Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

I see people are learning from the master and changing their trump. :hehe:

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

so they did it! 2-1 ... :D

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

I beg to differ....

During his 91, where he looked like ONLY batsman who was playing to win....I agreed he lost his wicket with ROB...But he has been getting way toooooo much of -ive attention for that and the fact that "your fixer" spent rest of time sitting in stairs of the dressing room...visibly disturbed and showing some rom remorse about his actions makes me put him higher than Captain who for last 4 years have been every time When runs are needed

  • Either moves 3 feet down the leg stump to “Go for the big hit” or shuffles across the off stump to beat the sheet out of the ball ONLY to
  • Defend the ball back to bowler OR tap the ball to point OR Miss it altogether AND THEN, he looks at the non-striker batsman and smiles and shakes his head in a slight disbelief, looks at non striker again and tried to imply that “Can you believe how lucky is this cricket ball…I was just about to smack the seam of it and was about to break it into pieces”…Do you know the smile and the rest of the show that follows that I am talking about?

Gets labeled as a maverick, limited over specialist etc etc

Also UA is wayyyyy better than this other guy who has portrayed himself as the ONLY honest Pakistani cricketer who doesn’t care about captaincy, doesn’t care about fame, is the ONLY honest Pakistani cricket around who has country’s honor in his mind….Even though he knows he has been misfit for the LO cricket, retires from T20…ONLY to come back to play T20 and test match and NOT ONLY contributes to losses against tougher teams and difficult circumstances BUT ALSO ruin a chance for a young Pakistani who can be well suited for this format and can serve Pak for ages

I am not even going to talk about people like, Afridi and razaak this time….they have plenty of groupies….who don’t understand cricket (and some who I thought did understand cricket) to keep them alive on KK.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

^ So everyone who disagrees with your view does not understand cricket?

During his 91 ---- after how many mediocre scores and after having being dropped from the team for playing like Afridi. He gets negative attention because of the fact that his talent is much more than what he achieves, but that alone is not enough to keep him in team. Bottom line --- his record speaks for himself, talent alone is not enough, neither is faking injuries to keep his brother in the team. The team is more important than him or his brother. When he converts his talent into something approaching 10% of Inzi, Yoyo and other big players, than we can talk.

One 91 every other year is hardly something to crow about.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

And Nope because I love to have a good dialog about cricket and love someone who is capable of doing it, But everyone who does not agree with the facts that I present – and doesn’t present counter argument or brings counter facts, IS, in my (not so) humble opinion does not understand cricket.

Now lets dig into this once in 20 inning point that you have made and at the mediocre performances.

So the 20 innings prior to 91, start from this game

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/473925.html

where he came to bat at 150 at 37th over and scored 44 from 29 balls and helped almost doubling the score to 290+, may be not good enough for you for considering the circumstances so lets move 4 games ahead to this game

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433563.html

Comes into bat at around 35 over mark and again helps doubles the final total to 300+ with 71… while the senioristan were batting prior to Umar, they took 200+ balls to score 115 runs before Umar came to crease.. May be still not good enough for you so lets move two more games to epic encounter with Canada

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433574.html

Here he scores 48 out of 184…But I am sure you are not happy because it should have been 348 from umar, right?.. May be still not good enough for you so lets move two more games to face the minnow Australia.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433596.html

here hands down if it was not for his talent-less/injury faking batting which you claimed is afridi like….you would not have seen a victory against WC game in AUS with your spine-less (but according to you better than UA batting line up)…which is pretty much a once a generation event….Hmmmm…I am going to keep believing that it was not good enough of display for you and you would put it in your NOT good enough category for UA…so lets move couple of games later in Mohali….

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433605.html

I am not even going to say anything here…….

Lets go to 5 innings ahead….

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/507996.html

and here he came to bat end of 38th over and needed 90+ runs to win in next 12 overs…..I don’t think I need to remind you about the wicket condition and weather…on if it makes easier for bowlers or batsman as it is not far from your neck of the woods…But I do know that I would not have put my money on Moyo and Inzi to win it for Pak at that point under those circumstances…and I have been following Inzi’s career before he became Inzimam.

So aside from above examples….he has ONLY one score of less than 10 in his 20 innings prior to 91….so I guess you are right about his mediocre displays, he probably cant even spell the word consistency.

Your bolded part is the perhaps the only blemish in his career (and perhaps the root-cause of your feelings about him)…….and that TOO was never proven…no player/official from Aussie tour came out and said that UA actually faked an injury even when there was an inquiry after that tour and a senior/self-loving cricket even went into dirt-throwing at others that he said that players are interested in fielding at boundary line so that they can get a good view of aussie girls…..Now if UA faked an injury, then how come no one and in particular this guy NOT reveled it? When this person and others were busy “Aik Doosrey Ki Patlounain Utaaaraney Main”

But I would still say if he is a fixer….ban him for the rest of his life so that others learn from it.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

I couldnt be bothered to dig stats for other players but the very players who you think, if anyone who praises them does not understand cricket, except yourself, have played many a innings which can be mentioned here just like the ones you have mentioned above.. Heck aridi is the highest hitter of sixes in ODI's. Now can we say that he is better than UA? As they say there are stats and there are stats and there are lies.

I do agree that guy has got talent, but unlike you I am not prepared to say he is Inzi, yoyo or even near to one of these guys. That is simply not understanding what batting and great batsmen are all about.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

UA has played 48 ODI's for Pak since 2009

scoring one century and that was in Aug 2009 against SL

10 matches in 2009 1 century
14 matches in 2010 highest score 67
24 matches in 2011, highest score 91 which he scored recently.

scored 9 50's during this period

He has talent but needs to convert it and become CONSISTENT before being considered the next Inzi or Yoyo

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

Ehsan Bhai,

you took one sentence out of my first response and asked me a question, i responded to that and also added my response to you trying to imply that UA has had mediocre performances in past 20 innings. You have chosen not to reply to that and instead went into a UA/Inzi/Moyo comparison.

I think that comparison is a separate topic,I am willing to discus that if you open a new thread but for now can you defend your claim of UA's mediocrity in past few innings prior to 91 after my response?

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

read post 167 and my point of lack of consistency will be hammered home. As for his talent I have never said he didnt have any. As for comparison with Inzi/yoyo first justify his record from the above post than we can talk and please no going forward 5 matches and than tracking back 3 matches and so on.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

Actually the post 165 completely dismisses the lack of consistency claim from you about UA (unless you are looking for a 100 from him every time he puts his pads on). It also responds to your "Player with useless innings prior to 91" claim. Can we please have you respond to post 165 in its entirety.

Actually i posted those games hoping that you are going to see that he aint as useless as you think and perhaps you will take you "faking injury/fixer tinted" glasses off. I still am willing to talk to you about UA/Inzi/Moyo comparison (PS: you keep calling him Yoyo...which is like blasphemous :)) if you open a new thread about it as discussing it here will derail your main argument that UA prior to 91 were un consistent and a good inning like 91 was once in 20 inning matter.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

I cant respond to 165 because you kept jumping around and picking and choosing matches you wanted to focus on instead of his entire career. Post 167 gives full stats and 48 matches and one century. Enough said. My point is that his talent doesnt justify one century in 48 matches, he is better than that and he has to settle down and produce that consistency.

PS: Another massive 2 runs today.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

I went through his last 20 innings because of your claim

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so if you are able to score 10-20 runs that will make you batting maestro like Inzamam?

Umar Akmal's last 20 matches average 38.88 while his overall average is 37.43 in 49 matches, but then again the 'average' doesn't speak much about games as is case of Inzamam or Yousuf. Its the ability to 'finish' a match, let Umar Akmal do it a few times for Pakistan then we can think that he may be Inzi's replacement otherwise even Taufeeq Umar or Imran Farhat sometimes show 'skills' of good batsmen.

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Re: Pakistan v Sri Lanka - 3rd ODI - 18th Nov 2011

Shoaib Malik :baribe: and Umar Akmal again no consistency :smack2: