Yo! Great news. I have only one problem with the article quoted by outlaw
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Originally posted by outlaw: Dear Sabah, IOQC Moody is basically an audit firm which issues ceritification of quality and standard. POF approached IOQC and requested for an audit so it can adverise itself as an elite arms and ammunition manufacturer. POF has been granted its desired status after a detailed audit.
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Now, my question is, doesn't POF manufacture classified weaponery, missiles and ammunition. Or do they only prepare run-of-the-mill arms and ammunitions? This question is important, because as I know first-hand ISO audits require detailed inspection of all the premises, systems and machines. Shouldn't POF be conducting these audits from a Pakistani company, if at all.
I am sure any of the major ammunition manufacturers of USA will ever allow any non-US to audit their premises. Why did POF allow that or indeed invited such an audit? If their purpose is to tap the export market, then some other option should have been explored.
O.k.. jitnney moon utni battey, so here's my two cents..
Pakistan needs to promote the infrastrutcture which develops these "basic" necessities for the country. I think we should follow suit with US where the private sector develops the prototypes to win military contracts. Companies like Lockheed, TRW, Boeing et al work with the US army to develop the needed hardware. Pakistan needs to prmote such infrastructure. I think they have one or two small manufacturers which is a step towards the right direction I am talking about...
Granted that weapon menufacturing is a proprietary industry for each nation, I think you're comaping apples and oranges here. US arms industry has already established itself in the international market with enormous influence on the world scence since WWII. US sells and "donates" its military hardware all over thr globe and has been doing so for decades. Its technology has been time-tested and thus can be relied upon for meeting quality standards.
Pakistan, on the other hand, is a "new kid on the block." It needs external "unbiased" certification to sell products in the international market. I don;t think it would be wise to use a domestic auditor to gauge its quality for international customer. Sorta like auditing yourself on the financial market eh?!
Ok, if you feel that we need "unbiased" (hehehehe) British and US (and God knows what) people going through our sensitive defence manufacturing installations, so that we can sell our products to the international markets, then be it. I don't think any Pakistani will be quite comfortable with this idea. Defence products are not like your usual run of the mill business.
Next some one might advocate that Qadeer Research Laboritories and Atomic Energy Commission of Pakistan should also get ISO certificaton for quality, huh? The idea is quite ludicrous.
By the way, all the handful local ISO certification companies are all affiliates of foreign multinationals and their certifications are as good as Moody, SGS, or anyone.
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Originally posted by ghalib: Pakistan needs to promote the infrastrutcture which develops these "basic" necessities for the country. I think we should follow suit with US where the private sector develops the prototypes to win military contracts. Companies like Lockheed, TRW, Boeing et al work with the US army to develop the needed hardware. Pakistan needs to prmote such infrastructure.
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Agreed, 100%. However the US private sector defence contractors are notorious for wastage and kick-backs. I wonder if such industries start in Pakistan, what will be the rate of kick-backs. Atleast Pakistani money will stay with Pakistanis...Just a thought.
I don't think any Pakistani will be quite comfortable with this idea. Defence products are not like your usual run of the mill business.
Depends on which defence product you're talking about. Pakistan is not marketing hi-tech products like laser guided bombs, Patriot Missles or other what-not. These are artillary rounds, mortar bombs and "low-cost anti-tank weapons" whose designs are not very secret given that every country own variations of these products.
Next some one might advocate that Qadeer Research Laboritories and Atomic Energy Commission of Pakistan should also get ISO certificaton for quality, huh? The idea is quite ludicrous.
It sure is ludicrous. Some might advocate but then again some in the US advocate that US should disclose all its secret testing done on weapons and its workers' exposure to biohazards. Does that mean it will be done?No country allows external, heck even internal, intervention in their "prime" military projects and Kahota is not your "usual run of the mill business."
I don't think any Pakistani will be quite comfortable with this idea.
Just scroll up, you'll find about five or six Pakistanis who have no problems with this..
CM,
I guess your reply is for hk.I totally agree with you.We pakistanis should be bold and not take such behaviour from anybody,especially not anybody from any country that has nuclear weapons themselves.
There is no reason for us to feel inferior or apologetic.
In my family we have always gone in the army and in every generation there is someone who joins the PAK ARMY So we know what them boys are doing for our country. Allah give the Gazis strength because they fight in your name PAKISTAN ZINDABAD