arabia) which was bestowed upon them. Mohajir and Hindustani are however, no longer synonymous, maybe cuz the fact that ur an indian u cant understand that, but come to Karachi and ask the original mohajirs and they'll be the first to tell u that they are different. they would quite frankly, take offense

Again, moron, I'm Pakistani.

Secondly, I am of Mohajir descent, so please dont lecture me on what we do and dont take offense to.

Thirdly, I never claimed that we consider ourselves to be Indian. However, we do recognize that our cultural heritage is very North Indian, and we do often identify by our places of origin in India (Hyderabadi, Bhopali, Lakhnavi, Bihari, etc). No one I know, including my grandparents who actually made the trip from India, takes offense at this fact.

Fourthly, its rather ironic that you talk about the difference between Mohajir and Hindustani, when in the early years of Pakistan, many Mohajir families identified themselves as 'Hindustani' as a means of distinguishing their origins and cultural heritage.

@allycapone

Whats this, some kinda reverse racism, everyone knows, that persian was being spoken as a 'lingua franca'in NWFP, Balochistan, Panjab & SInd for continuous periods lasting much longer than in the few cities of northern india(delhi, agra) so ur statement is unfounded

You dont know what youre talking about.

Persian was introduced as a language of administation during the Delhi sultanate. Most of the courts that used it were located in what is now North India.

@allycapone

yes of course, the literacy rate of Pakistan at independence was <8% so I dont know what educated class ur talking about in Pakistan(with the exception of the few Nawabs, Mirs) who by the way retained persian as their court language,

Like I said before, the educated classes in Punjab...the bureaucrats and civil servants...all spoke Urdu. Outside of Punjab, there wasnt much of a native, Muslim buraucratic class at all...but the Punjabi civil servants, and the educated migrants from India, all spoke Urdu.

Also, just so you know, the role of Persian in South Asia had gone into decline with the end of Mughal rule. By the 20th century, Urdu (and English) had basically replaced Persian as the lingua franca of the educated elite in most of North India.

@allycapone

Again ur ignorance, qaumi and zaban are 'proper' persian words dude, if u dont know what ur talking about, you shouldnt even bother discussin them at all. It would be better if u just kept quiet now.

I speak Persian. I know qaumi and zaban are both borrowed from Persian. And Persian in turn borrowed the word qaum from Arabic.

They are not, however, words from native Pakistani languages (the ones you claim the imposition of Urdu is destroying). I was just recommending that you use 'proper' Punjabi or Sindhi (or whatever the hell your 'native' language is) to vent your frustrations about Urdu...instead of these foreign Urdu/Persian/Arabic words.

@allycapone

Pakistani Urdu is subtly different from hindustani urdu in terms of syntax, idioms and proverbs; though I agree that in essence Pak Urdu and Hindi/Hindustani Urdu are still similar, Pakistani urdu is gradually having a distinct touch to it which differentiates it from Indian urdu.

And again, having both Indian & Pakistani relatives (being Mojajir and all) I'm telling you, real Karachi Urdu is vitually indistinguishable from North Indian Urdu. Its only when people like Punjabis and Sindhis try to speak that you can identify them as speaking a more 'Pakistani' version of the language, if thats what you want to call it.

@allycapone

Pakistans great ethnic diversity is great when it is just that, diversity. not one sided promotion. I dont have a problem with those outfits u mentioned but Pakistanis want to promote such things that further enhance and strenghthen their culture to grow. other than that, I dont got a problem with anykind of clothes!

Pakistan has more than one culture. There is no such thing as 'Pakistani' culture just as there is no such thing as 'Indian' culture or 'Desi' culture. For you to denounce saris as un-Pakistani is ridiculous, as many Pakistanis consider them to be their traditonal outfit.

@allycapone

that was in 1947, its 2006 now, times have changed and people now strive to be something unique and identifiable as their own; in those days it wasnt an issue, now, people are amalgamating Pakistani culture more so than ever.

You mean to tell me that in 1947, as Pakistan was coming out from a lengthy struggle to justify its existence (which no one knew better than Fatima Jinnah), and to show that Indian Muslims needed a seperate nation...in those cirumstances, people didnt feel the need to demonstrate that Pakistan had a unique identity.

Thats perhaps the most ridiculous thing youve said.

@allycapone

If u see someone on the streets of London, NY or Dubai in a sari, where is the first place u think they are from??

Well, considering the fact that I have plenty of relatives in Pakistan who only wear saris, I wouldnt assume anything...just like how if I saw a woman walking around in a shalvar kameez in New York, I wouldnt automatically assume she's Pakistani.

[janab-e-ali]

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@allycapone

they should read Alexander’s viewpoint on the issue when his trooped mutineered at the Beas river and refused to cross it due to fear of the ‘evilness, degradation and wickedness’ which lies in the land east of panjab or (a problem where still dealing with today!!)

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thats right…base your opinions on entire races on the bigoted observations of foreign imperialists. While youre at it…why dont you quote Mountbatten on the Qaid?

@allycapone

even better yet read the Babur-nama, the first mughals (Babur’s) impression of India… 'India is a land of few charms, no good looks, no beauty, no manners, of baked bread there is none, no ice, no…etc.. but on the positive, many workers to be enslaved and plenty of gold- to loot ’ (these are exact quotes no BS, look it up for yourself if u dont believe it!)and he couldnt wait to return to his native ferghana valley, later on his granchildren who were half breeds became indianized and started to act and dress like them and gradually squandered the empire, with the exception of aurangzeb who tried to revitalize the empire, but it was already too late.

Have you ever read the Baburnama? I have.

Babur made that very famous quote when he was discussing the merits of Hindustan, not the modern nation of India. And most of the parts of his memoirs dealing with his South Asian conquests were written during his campaigns in Punjab. So there’s a pretty good chance he was talking about our very own pak sar zameen when he made that comment. Way to go :thumbup:

[allycapone]

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@Sannan

**allycapone you have good knowledge on history and it remind me my student life when i was crazy abt history, it really refresh my memory and thx for valuable info … **

thanks, actually i have completed my history undergraduate degree along with basic sciences and architecture! In november I participated in 8 day archeological dig at Taxila where we saw one of the first bactrian greek metropolis ever set up in the east

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@Sannan

But remember never do argument with two kind of peoples

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@Sannan

**No. 1 Jahil like Narail **
No. 2 Aalim …

Yah I know, there just a waste of time, looks like there here to promote non-pakistani topics and indianess only. they have a warped viewpoint and see things only thru their dravidian eyes, for they will never know the true Pakistan. too bad, pakistan never rubbed off on them for they’ve remained ‘Na-paak’ so to speak. dont know why they come here to Pakistani site, seems like their in the wrong forum,poor saps, im not gonna bother anymore, even if u read all their(narail, janab-ali_) comments in other threads u’ll see a pattern developing…of hate, inferiority, indian subjugation(were all one type of comments etc..) took me a while to realize but i’ve figured it out now, thanks for the heads up though

@Sara516

No I haven’t, a link would be apprciated :clown:

there are sooo many sites and maps that u can shuffle thru, here are just a few to get you started, hope they help hun
http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_z2.html
http://www.pothos.org/alexander.asp?paraID=97

[KarachiKhan]

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I am technically mohajir too , but that is old name 50 years ago(we are khans whu came from Purana qila Delhi). We are Pakistani now and have married in Pak(sindhi, pathans, panjabi) & can speak urdu, sindhi and panjabi = little pushto still practising!!. Janab-ali and narial are hindustani, there is big difference between them and me so dont gt confused ppl. they try to pass themselves off as the same but there big diffrence. we are patriotic Pakistan and know the difference in history, culture, peple.
P.S. Pakistan people are very hospitable, cultured and beautiful unlike them.
thanks for the history update allycapone, i liked it too much! specially liked the maps:jhanda:

[janab-e-ali]

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@allycapone

Yah I know, there just a waste of time, looks like there here to promote non-pakistani topics and indianess only. they have a warped viewpoint and see things only thru their dravidian eyes, for they will never know the true Pakistan. too bad, pakistan never rubbed off on them for they've remained 'Na-paak' so to speak. dont know why they come here to Pakistani site, seems like their in the wrong forum,poor saps, im not gonna bother anymore, even if u read all their(narail, janab-ali_) comments in other threads u'll see a pattern developing...of hate, inferiority, indian subjugation(were all one type of comments etc..) took me a while to realize but i've figured it out now, thanks for the heads up though :)

Thanks for realizing I was right. I know youre having a hard time admitting you cant come up with anything to counter my claims, so you have to come up with this BS.

And lol @ you finding a pattern of hate & Indian subjugation in my posts. Care to show me some of my past 'Indian' posts??

I'm sorry you feel the need to declare anyone who doesnt agree with your ludicrous revisionist history as non-Pakistani.

[janab-e-ali]

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@KarachiKhan

I am technically mohajir too , but that is old name 50 years ago(we are khans whu came from Purana qila Delhi).

No one is 'from' Purana Qila. It was used as a refugee camp for Muslims around Delhi who were awaiting transport to Pakistan...but it wasnt anyone's ancestral home.

[cinderella80]

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@KarachiKhan

i think eveyone should ignore these morons.

I think all the normal peoples in this forum should ignor thse 2 (narial, janab-ali)dont waste your time on such foooooollllsss..
anyhow, back to the topic:
hey sara516, u mentioned that neha is your favorite but that she has bad reputation?? in pakistan if u go to mcdonalds u get a bad reputation so i wouldnt trust the rumour so much.
Allycapne, learnd a lot from u and the links but they belong in other thread and r off topic, these indnians are always trying to attach their roots to us etc so dont bother. we know the truth annd they know truth deep down inside thats why they come here n try to mix in. Just look at our models(im bringng back the topic!!!) were so much more attractive.its in our genes(part greek/persian …) :halo:

[janab-e-ali]

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@KarachiKhan

so now ur a know it all..

No…but apparently I know better than you do.

@KarachiKhan

go to ur own hindu forum narial &janab-ali whr u belongs, & do ur gross ommm shanti on some monkey statues hahaha!!!

Pakistan is much better off without ppl like u. go put a bhindi on, bark ur love for all things indian over there & get absorbed back into ur roots (somewhere in madras..)

Wow…real mature.

Just out of curiosity…what have I said in support of Hinduism? Obviously you either didnt read any of my posts, or you didnt understand them…and are now just showing your ganwaarpan to everyone.

@cinderella80

Allycapne, learnd a lot from u and the links but they belong in other thread and r off topic, these indnians are always trying to attach their roots to us etc so dont bother.

Am I seriously the only person on here who knows how to read???

@cinderella80

Just look at our models(im bringng back the topic!!!) were so much more attractive.its in our genes(part greek/persian …) :halo:

Oh please…you think youre part Greek now? Most Pakistanis are about as Greek as the Sudanese (who were also briefly ruled over by Alexander the Great almost 3000 years ago).

I’m Syed. I guess I should start saying I’m a Hijazi Arab…it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a couple of Punjabis claiming theyre Greek.

[allycapone]

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@cinderella80

should ignor thse 2 (narial, janab-ali)dont waste your time on such foooooollllsss..anyhow, back to the topic:

did that long time ago!:) should focus on pakistanis, allies and pakistaniyat only

[Sara516]

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@cinderella80

hey sara516, u mentioned that neha is your favorite but that she has bad reputation?? in pakistan if u go to mcdonalds u get a bad reputation so i wouldnt trust the rumour so much.:)

Say what? lolz.. tons of girsl go to mcdonalds, I dunno whoever says a girl who goes to mcD is a slut really needs a smack upside their paindooo dirty head

I said i heard she had a bad rep.. not that she actually does, i dont keep up with whos banging who whos doing wat drugs (paki or nonpaki models)..

[Sara516]

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ooo oooo oooo
I’m italian !!! I eat pizza and baked ziti that MUST make me Italian :fifa:

[Sannan]

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@cinderella80

], u mentioned that neha is your favorite but that she has bad reputation?? in pakistan if u go to mcdonalds u get a bad reputation so i wouldnt trust the rumour so much.halo:

**
Cinderella tell me when u visited paksitan last time ? Now no one bother to look who is on mcdonald or on pizza hut … Gilrs are there till 2 Nite and no prblem uptill my last visit of pakistan in Nov 2005 … our pakistan is now Roshan Khyal Pakistan **

[rangbaaz]

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this thread sure got some weird people in it.......

IMO i like Vaneeza Ahmed, Irooj and Imaan. they are very nice pakistani models

[ecstatickurri]

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@rangbaaz

this thread sure got some weird people in it.......

IMO i like Vaneeza Ahmed, Irooj and Imaan. they are very nice pakistani models

eh rangbaaz yahan koi weired sheired nai.bas neyki ka kaam kar rahe hain :D

[superstar]

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ANYWAYS i like sara chaudhry and i think veenas ok

[miss_saloni]

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GOOD PICS