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Btw, we may have given bases to the US at the time for limited purposes
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malik, are americans still using those bases? do you know which bases were actually given to americans? thanx in advance...
I’ve no interest in al-quaida, my interest is only confined to the tribes living to the east of the Durand line. It seems that the fools of islamabad have at last decided to co-opt rather than confront these tribes.
Iqbal Khattak:**
Co-opting the tribes by getting them to capture the fugitives and flush out Al Qaeda is a whole lot better than confronting them:**
the government’s new policy to co-opt the Waziri tribes in the hunt for Al Qaeda and its local supporters from South Waziristan is a welcome development, especially since it comes in the wake of February 29 killings of 14 civilians, an incident that caused deep resentment among the tribes against regular army troops.
The lashkar comprises the Zalikhel sub-tribe of Ahmadzais, the largest of the sub-tribes. The decision was taken during a jirga of tribal elders with the Wana deputy administrator, Rehmatullah Wazir.
To be sure, the tribe has agreed to form the 600-strong force reluctantly. The army has made it clear that it would continue operations in the area and the tribes can either cooperate or confront it. But an even more pressing reason for the modus vivendi has been the economic pressure on the tribes who have been economically isolated and are hard pressed.
The immediate objective of the force is to capture the three most wanted tribesmen, Neik Muhammad, Muhammad Sharif and Maulvi Abbas. All three are accused of sheltering Al Qaeda, according to tribal elders and a senior government official TFT spoke with. The troubled South Waziristan Agency borders Afghanistan’s restive Paktika province.
The question now is whether this force will be effective in capturing the three fugitives and also flushing out hiding Al Qaeda elements. Rehmatullah Wazir feels confident and says “There can be no more effective force in the tribal area than a tribal lashkar.”
The Zalikhel sub-tribe, regarded as the most troublesome tribe until a week ago, will hold a meeting on Thursday in the Azam Warsak bazaar to send two messages to the wanted men: “Either surrender peacefully to the administration or face the 600-man army.”
During last Wednesday’s jirga, Rehmatullah Wazir gave the Zalikhel sub-tribe two options to choose from as far as the final word on formation of the tribal army was concerned: yes or no. Either the Zalikhel tribe was to hunt down the fugitives itself or agree to the military operations.
A Wazir chieftain told TFT the tribe was given ten minutes to decide which way they wanted to go. “The Zalikhel elders took less than ten minutes to opt for the ‘yes’ option,” the source said. Asked why the sub-tribe that previously was not helping the administration arrest the wanted men succumbed to the pressure, the source said: “Economic sanctions had begun to cripple them.”
“Wednesday’s developments allow the government a golden opportunity to cut iron with iron,” a senior government official at the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) Secretariat told TFT.
Insiders say the change of policy came at the behest of the NWFP governor. Governor Syed Iftikhar Hussain Shah involved five tribal senators to convince the Wazir tribe that time was running out to save Waziristan. “They also told the Wazir tribesmen not to let the South Waziristan Agency become Afghanistan or Iraq,” said a source. The indirect reference was to possible American intervention into the area to flush out Al Qaeda elements. Incidentally, the NWFP governor, himself a former military general, was not very happy with the way things had begun to happen in the Agency. An insider says the governor finally managed to impress upon Islamabad the need to co-opt rather than confront the tribes.
Interestingly, the administration told TFT the entire operation would be undertaken by the Zalikhel sub-tribe itself. “They would not require any logistical or other support from the political administration,” says an official, though he agreed that the army and the political administration would remain in close contact with the force.
Lashkar formation is not a new phenomenon and in fact is part of the tribes’ history. Umar Wazir, a sociologist in Peshawar, told TFT that tribesmen have always fought a “common enemy” by cobbling together such lashkars. “The tribal lashkar is the most effective force to use against an even stronger adversary. A tribal proverb says a nation’s rabbit can defeat a nation’s dog. This proverb refers to the strength a lashkar possesses because of its unity of purpose,” Umar Wazir said.
The last time such lashkar was formed was twenty years ago when two tribesmen – Sheikhan and Baateh Khan – of the Zalikhel sub-tribe in the Zari Noor area had created a reign of terror by looting travellers. The lashkar besieged their houses and ordered them to surrender. They refused and in the fire exchange were killed.
“Al-Qaeda will be no more in Waziristan if the lashkar really worked with sincerity. The wanted tribesmen will have to surrender to the force or face serious consequences. Similarly, foreign elements will have to surrender or leave Waziristan to escape the force,” Umar says.
Pakistan army, shaken by the mistaken killing of 14 civilians in the Zari Noor area on February 29, is relieved by the development. “If the Lashkar can deliver without the army’s involvement that’s the best course,” a former military officer told TFT.
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Malik and Fraudai bhai loog, you guys should try stand up.
Welcome back, with yet another nickname. Afghans creating Pakistan 
thats a nice one. Afghans should first solve their own problems. They have all sorts of problems, from drugs to same sex marriages, and not to mention their internal conflicts which they should solve before even of thinking of taking over Pakistan.
And here comes the filth of the world to pollute this thread. Shame, now this thread is bound to go to hell.
Mod, can you please prevent this loser from posting in this thread. Every time some constructive debate is occurring this guy lowers the entire debate to his level. Thanks.
This is baseless, we should get over it. Those who are well educated know what the truth is.
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Afghans should first solve their own problems. They have all sorts of problems, from drugs to same sex marriages, and not to mention their internal conflicts which they should solve before even of thinking of taking over Pakistan.
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Afghanistan and Pakistan are for me like siamese twins. Pakistan is confronting almost the same problems you've mentioned for Afghanistan. We should help each other instead of putting each other down.
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Malik and Fraudai bhai loog, you guys should try stand up.
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Janaab, please rephrase this sentence so I can understand what you are trying to say, nawazish
Yeah, the winners think Afghans created Pakistan This (quote below) is what you think healthy debate is? Its rubbish (racist filth, from the scum of the world) if you ask me, and the fact that you jumped out of your facts when I brought a dose of reality to your dreams of conquering Pakistan, proves you are no better than that other lunatic. So when are you guys conquering Pakistan? LOL
Spock just stop ur nonsence. you are not really making any good comments. and lets say that we didnt participate in the war of independence of Pakistan, but it didnt appeare by itself either. so if not us then u have to agree with me that the British made Pakistan for their own interest.
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No I think the workers of the muslim league had a hand somewhere in the creation of Pakistan. It didn't happen overnight as some would like to believe.
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Spock just stop ur nonsence. you are not really making any good comments. and lets say that we didnt participate in the war of independence of Pakistan, but it didnt appeare by itself either. so if not us then u have to agree with me that the British made Pakistan for their own interest.
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Yeah, you think when I give you a dose of reality about you guys trying to conquer Pakistan, thats 'nonsence'. Well, if you think Pakistan was made for vested British interests, then youre most welcome to leave it, and go back to living in caves in Afghanistan, or youre not there already, stop your obession with Pakistan, and work for a prosperous Afghanistan.
Alright thanx for ur respected advice. And i am not living in Pakistan nor would i want to. I did live in Peshawar, Afghanistan. i never make any difference among my Pathans, so for me these two western provinces were like a part of my land.
Regards
Proud Aryan
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Alright thanx for ur respected advice. And i am not living in Pakistan nor would i want to. I did live in Peshawar, Afghanistan. i never make any difference among my Pathans, so for me these two western provinces were like a part of my land.
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Check the maps chanda, Peshawar is in Pakistan. There was a plebiscite on this question a long time ago when it was decided ok? Ok. Back to the caves.....