Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
Ah! if its not big bad ISI its punjab.. I wonder what or who is next? Shri Santa Clause... !!
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
If someone Sikh occupy some land of others , There should be no problem with anyone to go back into its limit . Are you not afraid the day when Saraikis and Bahawalpuris will be fighting like Baangalis and Balochs .
Ganon say mulk naheen bantay , Mulk muhabbat say bantay aur nah rehtay hain.
Main to khud aap aksar ki tarah Punjabi hoon Agar Taasab hota to AAp kay sath hota
Doosray mazloom Pakistanion kay sath nah hota .
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
yes.........someone tell me who broke the one unit pakistan into provinces.......anyone???
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
yes.........someone tell me who broke the one unit pakistan into provinces.......anyone???
Yes ,This was our army lead by General Yahya Khan .
Perhaps 1st July 1970.
*Bahawalpur was occupied that day after 600 years .
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Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
Who said I’m Punjabi ? I’m not a Punjabi at all and please you should not hide ur identity. I’m from Bahawalpur and I know about my area, ppl and leaders more then you and we only Love Pakistan and proud to be called Pakistani 
Uncle Muhabaata par yaad aaya kissi ghar ka bachanay kay liye kissi aik Bhai ko apna zaraf bara karna parta hay aur aap key tarah lathi lay kar kissi kay peechay naheen par jaya kartay!
Agar hum apnay Mulk ko apnay ghar key tarah samjhain to kabhi aisi baat nah karin! Leekan afsoos Taa’sub nay logoon ka andha kar dia hay main unn kay haq main sirf aur sirf dua he kar sakta hoon 
PS: agar ganoon say mulk naheen bantay to Sobai Taa’sub ko bhi hawa dainay say mulk naheen bantay :cobra:
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
Very well said, i was born in Faisalabad but my dad’s whole family is from a town called Minchanabad (Bahawalpur), haven’t seen anyone hating Pakistan, Punjabis or anything like that. People like AP use South Punjab to criticise all Punjabis, as if they really care about South Punjabis.
We need to be Pakistanis first and obviously it’s hard for some people.
Pakistan’s problem is not Punjab but it’s lack of education, bad governance, corruption etc. Show me how Sindhis, Pashtuns, Balochis etc are any different to Punjabis?? All are corrupt, all lack education(except probably Urdu speaking people), all use influence to take advantage of poor people and many more things are common.
Punjab is blamed for everything just because majority of population is Punjabi, an average citizen in every province is as bad as others.
Do we seriously think anything would have been different if majority of our population was Sindhi, Balochi or Pashtuns?
It would have been exactly how it is now because of bad governance, corruption etc.
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
..So why were 10 lac Punjabis sacrificed in 47 ..... Period.
the 3rd June 47's partition committee had 10 members , no Bengali and only One Sikh representing the Sikhs of Punjab , Punjab which was a province that was conquered by the Biritsh in 1849 , the last one to Fall ,in a series of British Conquests that started in 1757 after Siraj ud daula's Fall .
Post 47 , Punjab entered an ERA of Cultural Colonization , read Ayaz Mir article again ...!! he does mentions the dilemma Punjabis faced ....should they Own their own rich cultural past that stretched back 5000-6000 years , of which Harrapa civilization , and Indus Saraswati civilization and Vedic Civilzation was a part...?? should they forget Poros , that nearly defeated Alaxander ....?? and the Lion hearted man , even errected a Mural at Taxila University depicting his own defeat , so that future generation might not distort history .....? or should they embrace what the Muslim Invaders brought .... Remember Babur defeated Sikander Lodhi , who himself was a Muslim...!!
in 1936's election , they decided to Keep their past with them ,and Muslim Leaque aka Nawabi Leaque won only 2 seats out of 84 .....
after this shamfull defeat by a party which claimed to be the sole representaives of Muslims in Muslim majority area , .....these vested interests changed tactics , they brought in Religion and Language , and sowed the seeds of communal ism in Punjab , and managed to get the Sinking Artificial Feudal Structure , that was erected by the British to control the Population of Punjab ,to their side , After Jinnah-Sikandar Pact , and to ensure a positive results , conditioned the 46's election to be based on Land holding , ......ie only those who had some Land in the land were allowed to vote , .....thus ensuring the feudal-nawabs alliance to succeed .....and Spin doctored a propaganda so effective the 10 lac Punjabis were Killed in 47 .....especially after some one killed the mother of Master Tara Singh in Pindi , that ensured a voilent reaction from the Sikhs , who were actually in consultation with Jinnah , at that time , and a point of no return.
and Punjabi were hoodwinked to go the other way , that is forget their rich glorious and thousands of years old heritage , and entered and ERA that I call Cultural Colonization ......Period.
...though this twist was actually started by the British , after they defeated Ranjit Singh and Introduced URDU , a manufactured language of Fort William College Calcutta , and were so successfull that Allama Iqbal a Punjabi did not wrote a single word in Punjabi , and later was given as a LOLIPOP present to the Punjabis for their sacrifices in 47 , after 51 , when he was introduced in the sllybus as " Pakistan ka khwab " deykhney wala Poet.
..there is an incident , After Tagore the Bengali won the Nobel Prize some one asked him why didn't Allama won it , despite being nominated 3-4 times for it , Allama presumly said , I did not had a developed language , which is strange as Punjabi is among those few languages in which a religious book is written ,along with Latin ,Hebrew and Arabic ] ....and Tagore said , yes I develped my Language ...and its in recognation for that effot.
Punjabis are still unaware of the swindle they were done , they are still hesitant to accept Bulley Shan , Mian Mir, Guru Nanak , incidently Garanth Pak contains a lot of Muslim sufi materal in it ] and a lot of other Sufi and humanists who rose above the narrow confines of a religion , they abondoned their language , their culture , Lost their land , lost 10 lacs of them , ....and Post 47 , Sapta Sindhu that was later Panj-Nad , the Land of 5 Rivers , is left as a Land of 2 and a Half river Only , after Sindh - Tass agreement , and one of its residents , that is the Sikhs , are now a nations who has their Ka'aaba in One country and Madina in another country , and slowly and gradually adopting " HIndabi " , with the Sanskratization of their Language , by the way , Sankrit too was a Language from earlier OLD Punjabi Prakrit , when Panini wrote its grammar , way way back ,when Aryans came here and brought with them the Vedic Culture , ...any way to cut short ..... Its time Punjabis start realizing what has happened to them , and where do they stand Now .....!!
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
^ good informative post, but as far as a million people killed during the partition is concerned, the main reason was the division of Punjab. The punjab as a whole should have come in Punjab as even the undivided province would have had Muslims over 70%.
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
^but half the punjab has caused so much damage and destruction to pakistan…imagine what a full punjab would’ve done :no:
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
Please enlighted US , of the damage Punjab has caused…
I have with me the list , of PM’s ,COAS’s and Presidents of Pakistan, the three power triokas , and I have found very few , 2-3 in the lists of about 14-16 from each …
and I am posting them for anyone to review..
**List of Governor Generals **
1- Muhammad Ali Jinnah (1876–1948) 5 August 1947 11 September 1948
2- Sir Khawaja Nazimuddin (1894–1964) 14 September 1948 17 October 1951
3- Malik Ghulam Muhammad (1895–1956) 17 October 1951 6 October 1955
4- Iskander Mirza (1899–1969) 6 October 1955 23 March 1956
**List of COAS’s **
1- General Sir Frank Messervy August 15, 1947 – February 10, 1948
2- General Sir Douglas Gracey February 11, 1948 – January 16, 1951
3- Field Marshal Muhammad Ayub Khan January 16, 1951 – October 26, 1958
4- General Muhammad Musa October 27, 1958 – June 17, 1966
5- General Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan June 18, 1966 – December 20, 1971
6- Lieutenant General Gul Hassan Khan December 20, 1971 – March 3, 1972
7- General Tikka Khan March 3, 1972 – March 1, 1976 12 Artillery
8- General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq March 1, 1976 – August 17, 1988
9- General Mirza Aslam Beg August 17, 1988 – August 16, 1991
10-General Asif Nawaz August 16, 1991 – January 8, 1993
11-General Abdul Waheed January 11, 1993 – January 12, 1996
12- General Jehangir Karamat January 12, 1996 – October 6, 1998
13- General Pervez Musharraf October 6, 1998 – November 28, 2007
14- General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani November 29, 2007 –
**List of Presidents **
1-Iskander Mirza (1899–1969) 23 March 1956 27 October 1958
2-Ayub Khan (1907–1974) 27 October 1958 25 March 1969
3-Yahya Khan (1917–1980) 25 March 1969 20 December 1971
4-Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (1928–1979) 20 December 1971 13 August 1973
5-Fazal Ilahi Chaudhry (1904–1982) 13 August 1973 16 September 1978
6-Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1924–1988) 16 September 1978 17 August 1988
7-Ghulam Ishaq Khan (1915–2006) 17 August 1988 18 July 1993
7a-Wasim Sajjad (Acting) (1941–) 18 July 1993 14 November 1993
8-Farooq Leghari (1940–2010) 14 November 1993 2 December 1997
8a-Wasim Sajjad (Acting) (1941–) 2 December 1997 1 January 1998
9-Muhammad Rafiq Tarar (1929–) 1 January 1998 20 June 2001
10-Pervez Musharraf (1943–) 20 June 2001 18 August 2008
10a-Muhammad Mian Soomro (Acting) (1950–) 18 August 2008 9 September 2008
11-Asif Ali Zardari (1955–) 9 September 2008 Incumbent as upto 2011
**
List of Prime ministers **
1- Liaquat Ali Khan (1896–1951) 14 August 1947 16 October 1951
2- Sir Khawaja Nazimuddin (1894–1964) 17 October 1951 17 April 1953
3- Muhammad Ali Bogra (1909–1963) 17 April 1953 12 August 1955
4- Chaudhry Muhammad Ali (1905–1980) 12 August 1955 12 September 1956
5- Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy (1892–1963) 12 September 1956 17 October 1957
6- Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar (1898–1968) 17 October 1957 16 December 1957
7- Sir Feroz Khan Noon (1893–1970) 16 December 1957 7 October 1958
Post Abolished (7 October 1958-7 December 1971)
8- Nurul Amin (1893–1974) 7 December 1971 20 December 1971
Post Abolished (20 December 1971-14 August 1973)
9- Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (1928–1979) 14 August 1973 5 July 1977
Post Abolished (5 July 1977-24 March 1985)
10- Muhammad Khan Junejo (1932–1993) 24 March 1985 29 May 1988
Post Abolished (29 May 1988-2 December 1988)
11- Benazir Bhutto (1953–2007) 2 December 1988 6 August 1990
11A- Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi (1931–2009 ) 6 August 1990 6 November 1990 Caretaker
12- Nawaz Sharif (1949– ) 6 November 1990 18 April 1993
12A- Balakh Sher Mazari (1928– ) 18 April 1993 26 May 1993 Caretaker
(12)- Nawaz Sharif (1949– ) 26 May 1993 18 July 1993
12B- Moeenuddin Ahmad Qureshi (1930– ) 18 July 1993 19 October 1993 Caretaker
(11)- Benazir Bhutto (1953–2007) 19 October 1993 5 November 1996
11B- Malik Meraj Khalid (1916–2003) 5 November 1996 17 February 1997 Caretaker
(12)- Nawaz Sharif (1949– ) 17 February 1997 12 October 1999
Post Abolished (12 October 1999-21 November 2002)
13- Zafarullah Khan Jamali (1944– ) 21 November 2002 26 June 2004
14- Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain (1946– ) 30 June 2004 20 August 2004
15- Shaukat Aziz (1949– ) 20 August 2004 16 November 2007
15A- Muhammad Mian Soomro (1950– ) 16 November 2007 25 March 2008
16- Yousaf Raza Gillani (1952– ) 25 March 2008— Incumbent
… Period
Let us start by acknowledging the truths and speaking the truths First .
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
Pakistan did not became a sovereign nation untill 23 March 56 , it had a Governor General , hence under British Dominion till then , ....and the last state to join it was Swat ,probably in 1969 or so ....
correct me if I am wrong.
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
^bhai g i was voicing the sentiments of our PPPPP brothers.........
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
^^^^^^
tum kya ppp ke pupharh lagay howay ho?:)
Re: Pakistan’s Punjab Problem
^nahi..........allah maaaf karay....... iss se barh kar kisi insaan ki kya badqismati ho sakti hai k woh pppp ka phupphar banay....:)