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Thats sad. We need to keep the Hindu crimes against Muslims in the hearts of our youth.
See the problem with the Pakistani lower educational system is that people can’t read properly. Take Abdali for instance, if he only would have scrolled up and read that the saffronization agenda was defeated in 2002, he wouldn’t have cut and pasted an article from 2001. 
secondly, Turkoo here is misinformed after being told repeatedly of the same situation. This is the same guy that said that Rana Talwar was a Pakistani. 
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Same old ranting based on personal attacks!
Why don't you browse BJP's (which is the DOMINANT party in Hindi 'democracy' today), website TODAY - then let's see if saffronization's fantasy designs are "dead" or still harboured in the hearts of hindi leaders!. Unless the BJP website has not been updated since 2001! then the thrust of what is being mentioned here is true.
What do you think of renaming Bombay to Mumbai (named after Mumba devi - one of the polytheist dieties worshipped by the local inhabitants). Was the BJP correcting a twisted pronounciation (Bombay) or was it motivated by saffronization as well?
In fact I am the only Arab I think on this website (and I joined recently) - but there are SO many hindi people (many having posted well over 500 posts)! and they imply that Pakistanis' life is sad for going on and on about India in a Pakistan website!
But how sad are the tons of Hindi people who come to a Pakistan forum day after day after day trying to market a one-sided story???!
In fact the only sensible Hindi person I came across for this thread is cscraja.
Karina: I never implied that if Indians do something biased Pakistanis should engage in it too. I clearly said that removing biased stuff from Pakistan's system is good but then the process of enlightenment cannot stop at that - Pakistan cannot afford to forget key events in its history AND the current state of affairs - the anlaytical process must include what a neighbour which it has fought three wars with thinks about it.
Otherwise it'll be a situation of: out of the frying pan and in to the fire".
Besides, why should it bother Indians if Pakistan tried to balance its foreign policy portfolio : I say instead of having 90% India, 10% rest of the world, it should be 10% India and 90% rest of the world. It is strategic enough to embark on such an enterprise. So I feel it does not have to be a choice between two extremes:
(1) War, war and war with Hind.
(2) Love, love, love in the name of culture and economic development with Hind!
Surely one who ascribes to such notions is following an extremist mind-set?
But to break from this vicious circle of narrow-mindedness Pakistan finds itself today in (thankdspartly to the horribly passive leaderships it has had in this regard be they military or civilian), the first thing that will need to be done is to inform the masses that its not simply a choice of selecting how much India you want in your lives!. But judging from Indians' reactions to my post, one can only suspect that Indians are more concerned about what Pakistanis do and decide than on what India does! (I mean so MANY Indians on a Pakistan forum and perpetually airing their views on Pakistan politics, economics, even religion!!!) - come on - what if the Indian parliament is also pre-occupied with mispositioned priorities?
And you can see that most Pakistanis here don't even think much of my posts - so I feel that there is a genuine knowledge gap that needs to be endeavoured to filled in first. And this should be Pakistan's business - we can all air our views but surely you too can see the quality of responses evoked by Indians on this forum - it would raise a suspicion in any average person.
cscraja: that really is news to me that Jesus' grave is somewhere in Indian administered Kashmir? But thanks for informing me about what you read in Indian studies about this. I really don't know what Christians would have to say about this but anyway, I appreciate you shedding light on what IS in Indian books.
As far as my comment on Jinnah's potrayal in Hindi books is concerned: you did mention that his ideas are considered "wrong or misguided" by Indians but an Indian friend of mine from AMU (Aligar Muslim University in India) said to me that while explaining history to him in high school, his teacher mentioned to the ENTIRE CLASS that Jinnah was a shrewd, corrupt, and political animal who was over-ambitious and wanted simply to rule a country at any cost whatsoever and so that's why he ignited the flames of hatred!!!! Now you also know that this is totally silly - he had the backing of many Muslims of British India and in fact he had backing from a lot of Arab countries as well and that the process of Pakistan's creation was started well before Jinnah's political career.
Anyway, we both agree that there are different types of people in every society - just look at the different types of Indians who are on this forum!
a peninsular arab having an opinion (however ridiculous it might be) on education in south asia. god - now i have seen it all.
that really is news to me that Jesus' grave is somewhere in Indian administered Kashmir? But thanks for informing me about what you read in Indian studies about this. I really don't know what Christians would have to say about this but anyway, I appreciate you shedding light on what IS in Indian books. <<
read his post again, brotha. indians dont learn about this in their text books. however, gupshup has quite a few supporters of this theory - all of them pakistani.
i did history in high school in india not too long ago, and there is no mention of pakistan until we come to modern india. and even there, its just some boring chapter on south asia.
i think there should be a chapter on how the Uthman turks whipped pervy peninsular arab butt into shape. and also how only cruel wars and massacres could enslave the entire peninsula into one country under the house of Saud.
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queer: you're ignorance is pathetic - the Arabain peninsula has more than one country!.
Hmm..............3,000 plus posts by queer: a hindi who has 3,000 plus posts on a Pakistan website - aaaa...but I am not surprised.
As far as Arabia and the Ottoman Turks are concerned, I think Arabia did better than India when it comes to conquest attempts - India ended up a COLONY of Britain for 350 LONG YEARS - so I guess you need to do some reading. And if we go before that then, well............1,000 plus years of Muslim rule : so I guess Indian history books also taught you about the Muslim and Christian conquest of India.
Or were you not paying attention in class and busy cybering on Pakistani websites?????? or did you find those chapters "boring" as well?
O and as far as the use of derogatory language goes, I don't engage in it because my religion prohibits it. In fact I generally don't bother replying to such meaningless posts but then again I have tried to bring out something meaningful for others from this reply.
you are too kind. fact remains - india was ruled by hindus christians muslims sikhs. thats why we are all indians. watch and learn, it'll be educational given your barbarian background. :)
and please ask your horny kings to stop breeding so rapidly. yaar where is the sex ed? :)
lol! lol! lol! - so I suppose the European British did not colonize India!!!
they were co-rulers!!!hahahh!!!
what a loser!!!
lol!!! - a hindi giving lectures on breeding rapidly!!!
u should be a comedian! - your antics should not be restricted to members of this forum.
An Indian lecturing on breeding and sex education!!
Anyways, after this laugter, lets stick back to the posting - or maybe the point has already been made on this thread: good Pakistan to eradicate biased versions in your history; but watch out, don’t expect your neighbour to do the same and so be ready to face their pack of lies.
And please Pakistan, don’t follow your neighbour’s population control policies!!! otherwise your biggest export will become cheap software programmers and dancers!!!
hey speaking of dancers, i was at this arab joint last weekend, and this arab belly dancer was shakin all she had pretty good 
and speakin of exports, what does peninsular arabia export other than crude and suicide bombers? 
I was following this discussion and it was interesting to note the decpetions Indians come up with. Instead of answering the questions and some strong proofs of Hindutva, all I see is change of topic and just useless talk by the Indians.
Matsui! Hey! i did not realize you were so childish.
laeeq sweets,
indian text books are all pretty much written by socialist left winger historians - romila thapar, arjun dev, irfan habib - whom the hindutva monkeys hate.
even after 5 years of BJP rule, nought has changed in these text books. like matsui said, the whole hindutva agenda was shelved way back in 2001-2002, that was the only way for the BJP to hang onto a coalition govt.
^ I think the Indian mindset has changed. That is why BJP came into power, and Hindutva is BJP’s agenda. I think this might help:
http://www.bjp.org/history/htvintro-mm-1.htm
Not hard to understand! Its sad that India which has so much potential and the ability to do so much good in the region has changed to something about which no neighbour is happy. Why don’t you people accept the reality of Hindutva? Why this deception?
ok baba you know it all. now tell me why didnt the bjp, the ultimate hindu nazis, not "cleanse" the textbooks off "pro-muslim history"? why didnt they do anything about the babri masjid ram temple thing even though they were in full power at the center? hell, why didnt they even stop the govt hajj funding for muslims?
hindutva is so 2002. get over it. here comes the modern shining india.
2002.... huh... that a very very long time.
minime jaan, coming from a country which went from 100% pro-taliban to anti-taliban hosting bombers, all in less than 24 hrs flat with no goverment changes, one'd expect you to know 2 years as quite a long time for policies.
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Good one! . In fact I doubt the BJP has shed its ulterior motives - the possibility of all those people who were pursuing Hindutva (who by the way are at the core of the BJP and have POPULAR support amongst a large number of the 87% Hindus in India) having changed is remote indeed.
They have been subscribing to this ideology their entire lives and now you expect the world to believe that in 2 years they have given up on it just because of a coalition requirement? that's senseless.
But what they are doing is tactful manoeuvring -
So Pakistan should be also be tactful and cautious - that's my message and that's what's driven these Indians to all sort of derogatory language and senseless distraction tactics!
Go figure! .
Minime bhaijaan…this is the new India..I urge to to take advantage of the bon homie and go visit it . this is the land of subways with maglev, pharma companies that produce the best drugs and financial and IT companies that lead the world in innovation. relish it…enjoy it. Plus we have Bipasha Basu.
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well said :k:
I wonder if they will add something about 1971's events.
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"Did you know that Jesus Christ wandered the Himalayas and drew his inspiration from Hinduism? That a Hindu named Samundragupta built the Qutb Minar, originally known as Vishnu Sthambha? That the Taj Mahal was really a Hindu Temple known as Tejo-Mahalaya (Shiva's Palace)? That the Red Fort in Delhi was a Brahmin palace? Or that the largest Holocaust in history was perpetrated by Muslims against Hindus in India?
This is news to me. Probably is to most people. No, these are not extracts from a child's fable nor the impression of a lunatic few. These "historical truths" have been taught for many years at more than 22,000 Vidya Bharati schools operated by the Hindutva movement composed of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) also known as the World Hindu Council, Shiv Sena (Shiva's army) and the Bajrang Dal.
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Some clarifications
The Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan schools follow the curriculum of the NCERT called CBSE, and as such this is the same all over India, while I didnt study this syllabus I am familiar with the syullabus and the "historical Truths" you have mentioned do not appear in text books, if you disagree, feel free to provide examples such name and page of teh book....
Secondly, the link between these schools and the Hindutva Movement is not as simple as you make out.
While members of teh NHP etc may be meberes of the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan Board, they are not related, in fact the objective of the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan schools is to make students aware of the rich Hindu heritage in India aside from regular studies. Let me also add that these schools are highly respected and have a very good reputation as schools that impart character to its students.
Do not link it to the shameless people in the VHP and teh BJP
there is lot of non-tradtional theory of jesus in india